New Taliban Rules

[gurey25]

You guys may be overlooking Culture and Ignorance as Well.
If pederasty is a common practice in ones culture and you are ignorant of your own religous teachings what would you do.

I have spoken to quite a few who thought it was perfectly normal.
and xalaal.



ANd Grant no you are assuming that it is differant from the Greek Ideal,
I am telling you that is in the greek tradition.

It is common for parents to give thier male child to an older family friend, so that he could be educated , learn a craft etc etc....... but this is also a homo-erotic relationship in the tradition of Socrates and his pupils.

A brief look at afghani and persian Ghazal or love poems are attributed to
pretty young ghulams, and they are very affectionate poems.





and FYI the Theban scared band was famous for its millitary success,
but the theban success can be attributed to the General Epaminondas and his new Tactics.

Did you know that young king philip of Macedon father of Alexander
was sent to Thebes to study, and was a Pupil of Epaminondas, and we can safley assume that he used to get buggered by him as well..








cilmile ....
I too am afraid of what social pollution is in the future for somalia.
Lets hope this doesnt come true.

[Cilmiile]

Gurey,

There was a Warsangeli puntlander with the nick "Badhan" who used to post in the Puntland section when Jaamac Cali Jaamac and his Barakaat/Itixaad supporters took over Puntland. The guy was anti wadaad zealot and I used to harrass him thinking he was just a brainwashed westernized fool. All the shit the guy used to predict came true

I also used to think Bashir Goth, the diehard Samaroon Somalilander was a bit of an alarmist. But he seems to have been spot on too.

These Wadaads are hellbent on taking an axe to the Somali culture and ways.

They are turning us into Carab when even the Arabs are having second thoughts about their crazy misogynist culture.


Demure,

I know the whole country is becoming Jilbaab tented. But if the wadaads become the rulers of Somalia, it will be compulsory to wear that hideous garb.

We cant allow that.

[dhuusa_deer]

Cultures/religions/social mores are by nature kaleidoscopic... get with the program. You don't like the apparent "talibinazation of S. Somalia", argue your case. So far you all have been moaning.

What makes Taliban version of Islam bad or wrong? What makes the current somali attitudes towards religion and gender issues preferable to the Taliban's.

[Cilmiile]

Rampant Homosexuality for one. Read the discussion before you release your loud farts

[muslim-man]

@ Rampant Homosexuality.

Cilmiile,

You really are getting desparate! As DD has pointed out, you have miserably failed to put forward a logical argument as to why the UIC is a poor choice of governance for Somalia.

You scream the wadaads are hell-bent on destroying the Somali culture & turning everyone in to Wahabis, yet you were not screaming when the residents of southern Somalia were being brutalized for 16 years.

I find it pitiful that you would welcome blood-thirsty war mongers like A/Yusuf & Co. who have miserably failed Somalia for decades. These men are war criminals, nothing more, nothing less. The only place they belong is at the Hague.

This ridiculous propaganda-spin of equating the UIC with the Taliban is a joke, the two share nothing in common.

And now, you claim that the Wadaads condone homosexuality?

[dhuusa_deer]

Me "reading" the discussion will not change the fact it entirely comprised of personal, subjective opinions and not a naught of objectivity. What is there to discuss exactly?

Nothing "inherently" wrong with homosexuality. THe word "homosexuality" is not equivalent of magician's wand where upon using it you magically made your case. You haven't!

Lastly, plenty cultures are extant today where homosexuality and other "devious" sexuality is rampant. What gives?

[Cilmiile]

if you believe that homosexuality is ok, then we have nothing to discuss. Go eat a ceeb and leave us be.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Cilmiile"]if you believe that homosexuality is ok, then we have nothing to discuss. Go eat a **** and leave us be.[/quote]

is the object of your posts to highlight your intellectual shallowness?

pouting is not an arguement I'm afraid.

[gurey25]

Cilmile i think you are exagerrating.

This change in society has little to due with the ICU.
Its becuase of the Civil war, collapse of civil society and the Somali state.

This coupled with the Urbanization and displacement of formerly Nomadic population, and exposure to mass media and the wider world.

This can explain why from 91 onwards the role of your traditional wadaad
decreases and "Saudi interpretations" and mores become the norm.

This is becuase from 91 onwards it is fashionable throughout the muslim world, not just somalia.


This is a major shift in society beyond your control or influence,

[Cilmiile]

"This is a major shift in society beyond your control or influence"

Gurey,

No doubt culture is dynamic and only fool would stand in the way in grassroots changes in social and religious behaviour.

