Dont you hate other clans that are fighting/insulting your clan?? thats the beauty of being a somali..
Maalis are doomed to hate each other.
[/quote]What point are you trying to get across aside from your witty sarcasm?
Mohammed Abdulle Hasssan. Why he hated "Somali"
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Ironman, No one knows whether he was fighting for Somalis or for his own ends: Spreading Saalixiya and its conversion. He even hated Qaadiriya and all other religious sects.
My point, he regarded Somalis as his enemies and despite using Dervish to call himself, he prohibited his followers to address themsevesl as Somalis but Dervishes. Thus, he held in contempt "Somali" as a name. Do you disagree?
My point, he regarded Somalis as his enemies and despite using Dervish to call himself, he prohibited his followers to address themsevesl as Somalis but Dervishes. Thus, he held in contempt "Somali" as a name. Do you disagree?
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Galdiator,
Few somali know the fact you just brought up, the Dverish or so called Daraawiish were basically a relgious sect to begin with, their major concern at beging was purely religious revival, they regarded the Qaadiriya sect as morally Corrupt, the Saaxliya baned even consuming "baddhi' the fat drank by most nomdas as laxative. Sheekh Ismaaciil Isxaaq the head of the Saalxiya the mentore of the Mullah even regarded the Qaadiriya as hertics.
The Deverish never regarded themselves as Somalis, their first and for most national identity was " Daraawiish Al Saalxiya" and their Sudanes cult master was their little prophet in Mecca.
The Mullah always maintaned that he wasn't a somali, nor a Daarood but just a member of the Daraawiish Al Saalxliya. His letter to the Gadhweyn tribe in Ceerigaabo in 1913 is an obvious example where he pleads with the Gahdweyn not to abandon the movement.
The common meyth and fantasy is that the Darwwiish were fighting for Somalinimo, that term was scorned upon by the Devrish their called all their opponent from the Qaadiriya and almost 98% of Somalis " somalis" as a deragotory term.
And last but not least their even war cry and war mantra was " Sheekh..saalax..sheekh saalax" not Allaahu Akbar
Few somali know the fact you just brought up, the Dverish or so called Daraawiish were basically a relgious sect to begin with, their major concern at beging was purely religious revival, they regarded the Qaadiriya sect as morally Corrupt, the Saaxliya baned even consuming "baddhi' the fat drank by most nomdas as laxative. Sheekh Ismaaciil Isxaaq the head of the Saalxiya the mentore of the Mullah even regarded the Qaadiriya as hertics.
The Deverish never regarded themselves as Somalis, their first and for most national identity was " Daraawiish Al Saalxiya" and their Sudanes cult master was their little prophet in Mecca.
The Mullah always maintaned that he wasn't a somali, nor a Daarood but just a member of the Daraawiish Al Saalxliya. His letter to the Gadhweyn tribe in Ceerigaabo in 1913 is an obvious example where he pleads with the Gahdweyn not to abandon the movement.
The common meyth and fantasy is that the Darwwiish were fighting for Somalinimo, that term was scorned upon by the Devrish their called all their opponent from the Qaadiriya and almost 98% of Somalis " somalis" as a deragotory term.
And last but not least their even war cry and war mantra was " Sheekh..saalax..sheekh saalax" not Allaahu Akbar
^^you are tribalist Xplaya which coincides with your conflicting incompatible attitudes toward Daarood heroes.
The question raised by Mr. Gladiator is biased. Gladiator is overlooking all his achievements over something trivial that Sayid Mohamed did. I concur with Sayid's ordinary view of that time. We were not a state but a conglameration of tribes that are scattered over all places. Somalia and its nationalist sentiment was "alien" to us. His branding phisolophically and religiously is justified.
The question raised by Mr. Gladiator is biased. Gladiator is overlooking all his achievements over something trivial that Sayid Mohamed did. I concur with Sayid's ordinary view of that time. We were not a state but a conglameration of tribes that are scattered over all places. Somalia and its nationalist sentiment was "alien" to us. His branding phisolophically and religiously is justified.
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Gladiator,
Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xasan was a true Somali Nationalist, A dedicated anti colonialist, and an outstanding leader who rallied the Somali people under the flag of Islam to defy the English and Italian colonizers.
You should know better than to doubt the Sayid's pride in his Somali roots. The Sayid, like all Somalis, possessed a fierce and fervent pride in the culture, religion, literature and ways of the Somali people. Instilled him from a young age by the man who taught him the warrior code and martial arts of the Somalis: his maternal grandfather, the feared Cali Geri Dhulbahante warrior and poet Seed Magan who took the young Sayid under his wing.
