It's Not About Jihad

[Padishah]

Women's rights more important than Habeaus Corpus, Due Process, Equality under the Law, Speedy and Fair Trial, Property Rights, The Right to Vote, and a host of other things.

Some lopsided values there. No one has clearly defined these values were are supposed to adhere to, and how we are failing to adhere to them. But then again, why need to define anything when your argument works better when dealing with vagueries and mere shadows.

[Poetess]

" No one has clearly defined these values were are supposed to adhere to,"

Must be terribly puzzling for Islamists isn't it? Allow me to elucidate on one enlightened principle: don't kill and severe the throat of dutch film makers to whose films you object. Try writing a review instead.

" how we are failing to adhere to them. But then again, why need to define anything when your argument works better when dealing with vagueries and mere shadows."

Perhaps this will help to shed some light: rampaging through cities rioting, setting alight Danish and western embassies, taking to the streets with placards marked, "behead those who insult Islam ... Slay the infidels", for cartoon publications is a good sign you've fallen foul of the law. Next time try writing to the editor.

[FAH1223]

[quote="Poetess"]"And a shura panel is like Representative democracy... whats wrong with that?"

Nothing wrong with representative democracy except Shura is not.

"I'm outlining the people, this right wing ideology in these Western societies who have become so radicalized in their interpretations of immigration and integration issues"

When your civilization and most cherished principles as free speech, women's rights, gay rights, equality of all believers and none are under attack a society can be excused for being a tad bit upset. immigration is fine but with assimilation. Hindus, Buddhists, Jews have integrated quite nicely in Europe, Muslims particularly the young have refused, and some like Imam Ijaz Mian going so far as to tell his congregation: "Muslims must grow in strength, then take over… You are in a situation in which you have to live like a state-within-a-state - until you take over." (see article: http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 262&hilit=)


" It has nothing to do with democracy, it is well in place in France and Europe. Its an identity deal and any non-multicultural European society doesn't want that. But guess what, they will have to."

France's getting along jolly fine with its immigrant Muslims isn't it?[/quote]

I don't agree with being outsiders, they need to respect the laws, but if your wife/sister can't even wear a scarf over her head, I mean c'mon.

and Islam doesn't teach the slaying of non-believers.. it teaches no compulsion in religion. Like I have said before, it is the people in societies such as Saudi Arabia and elsewhere who "claim" to be using Islamic law but they have diluted it with their own man-made interests. In terms of gays... man fukk that sh1t, they can stay in the closet and nothing will happen to them. And the early open-mindness that Islamic societies during the Golden Age and even up till the 19th century (when Muslims started getting gay and started to fight each other and suppressed their own citizens of all faiths) respected other people to worship, sure they paid a tax.. but we all pay taxes here.

I'm all for free speech and if someone is critical of you, you also have the right to be critical of them. I'll also agree with you on how some Muslims in the world will resort to violence instead of writing a simple letter explaining their displeasure.

[Padishah]

[quote="Poetess"]" No one has clearly defined these values were are supposed to adhere to,"

Must be terribly puzzling for Islamists isn't it? Allow me to elucidate on one enlightened principle: don't kill and severe the throat of dutch film makers to whose films you object. Try writing a review instead.

" how we are failing to adhere to them. But then again, why need to define anything when your argument works better when dealing with vagueries and mere shadows."

Perhaps this will help to shed some light: rampaging through cities rioting, setting alight Danish and western embassies, taking to the streets with placards marked, "behead those who insult Islam ... Slay the infidels", for cartoon publications is a good sign you've fallen foul of the law. Next time try writing to the editor.[/quote]



Oh, so following the Law is what is required! Why didn't you say so; I could ease your suffering and tell you ~90% of Muslims adhere to the law, do not behead anyone, have never met a Danish film-maker, wouldn't know where their closest Danish Embassy was, found the cartoons distasteful and understood their intent, and have never held a placard of any sort in their lives. You can rest easy now, Poetess. The majority are sane, 'moderates' as your ilk likes to term them.

No more need for these silly fear mongering muck raking Pipes style rants, unless its your hobby to hunger after the minority and generalising to the rest of the community.

[Grant]

Padishah,

What percentage of the world's Muslim population did it take to knock over the twin towers? And what proportion of that population has condemned it?

Said in a different way, what percentage of Iraqis favor civil war? What share of that can be put to Abumusab Alzarqawi and the bombing of the Golden mosque in Samarra ?

