Where are all the TFG supporters?

[Young Royal]

[quote="Cilmiile"]Young Royal

This cesspool is moderated by anti government Qaran diids

Keep your cool. Dont put tribe names in your posts.

And confront the Qarandiid in their own threads.

They are gonna avoid you when you confront them with the cold hard truth. That they are terrorist ICU supporters or Mad Isbaaro loving Habar Gidir goons

I bet they are gonna run away from their own threads

Or stop responding to you.

Karbash Killa is almost reduced to a blubbering mental case.

AW is confused.

Smooth is throwing a tantrum. He never responds to my posts.


Lacageylacag = foolish kid

Ismahan, garoob with a good heart. But I she pleaded Odayow hawada iiga bax after I checkmated her.

Confront them with the facts and realities.

But keep your cool.[/quote]

^Cilmiile,

Thanks for the advice Garaad. Yeah, confronting these “Qaran diids” in their own thread is something I could do with ease since their regular forumers unlike this so-call MOD who drops in once in a moon to abuse his power, I honestly don’t know how anyone could keep their cool given his sorry arse unless the ADMIN come to our aid and hold this b*tch accountable for driving all the TFG supporters out.

Am I mad? NO! Am just amazed with this fool who is reduced to deleting threads that are less provoking than the ones he leaves behind...I mean if your going to delete any threads related to “qabiil” you should delete them all or not delete them at all is that simple.

[gurey25]

Your Transgenderd Fairy government does not represent Qaran.

[TarraQ]

^^LOl, tell him brother, tfg does not represent qaran. The are somali speaking ethiopians.

[Cilmiile]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Cilmiile,

It is you who is confused. The problem with Afbiijo & his supporters is that they fail to see their mistakes and reality.

When the TFG came to Xamar, Afbiijo had a golden opportunity to make goodwill with the Hawiyes. Instead he chose to be arrogant and consolidate power to his clan by stuffing them in various key positions in the TFg. He failed to reach out to the Hawiye clans and civil society. He did not reward his allies in the UIC war but soon began to sideline them.

>>>I concede that point. His thinking is understandable however. He did not want to return the status quo ante ICU. Qanyare and Maxamed Dheere wanted to run their usual fiefdoms and that was not going to happen. Not if the government was to be viable.


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He made the Defense MInistry a Majeerten stacked office with the exception of the lap dog Salad Jelle. Throughout the govt, he has shown balant nepotism and disregard for the 4.5 formula by stuffing the TFG with a disproportionate amount of Majeerten.

>>>>>> I concede that point too. Most of the commanders seem to be Daarood. Although Hawiye tend to gild the lily by adding the various brigade commanders and making it seem taht the whole army is Daarood.


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To make things worse, Afbiijo decided to unleash war against the Hawiye civilians who did not love the UIC. He mistook the collapse of the UIC as an endorsement of his power forgetting to find a political solution to Somalia's problems. He believes that by fighting fellow Somalis using Ethiopian power is the only way to bring peace to Xamar instead of finding political ones. He took the option of using force to push his authority instead of negotiations.

>>>>Let us be honest. Hawiye started Mortaring the place like crazy. Including Villa Somalia with CY in it. There could only be one response. And the government was always going to start disarming the citizens. You cant have a government where the citizens are better armed. Not going to happen.

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Once the shells started dropping on Hawiye MOgadishu, the lines were drawn. Afbiijo has started a war against the Hawiye people and should have disregarded the actions of a minority UIC who would have been flushed out if AFbiijo made real effort to reach out to the Hawiye clan and not a few lackeys who already agreed with him.

>>>>He started a war not against Hawiye but those people who dont want to have a government. The ones who benefit from Lawlessness.


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To me and all the anti-UIC camp, Afbiijo showed his true colors once the Ethiopians and him started indiscrimantely shelling Hawiye Mogadishu. He became the monster that every Hawiye feared, a new Darood Despot who was bent on returning to the era of Darood rule over Hawiye of past.

>>>Shelling is unfortunate but the result of irresponsible terrorists who are trying to undermine the government for their own selfish reasons. They dont want a government. Of any kind. Because it would stop their life of bililiqo and isbaaro.


To sum it up, I lost confidence in the TFG because:

1. Lack of Power sharing - Violation of the 4.5 formula

>>>Most of the Ministers are Hawiye. More than 50%. And Hawiye are not 50% of Somalis.

2. Unwanton destruction of Hawiye sectors of Mogadishu

>>>>>I think you Wanton destruction. True but the fault lies with the terrorists who want to root out the fragile flower of Law and Order

3. Lack of outreach and geniune reconciliation efforts towards those outside the TFG umbrella

>>>> Not entirely true. Both Geeddi and CY held many conferences with the Hawiye of Xamar. Geeddi's latest success is the bringning of Caddaani into the TFG fold.


