Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:18 am
wat the fock is Moqtada 
Biko
Well dont quote such deep chit again and puzzle the old man.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:20 am
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:22 am
Moqtada Al Sadar is the leader of Iraq. unofficialy that is. his a shiat whos responsible for half of the bloodshed in Iraq today.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:25 am
[quote="Galol"]Biko
Well dont quote such deep chit again and puzzle the old man.[/quote]
how could i puzzle you abti?...you are un-puzzle-able..if that makes sense.
Well dont quote such deep chit again and puzzle the old man.[/quote]
how could i puzzle you abti?...you are un-puzzle-able..if that makes sense.Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:36 am
"Moqtada Al Sadar is the leader of Iraq. unofficialy that is."
Biko
That worries me. It is saddening that once a great nation under Saddam and before that Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr and before that the Marxist Abdi Karim Qassim and before that the Arifs - all secular Iraqist rulers - is now being run by this little petty Shiast moron from Karbala whose only `achievement' is that he is his father's son.
Yes I blame America for empowering filth like him, but for Iraqis, this moron has been nothing but a disaster.
Biko
That worries me. It is saddening that once a great nation under Saddam and before that Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr and before that the Marxist Abdi Karim Qassim and before that the Arifs - all secular Iraqist rulers - is now being run by this little petty Shiast moron from Karbala whose only `achievement' is that he is his father's son.
Yes I blame America for empowering filth like him, but for Iraqis, this moron has been nothing but a disaster.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:42 am
"whose only `achievement' is that he is his father's son. "
Hey, if it's enough in America, it should be good enough for Iraq, right.
Hey, if it's enough in America, it should be good enough for Iraq, right.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:47 am
gedo
galool is right. the only reason his so popular and he get the suport he has is because of his father.
galool is right. the only reason his so popular and he get the suport he has is because of his father.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:49 am
biko,
Ofcourse, I agree with that. He's a charity case. His father was killed and he is looked up to.
He is not leadership material.
Ofcourse, I agree with that. He's a charity case. His father was killed and he is looked up to.
He is not leadership material.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:53 am
Gedo boy
Not good enough for America and not good enough for Iraq.
Shoddy rulers for both but sadly the latter suffers far more.
Did you hear the famous British leftist Tony Benn's saying " If the Pilot of my plane said to me I am not a Pilot but my father was a very good one I will get out of that plane very quickly"
Not good enough for America and not good enough for Iraq.
Shoddy rulers for both but sadly the latter suffers far more.
Did you hear the famous British leftist Tony Benn's saying " If the Pilot of my plane said to me I am not a Pilot but my father was a very good one I will get out of that plane very quickly"
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:59 am
I wholeheartedly agree.
However, the windfall geopolitical winner are the Persians.
The Persians are real smart, it's like they got ancient wisdom like the Chinese & they are cunning & they can play their cards well.
The Persians, The Chinese.........it's like we're going Back to the Future.
They know Empire.
However, the windfall geopolitical winner are the Persians.
The Persians are real smart, it's like they got ancient wisdom like the Chinese & they are cunning & they can play their cards well.
The Persians, The Chinese.........it's like we're going Back to the Future.
They know Empire.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:07 am
Gedo
You sound almost racist with all these comments about people you and I ill understand.
One needs to be careful with these things.
You sound almost racist with all these comments about people you and I ill understand.
One needs to be careful with these things.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:45 am
Biko,
I agree that the raid was extremely well planned, and well executed. HOWEVER, the execution of captives is clearly a violation of the laws of land warfare, and that completely sullies the individuals who conducted the raid. And of course, we are going to find them and kill them.
The real issue is your argument about the raid being justified. In a sense, you can argue that the insurgents are fully justified in resisting occupation by foreign forces. However in this case, I do not believe they are doing themselves any favors. You and I both know this insurgency has completely fractured the country. The sectarian violence is going to turn into a full blown civil war if we leave prior to a stable government being able to take control. So while I applaud the skill of the insurgents who carried out the raid, I do not applaud their morals nor their cause. They, and people like them, are on the road to hell. When we withdraw, they will arrive there.
