[quote]Of course I can, that's precisely what I'm saying. Either Ethiopian troops IN somalia is WRONG or it's not. Unless you're saying there are certain conditions which excuse Ethiopian invasion of Somalia. Are you? MAKE your arguement kiddo, don't spew the same mantra over and over as if repeition makes it true the umpteenth time.[/quote]
Ethiopian Involvement is fair my man. I've bee thinking bout the "HABESHI INVADING SOMALIA" Then I realized this is all propganda from qaadisiya hornafrik and shabeelenews etc All outlets of "SHEIK" CEYR
[quote]Back it up... foreign support for ICU is grossly exaggerated (just like ethiopian support for TFG) and if there is any support, it's marginal at best. WTF is Jihadi world? What are you now, a neocon?
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So you agree that both sides are exaggerated. So where's your point of contention. Jihadi world is all the idiots out there who think they are fighting a jihad when somalia isn't RUSSIA IN THE LATE EIGHTIES VS afghanistan nor is somalia iraq. We are SOMALI MUSLIMS VS SOMALI MUSLIMS.
[quote]FACT: ICU hasn't invaded a single inch of Ethiopia, they haven't made any signs of invading Ethiopia and they DID NOT (you're lying here budd) say they will invade Ethiopia... only if Ethiopia didn't sieze undermining them, they'd take appropriate actions. Appropriate actions may very well have been cursing Ethiopia... I think they did hurl some habaars[/quote]
Obviously they haven't invaded a single inch of ethiopia. But are you arguing over Dahir aweys declaring "holy war" on Ethiopia? If you make threats you best back them up.
[quote]No dude, they're weak. Why is open to speculation and disagreement. But one thing can't be denied, they lost their early, fleeting chance to capitalise on their popular support (you know, when ppl lined the streets to welcome them, remember then?)... it was THEIR pervasive incompetency that finally undone them. [/quote]
Sxb the people in Xamar however much they hated the warlords would rather be threw hell and high water if they had abdullahi yusuf "Ruling" over them. Do you remember when they had the bomb blast in xamar for Geedi (reer xamar). What do you think they would've done to him?
[quote]Budd, the ONLY ppl fixated on clanism are: 1) the diaspora (cuz they got NOTHING to lose.. they're save and sound in peacefull and clan free West) and 2) those who profit from the current status quo... the warlords, self-appointed leaders, civil war profiteers, towelheads etc The average Somali wants everyone human being on the planet truly desires: peace to pursue dreams, send own kids to school, embetter own situation etc. They lost so much with little or nothing in compensation for supporting their qabiils... they're not stupid... the gig is up!!! Qabiilism is in it's final throes.[/quote]
Your making a lot of assumptions. The average somali back home does want to prosper. But the average somali knows there qabiil and they know who's for them and who's not for them. I would love qabiilism to be in it final steps but listen hear buddy when you have Abdiqasim, Cirfo, Deylaaf, Indhacadde, Aweys, Goobanle, Seraar, etc from the same sub sub sub clan do you reall expect me to believe Clanism is over. But I forgot people are allowed to cover under islam and do as they wish eh?
[quote]Anywhere they lost ground to ICU... not all but some of the regions ICU took over involved fighting between forces comprising or allied to TFG (like in Kismaayo). But that's academic debate... the ICU and forces allied to it are now lording over more land they were just a year ago, all the while TFG is in control fewer land than when they first were cheeringly welcomed. Do the math. [/quote]
If anything hiraale was allied with his buddies from galgaduud. He was stabbed in the back. But where has anywhere the TFG and its allies controls roughly 40-50 percent of Somalia. I don't know what you are smoking. NOW YOU DO THE MATH.
[quote]I have no idea what you're talking about here... artillery is hard to come by in Somalia... I doubt any side has any in significant numbers.. that includes the ineffectual MRLs.
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The ICU handidly defeated a US back Warlord group. You don't do that by simple Kacdoon of the people. You do that with weaponry. Where did the ICU get there weapons......Which leads me to your next point
[quote]First, Arab league doesn't exist in REALITY. Only in paper. It's supposedly a head organisation for a group of nations that share certain interests. But as we know, they hardly if ever agree on anything beyond posturing and empty rhetoric. But WHERE is the evidence for Arab league weapons to ICU. This is news to me. I heard Eritrea but not Arab league.
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lets not play games. The arab league comprises of The 20+ arab nations all but Yemen Support the ICU. Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Syria have been fuelling the conflict.
"Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Djibouti, Saudi Arabia, " Have been supporting the ICU.
www.voanews.com/english/Africa/2006-11-17-voa10.cfm[quote]Yes. But we all would like YOU show us Eritreans doing what you suppose. That is, eritrean troops in Somalia in meaningful numbers fighting or actively opposing TFG[/quote]
Has anybody seen shot pictures of Ethiopian Troops. I would like to see that first. Lets not play Semantics here buddy. They are both on the ground.
[quote]rove it! We have Melez on public record stating his agend for Somalia. We have Ethiopian parliment passing a bill to rev up Ethiopian support for TFG. Independent and relevant sources all corroborate the allegation of significant Ethiopian military presense in Somalia. The opposite body of evidence and official statements of Eritrean presense in Somalia is at best spotty.[/quote]
Meles has not said he has 8000 troops. he said he's given some advisors to the TFG's Military. Thats all but we all know thats the case. Everybody can lie. You think Eritrea wants a Somalia who's friendly too Ethiopia? They want an somalia who's with THEM.
[quote]Like Isreal, they're a nation under existential threat (from ethiopia that never really relinquished it's designs for it). [/quote]
So your giving an excuse for their involvement. But Ethiopia can't have any excuses right?
[quote]"arab petro dollars"? now you're reaching for it pal...[/quote]
How do you think the ICU got to were they are? you think abdiqasim helped Indhacadde with Jamaican Patty and a bun funds?
Your kidding yourself.
