THE REAL DEATH OF A NATION

[musika man]

^^^^

galol

are you female? testorones is lacking your system. if you are not my apologies.

geeddi entered xamar and welcomed by the hawiye clan leaders. thanks to hutu courts and zenawi. a semblence of government is emerging.

[Galol]

Musika

Sorry my testestrone levels did not meet your demand levels.What has this to do with Geddi I am not sure.

[musika man]

[quote="Galol"]Musika

Sorry my testestrone levels did not meet your demand levels.What has this to do with Geddi I am not sure.[/quote]

your first sentence in this thread was 'the somali nation is dead'.

geeddi's enterance in xamar is a sign of the emergence of a nation.

[Gedo_Boy]

[quote="Galol"]
This is about something slightly bigger: It is about National identity and History and justice and pride. Silly things I know.[/quote]

Galol,

The disintegration of Somalia was a long time coming. What would surprise you about the recent events?

I saw the movie Apocalypto a few weeks ago. It had this opening quote:

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

This is what Somalia did to themselves. Ethiopian intervention in Somalia didn't start today, it didn't start yesterday.

You are lamenting the demise of Somalia while on the other hand pushing to secede from Somalia by becoming Somaliland.

[Galol]

Gedo

My favourite Wadaad, I agree with the Apoclypto thing. Me and you just disagree on the detail.

[Kamal35]

Galol: I'm with Michael Ital here. You should write a book about Somalia because your writtings are really brilliant and educative.

Once said this, I find difficult to understand the hatred against Ethiopia. Of course, along with the History, you can have conflicts with your neighbours (and Spain is a good example of that), but you can't have an eternal hate... I mean: I would find weird to hate Portuguese or Italians as eternal enemies, because our ways of life are very similar and our culture is almost the same.

Costa said in another thread something that doesn't sound stupid at all: It's time that all Eastern African countries to think about something similar of what the European Union has done: to share what's common among all the European countries in order to be stronger and have stability. Somalia, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenia, Sudan... could make some kind of African Union in order to bring peace to the zone and to be able to face great catastrophes as hunger or drought. A poor country as Somalia (and it's poor not because of its riches, but because of the stupidity of warlords and qabilism) can't start wars against other poor countries as Ethiopia or Djibouti.

It's time, I think, to be smarter than that.

[Kamal35]

One more thing to add:

Let's not forget the context in which the wars of Somalia vs Ethiopia took place: The Cold War, with the USA and the USRR supporting alternatively one or another country in order to have their own battles out of their own grounds.

[gurey25]

Galol attacking ethiopia in 77 itself was not what was wrong.
IT was the incompetance of siyads foriegn policy.

Whoever advised him to cut ties with the soviets in 77 and kick them out
killed somalia.

If cooler heads prevailed and we kept things going as they were in 77,
maintained relation with the Soviets, and let the WSLF fight thier battles alone.

In 1985 with Gorbachev and soviet / Cuban thirst for adventure lost
We could have taken ethiopia easily.

By 89 the Somali Army not the EPLF/EPRDF allaince would have been dictating events in Addis ababa with US approval.


but that all a laod of IF's

[Gedo_Boy]

^^ You have a point there w/ the USSR ties.

That was probably an emotional knee-jerk reaction

considering the eventual takeover by the TPLF, we would have had influence in Addis.

[gurey25]

yes very somali.

shoot first and then ask questions later.

[Cawar]

Gurey

2 things are missing from your anlaysis..

1) It was impossible to keep the ties with the Soviets after they took sides clearly
2) The SNA was well trained, ambitious and had to be deployed somehow, somewhere...otherwise they would eaten Siad alive.

[gurey25]

Cawar

for


1. No it want impossible.. they didnt choose sides, they decided to choose both sides,, all we had to do was keep our heads down and be quite.
As long as the soviets give us the same quality of weapons and funding as before why should we care. After 1980 and the afghan war we could have switched over to the Americans and the west.

We would have been another Pakistan, a frontline state against communism, we would have been drowned in billions of Western Aid.

The WSLF would have had the Western training and Stinger missles.
Cubans would have been dropping like flys, Xabshis massacred without the Somalia army lifing a finger.



2. This was assuming siyad was a patriot, not another power hungary politician.

[Galol]

Kamal

There is no hatred for Ethiopia. But no one likes foreign invasion. Somalis are no exception.

Gurey & Cawar

Good points. It is a historical fact that all dictators hate all organised forces even if they create those forces themselves. So Siyad Barre wanting to weaken the Somali Army fits perfectly within that frame.

Another dicator the Marxoum Saddam Hussein once railed against the power of the Ba'ath party " 14 million Iraqis cannot be members..this is unacceptable..I know `independents' who make more contribution to the nation.."

A massive purging was already under way. Some say he did the same with Iraqi army: He wanted them away in a foreign adventure rather than plotting against him in baghdad.

[Gamadid.]

Death of a nation indeed. There is no pride left for proud somalis.

[intellex]

galool you want play the blaming game or you want the reality
Isaaqs /mareexaans and hawiyes are the reason why somalia is in this sht

but i dont think you want hear this right ???