I agree that the raid was extremely well planned, and well executed. HOWEVER, the execution of captives is clearly a violation of the laws of land warfare, and that completely sullies the individuals who conducted the raid. And of course, we are going to find them and kill them.
The real issue is your argument about the raid being justified. In a sense, you can argue that the insurgents are fully justified in resisting occupation by foreign forces. However in this case, I do not believe they are doing themselves any favors. You and I both know this insurgency has completely fractured the country. The sectarian violence is going to turn into a full blown civil war if we leave prior to a stable government being able to take control. So while I applaud the skill of the insurgents who carried out the raid, I do not applaud their morals nor their cause. They, and people like them, are on the road to hell. When we withdraw, they will arrive there.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:08 am
I agree with MAD MAC This ruthless insurgency has completely fractured the country. 
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:43 am
mad mac
is this laws of land warfare respected by the US? do they respect any laws whether international or domestic? i seriously doubt it.
i realy find it funny that you talking about morals, when in facts moral(s)
left the country the moment the bombs started to fall in Iraq.
under different circumstancesi would have questioned the morals of those who carried out the raid, but not in Iraq and definitely not today.
is this laws of land warfare respected by the US? do they respect any laws whether international or domestic? i seriously doubt it.
i realy find it funny that you talking about morals, when in facts moral(s)
left the country the moment the bombs started to fall in Iraq.
under different circumstancesi would have questioned the morals of those who carried out the raid, but not in Iraq and definitely not today.
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:56 am
The United States Armed Forces clearly respects the laws of land warfare. SOME INDIVIDUALS may not, but when and where those individuals are identified, they are prosecuted.
Let me ask you something, when was the last time an Iraqi insurgent group prosecuted one of its own for war crimes? They kill prisoners of war routinely. Do we? If we did, there would have been no Abu Ghraib scandal, because there would have been no prisoners to put in them.
We could have fire bombed Baghdad and just leveled the place indiscriminately. Did we do that? We could have done the same to Fallujah, left no building standing, killed everyone in it. Did we do that? Did we do that in Tikrit? No, as an institution and mostly as individuals, we follow the laws of land warfare. The insurgents do not. Not against us, and not against each other either.
This failure to follow the laws of land warfare, or even recongize they exist, and their determination to pursue sectarian aims, is what is slowly, but inexorably, going to destroy the country. We leave in 2009. And when we do, Iraq will self immolate, and it will be their own fault. They have a chance now to bury the hatchet, and unite as a civil society. But they refuse to do it. Instead they all insist on having everything their own way. So we can expect to see a full blown civil war as we go out the gate, and it will be one that makes Somalias pale in comparison.
Let me ask you something, when was the last time an Iraqi insurgent group prosecuted one of its own for war crimes? They kill prisoners of war routinely. Do we? If we did, there would have been no Abu Ghraib scandal, because there would have been no prisoners to put in them.
We could have fire bombed Baghdad and just leveled the place indiscriminately. Did we do that? We could have done the same to Fallujah, left no building standing, killed everyone in it. Did we do that? Did we do that in Tikrit? No, as an institution and mostly as individuals, we follow the laws of land warfare. The insurgents do not. Not against us, and not against each other either.
This failure to follow the laws of land warfare, or even recongize they exist, and their determination to pursue sectarian aims, is what is slowly, but inexorably, going to destroy the country. We leave in 2009. And when we do, Iraq will self immolate, and it will be their own fault. They have a chance now to bury the hatchet, and unite as a civil society. But they refuse to do it. Instead they all insist on having everything their own way. So we can expect to see a full blown civil war as we go out the gate, and it will be one that makes Somalias pale in comparison.