You have tiny groups of individuals causing enormous havoc among large populations. Ten percent is a lot.

[Padishah]

Oh, I love the line about 9/11. The official conspiracy theory is wonderful. 19 Saudi hijackers, 7 of whom still live, outiftted and trained by an CIA created organisation used to riding horses and using Kalishnikov's during battle in the middle of an Afghani desert, hijacked 4 planes that they could not fly, rammed two in the twin towers on 9/11, and capped of their last night on Earth with rambunctious drunken sex with hired prostitutes, all for Jihad in the path of Allah.

It'll take more than an official conspiracy theory pushed by the US Government to convince me of the above scenario.

As for who condemned it; most of the ~90% I spoke about before. For heaven's sake, Iranians were holding candle-light vigils in sympathy, and they have the most reason to be joyful, with the history of American meddling in that country alone.


As for these small havoc causing groups; they were created by Western meddling annd power politics:

The Muslim Brotherhood was originally a group of people, akin to Tableegh Jama'at, who were pre-occupied with building their communities, their faith in God, and improving and modernising the accruements of their lives. Hassan Al Banna was the originator of the group, and was a-political, until he saw elements that pushed for the group to take a more political stance in opposition of the secular government. Britain was opposed to Nasser as well, and two unlikely bedfellows were born. Mi-6 has had a role in the Muslim Brotherhood ever since, and Muslim brotherhood has been the originator of many of these groups around the world.

Let's look at Hamas; they were a small irrelevant group of Muslim Brotherhood malcontents before the PLO got serious about nation building and moved away from their terroristic activities. Israel found this situation to be intolerable, and we had covert donations to the Hamas cause from Shin Bet, as they wanted Hamas to cause choas and undermine the Fatah position. Worked beautifully. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (think the movie Munich) was originally a Marxist organisation started by George Habash, a Palestinian Christian, and recieved a lot of funding from Communist block countries, as well as Shin Bet, who found their violent tactics could be used as an excuse not to come to a lasting peace agreement, and accuse the Palestinians of not wanting peace; an argument still used today.

Al Qaeda was a CIA creation. Bin Laden was a CIA pet during Afghanistan, and had no qualms about support by the Great Satan. And then, all of a sudden, the Great Satan is enemy number 1 only a few short years afterwards! Cajeeb.

You Americans created the situation in Iraq by invading and destroying the infrastructure and organs of government except for the Oil Ministry. The conflict in Iraq seems designed to fracture the nation into three, and the Israeli's make no secret of favouring the Kurds. They provide lots of support and training for the Kurdish militia currently terrorising non-Kurds in Northern Iraq. Washington is looking to establish a Democracy in the area, but Israel is ready to help the Kurds secede and go it their own way.

Ally, huh?



Anywho, the ideas Poetess puts forward and you seem to swallow without protest, are designed to make Islamists of the ~90% who are opposed to the muck who call themselves Muslims. Again, you'll have created the problem, and to solve it the American way creates another problem! Happy solving.

[Cilmiile]

Why is Steyn afraid of demographic reality of Muslims becoming majorityin Europe? It is all about Democracy and Majority rule aint it?

Muslims love democracy. Look at Palestine and Hamas. Look at Iraq and the success of Shia parties. Lebonan and Hisbullah.

France under The Crescent Moon Party? why not. Democracy good.

[Grant]

Padishah,

I am not an apologist for the CheneyBushRice team. They confused the rules of nation states and conventional land warfare with the values and methods of groups that recognize no part of that as legitimate.

Did you check this out?

viewtopic.php?f=264&t=88850

[Poetess]

"Anywho, the ideas Poetess puts forward and you seem to swallow without protest, are designed to make Islamists of the ~90% who are opposed to the muck who call themselves Muslims."

For once in your miserable self-inflicted existence take responsibility for your own.

With large sections of western Muslims demanding Sharia imposition (see article below), Islamic death squads killing critical journalists and filmmakers, disproportionate Muslim crime rates- particularly rape, combined with continent wide Islamic terrorism, westerners are well within their rights to pacify these unsavory barbarians (yes I really did mean to say that).

When the tide of western public opinion- already sufficiently roused- turns against the Muslims, they can count themselves lucky if deportation is all they get.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... =NEWS&ct=5

[Cilmiile]

poetess

Islam is unstoppable. Europe will become muslim.America will be next. All the poor and disenfranchised people are embracing islam. The blacks are now drawn to Islam because "the man" hates it. Next the wetbacks.

