Muslim in this forum hulp Kamal35& Grant find a Gay-Imam

[Cawar]

Grant and Kamal

Lets not get emotional over some biased reports..


"Muslims could face a child abuse scandal on a par with the Catholic Church, a report has warned".


This quote alone is suffucient to create doubts that not only has there been no proven cases let alone any substantial eveidence as to what it alleges..


And :

"A group of Muslim leaders says the community is in denial about child abuse in religious schools, known as madrasas. The UK has about 700".

Who are these leaders?? and they lead and rapresent who???


However, that deosnt mean there is no single case in the history of muslim schools where abuse might have happened...but to actually compare it to church abuses or put in the same scale of....is just quite outrageous..

And more imp....most of the abuses(if ever)...like 99.9999% of them are physical abuses...like whipping a little boy when he cannot recite or memorize a verse etc...and that has become some sort of an abuse in today's society where it wasnt looked as an abuse just some 10 or 20 yrs ago...even in the west..it was looked as and even by the parents as disciplining the kid...am I right?? I am sure Grant and even you Kamal would agree with me on this..

So plz...dont buy anything you read in the internet as the word of God..I could write some BS right now...and there will be some who might believe whatever is that I write or allege..to have happened.

[Ashlee~]

Cawar jalatooow is right


Muslim abuse is physical not sexual. The macaliin dugsi beats you up with a bambo stick and I've been hit with one from an idian sheik to a somali sheik

[Kamal35]

Cawar: no problem here, mate. Completly agree.

But my point is not that, but there isn't a world in black & white. It seems that the black world in which everything is corruption, abuses, violence, etc is the West world while the world in which everything is perfect and clean is the Islamic world.

As I said, abuses -both sexual or physical- happen in all sides. Corruption and pervertion can be seen in the Western world and in the muslim world. Christianity also rejects homosexuality, but homosexuality happens in Christianity (on other hand, why homosexuality is a problem?).

What's shocking here is the hipocresy of those ones who preach chastity and honesty and they're the first ones on practising the opposite. Since I hate the theologians, specially the christian ones, long time ago, I know they're capable of those and other -even worse- things.

But I've also saw the stories of imams being caught in pervert practises or talking about how to beat your wife or that having sex with a 9 years old child is not a problem. That sounds really disgusting from my point of view.

PD: And yeah, you're alright. I usually was hardly beaten by the priests in the school when I made questions like: "If Lazarus were resucitated, where's he now?".

For me, all the priests can go to hell. The Vatican is the most corrupted State all over the world.

[Grant]

Guys,

Sorry to be such a pain in the tail, but I am having serious difficulty seeing this as a biased report. Please check out the website, again if necessary.

http://www.muslimparliament.org.uk/history.htm

"The Muslim Parliament – a historical background
Since its inception in 1992 the Muslim Parliament has concerned itself with the affairs of Muslims in Britain and abroad in a bold and forthright manner. It debates issues affecting Islam and Muslims, and champions their causes. Community action on this level is only feasible because the Parliament is an independent national forum on which all Muslims, irrespective of denomination or racial origin, can meet to pursue their common objectives.

The Muslim Parliament during its early days under the leadership of Dr Kalim Siddiqui, whose brain-child the Parliament was, opted for a high-profile, confrontational approach in its championing of Islamic causes. The need for a ‘Muslim Parliament’ arose out of the frustration felt at the time of The Satanic Verses controversy as well as a wider feeling that governmental and policy-making bodies were adopting indifferent and at times discriminatory policies toward Muslim pre-occupations. The idea was instead to empower Muslims with their separate and distinctly Islamic institutions to meet their needs independently of the British government and local authorities. It also sought to discourage Muslims from entering mainstream politics or even from voting in elections; rather, the focus of debate was the need to create a “non-territorial Islamic state” in Britain.

Admittedly, many of the objectives the Parliament had set itself were not met by the time of Dr Kalim Siddiqui’s premature death in 1996. Its new leader Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui (no relation, but a close associate) began to introduce reforms into how the Muslim Parliament was to operate and engage with its social and political environment. Out went the ideologically-driven thinking and in came a more consensual, pragmatic modus operandi. Predictably this led to disaffection in the ranks of Dr Kalim Siddiqui’s more ideological followers, some of whom seceded to form separate groups. The Muslim Parliament held the view that Muslim’s grievances were best met by building alliances with other Muslim organisations, grass-root and national, and – a radical move at the time – with non-Muslim groups entertaining similar welfare and civil rights objectives. A broader pro-justice movement was articulated, and Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui was one of the first Muslim leaders to work with and urge cooperation with dissident political parties, with groups concerned with justice, civil liberties and respect for the environment. This approach paid off in the aftermath of 9/11, when harassment of the Muslim individuals and groups created a wave of sympathy for what was widely perceived as a persecuted minority. Dr Siddiqui was closely involved in the formative stages of the Stop the War Coalition, which brought together Muslims and opponents of the war from different parts of the British political spectrum."

[Mosliima]

Cawar is right. Dont believe anything you read in the internet, so kamal and Grant accept the fact, which is you will not find those satanic acts in a Muslim world its un_islamic, unheard. not in a madrasas nor you find Imam acting like this rabbi http://www.nbc4.com/news/5254495/detail.html

Fear of Allah, fear of God's punishment is what makes Imam different then Rabbi, Priest, Monk etc and Christian clergy who believe he will go to heaven anyway coz jezus have take his sin away. moehahaha

[Grant]

Shakes head. Bites tongue. Mumbles something about true believers not even looking at the evidence. Gets back to work on new teeth for lady who wants to look nice and will pay money.

[gurey25]

Well ofcourse there is no doubt, some supposed imam, or koran teacher will do the deed, hey shit happens what can you say.
We are all humans and all humans are capable of despicable evil.


The point is that sexual abuse incodents by authority figures in the muslim world would be a fraction of those under the catholic church , for the obvious reasons, celibacy cheifly..


i dont know whats getting people so riled up in this thread?