But not all of it is spontaneous but, rather, has been midwived in Arabia. The Saudis are unstinting in their largesse when it comes to spreading the Evil wahaabism. And these things are being spread in the malcaamad. A half baked sheekh who has gained a haphazard understanding of Islam and loaded with a few Saudi Dirhams opens a small malcaamad. He is armed with money and zealous convictions full of doom and gloom and and preaching religious prohibitions and strictures.

He has a captive young minds, desperate parents afflicted by savagery of Warlords and poverty.

This is the ideal incubator for Fanatical Wahaabi fanaticism.


What we have to do is cut off the supply of captive young minds to these Fanatical cultists by giving Somali parents an alternative venue to educate their young children. Why not a a Somali malcaamad taught by Somalis with a modern education, giving Somali children, not a steady diet of of obscurantist Fanatical Whaabi propaganda, but rather a balanced modern education heavy on science and mathematics, history and some religious education(And foreign language training).


If you get 100 students and charge them 10 dollars(The going rate for malcaamads in Somalia) it is enough to make a good living while making a real difference in the life of Somalis. By denying the advance of Wahaabi Fanaticism.

The difference is the Western educated man is not willing to alter his lifestyle and go back home and become a teacher and endure a hard slog. The Wahaabi Fanatic has a strategic vision of Somalia as a bastion of Wahaabism and is willing to endure any hardship to achieve that aim. Xasan Daahir Aweys proclaimed a while bakc that he didnt mind if Somalis failed to establish a government for the next 30 years. He said we will continue to lay the groundwork for an Islamic Republic by teaching our young until the whole population becomes infused with the Islamic thought.

Muslim Man,

No religion advocates homosexuality. At least none that I know of. But one of the unintended consequences of gender segregation is "rampant homosexuality"

I dont when you left Somalia but the Somalia I knew of and the Somalia of my parents was one where there was a high degree of fraternization between the sexes and there were a coeducational schools. In other words gender relationships that were in sharp contrast to the highly restrictive Saudi and Afghan models(Rampantly homosexual)

[muslim-man]

"I dont when you left Somalia but the Somalia I knew of and the Somalia of my parents was one where there was a high degree of fraternization between the sexes and there were a coeducational schools. In other words gender relationships that were in sharp contrast to the highly restrictive Saudi and Afghan models(Rampantly homosexual)"

Cilmiile,

I was fairly young when the civil war broke out, but I was old enough to remember much fraternization between men & women, and it is still present in Somalia, maybe not as much as the post-colonial era.

My argument is this: Somalis are very independent people, mainly due to our nomadic heritage, with the importation of strict Sunni Islam, Somali society has changed a lot, but not to the extent of Afghanistan.

For the Taliban to enforce strict ultra-orthodox intrepretations of Sunni Islam, the environment had to be ripe, so the Pashtun culture being very similar to the cultures of many Arab countries (Yemen, Saudi, etc.) they were able to easily implement many anti-women policies e.g. denying women the right to work, denying women the right to education, etc.

In Somalia, because of our culture, it will be near impossible to implement such ridiculous policies of gender segregation.

[Cilmiile]

They will turn us into mini Saudi and Afghan

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/ ... omalia.jpg


This is frightening indeed

[muslim-man]

I find nothing frightening about that photo, actually I see a Somali woman willing to fight for what she believes.

Besides, after what people have been through over the past decade, I am sure they won't complain about being converted in to a "mini-Saudi Arabia" as long as they can conduct their daily routines in peace.

[Cilmiile]

Muslim man,

Hawiye chose the worst way to achive law and order in Magacdisho.

They had a choice of welcoming Cabdilaahi Yuusuf, the man who lit the fuse on the anti Siyaad struggle. and Geeddi, a son of Magacdisho.

But they chose crazy wadaads who turned Hawiye girls into abhorrent Jilbaab tent wearing, Ak 47 toting freaks.

[muslim-man]

[quote="Cilmiile"]Muslim man,

Hawiye chose the worst way to achive law and order in Magacdisho.

They had a choice of welcoming Cabdilaahi Yuusuf, the man who lit the fuse on the anti Siyaad struggle. and Geeddi, a son of Magacdisho.

But they chose crazy wadaads who turned Hawiye girls into abhorrent Jilbaab tent wearing, Ak 47 toting freaks.[/quote]

A/Yusuf had plenty of chance to show his worthiness. Each time, he failed miserably. He always wished to be crowned president of Somalia, when that title finally materialized in 2004, he didn't know what to do with it.