The whole world is becoming engulfed by a sea of green.

Console yourself with your poetry, poor lady

[Poetess]

Cilmille

Do you know why Bosnia collapsed into the worst slaughter in Europe since World War Two? Said one political commentator, " In the thirty years before the meltdown, Bosnian Serbs had declined from 43 percent to 31 percent of the population, while Bosnian Muslims had increased from 26 percent to 44 percent. In a democratic age, you can’t buck demography—except through civil war. The Serbs figured that out—as other Continentals will in the years ahead: if you can’t outbreed the enemy, cull ’em."

As so many times explained, Islamofascists are on borrowed time.

"The blacks are now drawn to Islam because "the man" hates it"

Convicts hardly lend credibility. Anyone familiar with elementary biology knows Islam's Adam & Eve tale plagiarized extensively from the Bible is nonsense. Our Judeo-Christian culture, far more enlightened, accepts it as allegorical. Western culture doesn't t look too doesn't look favorbly upon Islam's primitive theology.

Seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29i_y0dQ ... ed&search=

[Cilmiile]

Poetess

So the Bosnians were Islamofaschists? these guys who were enjoying their fashion shows and skiing and drinking alcohol like crazy? Do you know what life was like in Sarajevo? It was the Paris of the balkans.

And you are saying that these civilized and smart western Europeans would be manipulated into genocide by a jumped up Party hack like Milosevic?

I dont think so.


As well, by dismissing the black and Hispanic underclass as being so many criminals and jailbirds, you are contradicting the thrust of your Somalinet arguments(in the form of Jew and Jew lover neocon writings). The reason I say that is that muslim population that most fervently embraces Extremist Islam are the young underclass of muslim immigrants. They are the european couternparts of the Black negroes you dismiss as being incapable of mounting revolution.

If blacks cant overthrow the Capitalist money and luxury worshipping establishment neither can the poor, afflicted muslims of Europe.

[FAH1223]

double post

[FAH1223]

[quote="Poetess"]Cilmille

Do you know why Bosnia collapsed into the worst slaughter in Europe since World War Two? Said one political commentator, " In the thirty years before the meltdown, Bosnian Serbs had declined from 43 percent to 31 percent of the population, while Bosnian Muslims had increased from 26 percent to 44 percent. In a democratic age, you can’t buck demography—except through civil war. The Serbs figured that out—as other Continentals will in the years ahead: if you can’t outbreed the enemy, cull ’em."

As so many times explained, Islamofascists are on borrowed time.

"The blacks are now drawn to Islam because "the man" hates it"

Convicts hardly lend credibility. Anyone familiar with elementary biology knows Islam's Adam & Eve tale plagiarized extensively from the Bible is nonsense. Our Judeo-Christian culture, far more enlightened, accepts it as allegorical. Our culture don't look too kindly upon Islam's primitive theology.

Seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29i_y0dQ ... ed&search=[/quote]

LMAO @ this

Islamic Empire shapes a lot of our civilization today, while your people in Northern Europe didn't even bathe, scust

and you support the genocide of Muslims, I knew it. I guess you jumped for joy when the Serbs slaughtered the Bosniaks. SMH @ you calling them Islamofacists.. that isn't even a word.

Talking about "Oh we won't let a holocaust ever happen again"

you're type disgust me

[Poetess]

"So the Bosnians were Islamofaschists?"

The analogy was to demonstrate that once sufficiently provoked, our European allies won't countenance foreigners- whatever their stripe.

"As well, by dismissing the black and Hispanic underclass as being so many criminals and jailbirds, you are contradicting the thrust of your Somalinet arguments(in the form of Jew and Jew lover neocon writings)."

Firstly Europe doesn't have a large hispanic population and I never made reference to them. My contention is ill-educated convicts just fresh from penitentiary don't lend Islam credibility. The looming demographic threat comes not from conversions but fecundity, and westerners are facing up to this as evidenced by the rise in nationalist parties.

"And you are saying that these civilized and smart western Europeans would be manipulated into genocide by a jumped up Party hack like Milosevic?"

We're already seeing shifts in that direction in France for instance marked by Le Pen's rising popularity and electoral success. The same is true in the Netherlands, and other states are following suit. It's not the stuff of Vigilantism yet, but Muslim prospects don't look good. My only regret is that only the far right is moving against Islamists.