4. Over arching dictatorship ambitions - Ousting of Speaker of Parliment, Sharif Xasan to be replaced with a lackey Madoobe, Stacking up ProAfbiijo men in prominent positions, Replacing MPs with Afbiijo lackeys, Refusing to listen to opponents.

>>>> Speaker who refused to preside over his own parliament. How was he going to run the parliament ? By remote control from Jabuuti?


5. Undue Influence of Addis - Afbiijo has give too much power to Addis that he has failed to stand as his own man.

>>>>> The sooner there is peace, the sooner the Ethiopes can leave


6. Extended Occupation of SOmalia by Ethiopian forces - The UIC are gone but the Ethiopians are still there.

>>> How can they when the government is being mortared to death. And the people opposing them are the beastly savages who burnt corpses and desecrated the dead in the most hideaous manner. Until those people have been uprooted and fully disarmed the Ethiopians and AU peacekeepers should be there.



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[Niya]

Here! Present!
Viva! Long Live to the Transistional Federal Government and His Excellency Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed.

Young Royal, don't get ruffled by the emotional drivel posted here!

[Cilmiile]

Niya

thanx again for that freakonomics again. Fascinating. slowly but surely I am finishing it with short bookstore sessions lol

[AbdiWahab252]

Cilmiile:

Afbiijo fell into the trap laid by the UIC. These Rer Mudug Old Men don't think twice with their stubborness. He should have ignored their pathetic attempts of resistance.

By lobbing shells using Ethiopians, Afbiijo fell into the trap of being the oppressor of the Hawiye nation. He lost any goodwill that was around for his faction. The civilians don't see the UIC or other people who lobby these shells but do see Afbiijo & Ethiopians who return them. So in the end, the antiAfbiijo groups win.

Regarding the powersharing, there is a nonconsistence sharing of power beyond the cabinet posts. Like it or not, there is a heavy tilt towards the Majeetenisation of the key positions. There is a lot of MJs placed as underlings to nonMJ director. Its reminiscent of the days of Marexanization.

My Adeer was an advisor to Aideed (AUN) and strongly suggested that he include his opponents in the Salbalaar government and not simply his allies. The reason for that was Aideed (AUN) would be protrayed as a national leader if he was to include rivals and grant him creditability among the Somalis and International Community.

Afbiijo has failed to include his rivals in. He has marginalized and choked out his opponents. What value does Ghedi have if he is unable to be a Champion of the Hawiye instead of looking like a lapdog ? Personally, I would have picked a strong Hawiye leader like Shiek Sharif rather than accomodate one who has no support even among his own clan ?

Regarding the Ethiopians, Afbiijo is now so captive to them that he is unable to seem to be his own man. He has tied his lot so closely to those in Addis. Somalis have always been suspicious of Addis and by keeping them so long & worse guarding him in Villa Somalia, shows that he is just a lackey.

[Cilmiile]

You make some good points.

[DawladSade]

cilmiile is so soft towards the hawiye, war ka leexo meesha waxyaho jilicsan

abdihutu Abdullahi Yusuf did the right thing and that is taming the Hutus. look at what you said:

[quote]He should have ignored their pathetic attempts of resistance. [/quote]

Who can talk with you about anything when you actually said that?

[Karbaash_killa]

It was for the best of his intrest... a president using an outside army to destroy his own people is hardly going to get favored especially not when you political game is as week as biijos crew

[DawladSade]

kk what you DONT seem to understand is no one needs favors from habar gidir, they will be subjugated and forcelly sent back to their former jobs,

[AbdiWahab252]

Cilmiile,

I am a very pragmatic person by nature. I was hoping for an inclusive government which would be better than the Tora Bora UIC.

If Afbiijo loses the support of pragmatists like me, who can he get support from ? Only "Yes" men and women.

The only folly with "yes" men and women is that they lie which in turn undermines your ability to govern.



DowladSade: Good Morning ! You woke up this morning as a "Hiiraale" fan. Wow Tomorrow you will be an Aweys fan

[Karbaash_killa]

Ciiyaal nimada igala agtag sxb.. Hg hadii aad wax ka qaadikartiin.. Somali oo dhan ayaa ku dhaceen waxna wee ka qaadi waayen... marka take your sorry ass outta here..

There is no crime HG committed alone..and in everycase Hawiye were partners in crime.. and Darood the fuel to the burning fire..

So oohinta iga daa sxb..

poltically.. Afbiijo needed support.... at this frigile moment of his gang of warlords and theifs..

Now that he tried to under estimate the people of Xamar... he is a no body ..

As you can see the Powerful hawiye leaders are dealing with the invader directly..cutting the middle men out(Biijo and his crew of warlords)

[Demure]

[quote="gurey25"]Your Transgenderd Fairy government does not represent Qaran.[/quote]

Lol....Good one.

It's beyond me that anybody still supports these warlords even after they allowed and continue to reinforce foreigners to kill fellow Somalis.