Nimaan diinta aafo u gelayn aakhiruu sebenka
Oon gaalka ooradu ku taal u askarahaynin
Nimaan ABUURKA SOOMAALIYEED ka anfitaagaynin
Nimanyohow aqoonxumadu waa ardaalnimo e
Ninkii aynigaa lagu yaqaan sow Islaan ma aha
Sayid Maxamed in this excerpt elevates the culture and ways of the Somalis to the level of our religion by insisting that the person who holds on fast to the culture of the Somali is the true muslim.
In his eyes, the man who embraced the Darwiish cause was the embodiment of the ideal Somali manhood: An ascetic warrior fighting against the odds against the alien infidels who came to subjugate and enslave the Somalis. In this respect the Darwiish came to occupy a higher and more exalted status than all the other Somalis who either remained neutral in this conflict out of selfish interest or the truly revolting ones like Muuse Igarre who became the slaves of the English and helped in the conquest of their land by alien forces.
The Darwiishes had names for the various Somali factions opposed to them:
Rayad = the followers of the English.
Gadhcas, the subjects of Boqor Cismaan
Dhabayaco, the subjects of the Kingdom of Cali Yuusuf(Cumar maxamuud, Leylkase, Mareexaan, hawiye)
Daraawiish, the Heroes of the Anti Colonial Struggle to free Somalia
The poem you quote is the one he composed he composed in praise of the Dhulbahante,
Hawa beena Soomaalidaa hadafka raacdaa leh
Hadal ruma daraawiish iyo weli hanuunaa leh
Ragga diinta hoyga u noqdiyo hanad Shirshooraa leh
Vain are the ambitions of those Unprincipled Somalis
Righteous and True are the words of the Dervishes and the Saints
A conquering hero is to be found among the ranks of Shirshoore
The Men under whose wing the Faith has found Shelter
Shirshoore = Most Numerous of the branches of the Dhulbahante.
Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xasan was a true Somali Nationalist, A dedicated anti colonialist, and an outstanding leader who rallied the Somali people under the flag of Islam to defy the English and Italian colonizers.
You should know better than to doubt the Sayid's pride in his Somali roots. The Sayid, like all Somalis, possessed a fierce and fervent pride in the culture, religion, literature and ways of the Somali people. Instilled him from a young age by the man who taught him the warrior code and martial arts of the Somalis: his maternal grandfather, the feared Cali Geri Dhulbahante warrior and poet Seed Magan who took the young Sayid under his wing.
Nimaan diinta aafo u gelayn aakhiruu sebenka
Oon gaalka ooradu ku taal u askarahaynin
Nimaan ABUURKA SOOMAALIYEED ka anfitaagaynin
Nimanyohow aqoonxumadu waa ardaalnimo e
Ninkii aynigaa lagu yaqaan sow Islaan ma aha
Sayid Maxamed in this excerpt elevates the culture and ways of the Somalis to the level of our religion by insisting that the person who holds on fast to the culture of the Somali is the true muslim.
In his eyes, the man who embraced the Darwiish cause was the embodiment of the ideal Somali manhood: An ascetic warrior fighting against the odds against the alien infidels who came to subjugate and enslave the Somalis. In this respect the Darwiish came to occupy a higher and more exalted status than all the other Somalis who either remained neutral in this conflict out of selfish interest or the truly revolting ones like Muuse Igarre who became the slaves of the English and helped in the conquest of their land by alien forces.
The Darwiishes had names for the various Somali factions opposed to them:
Rayad = the followers of the English.
Gadhcas, the subjects of Boqor Cismaan
Dhabayaco, the subjects of the Kingdom of Cali Yuusuf(Cumar maxamuud, Leylkase, Mareexaan, hawiye)
Daraawiish, the Heroes of the Anti Colonial Struggle to free Somalia
The poem you quote is the one he composed he composed in praise of the Dhulbahante,
Hawa beena Soomaalidaa hadafka raacdaa leh
Hadal ruma daraawiish iyo weli hanuunaa leh
Ragga diinta hoyga u noqdiyo hanad Shirshooraa leh
Vain are the ambitions of those Unprincipled Somalis
Righteous and True are the words of the Dervishes and the Saints
A conquering hero is to be found among the ranks of Shirshoore
The Men under whose wing the Faith has found Shelter
Shirshoore = Most Numerous of the branches of the Dhulbahante.
Cilmiile, Dhabayaco has been unfairly applied to Majeerteen. If Hawiye and Mareexan and Leelkase are all Dhabayaco, why the MJ took the epithet title?
Who was the Dhullos man who collected most of Sayid's poems. Is it true also he unfairly gave many peoms to the Sayid that belonged to poets of other clans. I heard, "Daanyeerku meeshuusan marin dani ma jeexsiisey" was composed by a Dishiishle poet when the Dervish were defeated. There are other poems that were stolen by the Dhulbahante man who loved Sayid extremely high.
Who was the Dhullos man who collected most of Sayid's poems. Is it true also he unfairly gave many peoms to the Sayid that belonged to poets of other clans. I heard, "Daanyeerku meeshuusan marin dani ma jeexsiisey" was composed by a Dishiishle poet when the Dervish were defeated. There are other poems that were stolen by the Dhulbahante man who loved Sayid extremely high.
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You are speaking of the great historian Sheekh Jaamac Cumar Ciise, the great archivist and chronichler of the Darwiish movement.
I dont think he misattributed any poems of Dashiishe or any others.
In fact that poem you wrote up there doesnt appear anywhere in his works. And I have all his books on the darwiish movement.
And yes, They are all Dhabayaco, the inhabitants of Mudug and galgaduud.
I dont think he misattributed any poems of Dashiishe or any others.
In fact that poem you wrote up there doesnt appear anywhere in his works. And I have all his books on the darwiish movement.
And yes, They are all Dhabayaco, the inhabitants of Mudug and galgaduud.
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Cilmiile
Your points are well taken and internalized . The imperial writers have, in all likelihood, distorted his history with an aim to diapprove his place in Somali nationalism. Do you have any doubts about the authenticity of that letter?
Xplaya , that is what I was thinking but can you refute the peom presented by Cilmiile. I agree with you on the sectarian differences.
Oo aan Abuurka Soomaliyeed ka antifaagayn.
"Sayid Maxamed in this excerpt elevates the culture and ways of the Somalis to the level of our religion "
Answer me, Did he ever call himself a "Somali"? I agree he never despised his origin and ways. He was a poet after all who exceled in Somali culture and traditional terms.
Absame, It is all about enquiry and i am not biased.
Your points are well taken and internalized . The imperial writers have, in all likelihood, distorted his history with an aim to diapprove his place in Somali nationalism. Do you have any doubts about the authenticity of that letter?
Xplaya , that is what I was thinking but can you refute the peom presented by Cilmiile. I agree with you on the sectarian differences.
Oo aan Abuurka Soomaliyeed ka antifaagayn.
"Sayid Maxamed in this excerpt elevates the culture and ways of the Somalis to the level of our religion "
Answer me, Did he ever call himself a "Somali"? I agree he never despised his origin and ways. He was a poet after all who exceled in Somali culture and traditional terms.
Absame, It is all about enquiry and i am not biased.
Yes highclass, walahi the italiens were wonderful to us, they favoured us more than the daroods, the most educated somalis were from Haber Gider that were given free scholarships to top italien universites.
Yeah we fought 4 italy and we even fought for italy against ethiopia when meusalini invaded half that country, thanks to Haber Gider cavarly.
Yeah we fought 4 italy and we even fought for italy against ethiopia when meusalini invaded half that country, thanks to Haber Gider cavarly.
[quote="Cilmiile"]You are speaking of the great historian Sheekh Jaamac Cumar Ciise, the great archivist and chronichler of the Darwiish movement.
I dont think he misattributed any poems of Dashiishe or any others.
In fact that poem you wrote up there doesnt appear anywhere in his works. And I have all his books on the darwiish movement.
And yes, They are all Dhabayaco, the inhabitants of Mudug and galgaduud.[/quote]
Yes Sheikh Cumar Ciise. I heard he distributed his books to Puntland high and middle schools. He is indeed a national treasure.
I dont think he misattributed any poems of Dashiishe or any others.
In fact that poem you wrote up there doesnt appear anywhere in his works. And I have all his books on the darwiish movement.
And yes, They are all Dhabayaco, the inhabitants of Mudug and galgaduud.[/quote]
Yes Sheikh Cumar Ciise. I heard he distributed his books to Puntland high and middle schools. He is indeed a national treasure.
Candhoole,
If your Mullah was so proud of his Somalinimo and hated the English so much was was he begging from them?/ asking them for presents of all kinds?
Let me quote his later to Sweyne:
Sixthly, we desire from you that you are with us in every way, even with assistance and support against our enemies, at any time; we will be with you like that. We also ask from you kind and gentle treatment and presents of all kinds and variety as your generosity and rank allow. We take pleasure in all that you asked from me. This [is what I have to say] and [I conclude] peace.
We also ask from you kind and gentle treatment and presents of all kinds and variety as your generosity and rank allow
"You should know better than to doubt the Sayid's pride in his Somali roots"?
So much for his Somali pride,
If your Mullah was so proud of his Somalinimo and hated the English so much was was he begging from them?/ asking them for presents of all kinds?
Let me quote his later to Sweyne:
Sixthly, we desire from you that you are with us in every way, even with assistance and support against our enemies, at any time; we will be with you like that. We also ask from you kind and gentle treatment and presents of all kinds and variety as your generosity and rank allow. We take pleasure in all that you asked from me. This [is what I have to say] and [I conclude] peace.
We also ask from you kind and gentle treatment and presents of all kinds and variety as your generosity and rank allow
"You should know better than to doubt the Sayid's pride in his Somali roots"?
So much for his Somali pride,
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