When the Prophet(saw) Walked past a grave :(

[Lil_Cutie..]

MashaAllah.. Is there a Muslim grave nearby where you live?

[Advocatar]

it's kinda wierd though--cus the person looks like they about to jumb on you any gevin minute, in my tabliiqi jamaac days ( ilaahey forgive me ), we would watch them wash bodies properly and chit!.

[Ismahan445]

In Minnesota there is one that I know of were my dad is buried and its like 40 minutes away from our house. Back in the day when we came to American in the 80s there was no Muslim cemetary in our area, so people used to be buried in the same cemetary as the gaalo but different section.

[FAH1223]

sub'hanallah

[Lil_Cutie..]

I know Muslims, Alxamdulilah have moved on.. !!

[Lil_Cutie..]

Do you soil yourself with Urine much then?.. We're talking URINE here.. URINE.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Ismahan445"]In Minnesota there is one that I know of were my dad is buried and its like 40 minutes away from our house. Back in the day when we came to American in the 80s there was no Muslim cemetary in our area, so people used to be buried in the same cemetary as the gaalo but different section. [/quote]

what is the difference they are buried and thats what matters and arent gaallo human to?

[Lil_Cutie..]

A Muslims Iman is largely to do with purity & cleaninessssss..Wt* Urine?
Same situation as when we go to the toliet, we are not like you dirty 'fockers' who just wipe their shyt with tissue and go, No No No.. the cleaness starts here. We use water and no we do not use the same hand we use to eat or give salaam. It makes sense hygiene! Even with urine why would you just wipe?--We wash..

Answer this; If some xar got on your hand, would you just get a bit of tissue and wipe it away and be done with it?? If your answer is a firm Yes. You are sick.. If it is a No, then why should your hand and any other part be different? Cleaniness.. Purity is from here.

You know it makes sense Old man.. It looks like when YOU stay out in the sun for too long it gets to you faster Mac, havent you got anything for your bold head yet?..

[Bagamundo]

[quote="Lil_Cutie.."]A Muslims Iman is largely to do with purity & cleaninessssss..Wt* Urine?
Same situation as when we go to the toliet, we are not like you dirty 'fockers' who just wipe their shyt with tissue and go, No No No.. the cleaness starts here. We use water and no we do not use the same hand we use to eat or give salaam. It makes sense hygiene! Even with urine why would you just wipe?--We wash..

Answer this; If some xar got on your hand, would you just get a bit of tissue and wipe it away and be done with it?? If your answer is a firm Yes. You are sick.. If it is a No, then why should your hand and any other part be different? Cleaniness.. Purity is from here.

You know it makes sense Old man.. It looks like when YOU stay out in the sun for too long it gets to you faster Mac, havent you got anything for your bold head yet?.. [/quote]


I like your anology there...You got the cracker there big time.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

She didn't get me at all. The analogy is false. On one level we are talking physical, on the other spiratual. On top of that, we are talking relative penalties. Think about it - eternity of damnation over urine?????? What's wrong with that picture.

If Mohammed told everyone "Once a year you have to do a hand stand facing Mecca and spit three times towards the south" you all would be doing it.

[Padishah]

What a self-serving simplification, Mad Mac. Typical!

Urine is an impurity, and as such, an impurity that is not removed nullifies the ritual ablutions leading up to Prayer. And nullified Ablutions means your Prayer is not accepted. Not having your Prayer accepted means your opportunity to expiate the vast number of your minor sins leads to your incarceration in Hell.

Thus:
- Impure urine present = ablutions nullified = Prayer not being accepted = going to hell because of your unexpiated sin.

Not:
- Urine splattering = hell, as you would have us believe with the preceding statement.


Its like the inappropriate whistle that leads to an avalanche, if your looking for analogies.

[Qumanyoo]

SAY WALAHI U JUS WROTE THAT... ILAHAY HA KU CAAFIYO

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Urine is an impurity, and as such, an impurity that is not removed nullifies the ritual ablutions leading up to Prayer. And nullified Ablutions means your Prayer is not accepted. Not having your Prayer accepted means your opportunity to expiate the vast number of your minor sins leads to your incarceration in Hell.

Thus:
- Impure urine present = ablutions nullified = Prayer not being accepted = going to hell because of your unexpiated sin.

Not:
- Urine splattering = hell, as you would have us believe with the preceding statement.


Its like the inappropriate whistle that leads to an avalanche, if your looking for analogies."


Padishah
This is about the dumbest rationalization I have ever heard in all my years on the planet! Jesus Christ. You're prayers are not accepted if urine is present? One is physical (not clean) and one is spiratual (prayers). Is God so focked up as to not accept the spiuratual because of the physical? I think not. In fact, urine is EVER PRESENT in your body, and even when you have cleaned yourself thoroughly, microscopic elements remain present externally.

This is a ridiculous logic train. Ablutions are ritualistic and symbolic in nature and purpose.

This reminds me of a post some years back here in which there was extensive discussion about whether or not Mohammed pointed his index finger when prostrating for prayer. It was a RIDICULOUS discussion in which many were stating that not pointing your index finger nullified prayer.

That anyone would believe this kind of gibberish is amazing. Either Mohammed never made said statements attributed to him, or he was off his rocker. Period.

[Padishah]

You're taking this to an extreme no Muslim would take it to.

If it is within your power to keep your private parts and your garments clean of those listed impurities, in reasonable amounts, then one MUST do so. If your garments have urine on them, or your body has urine ON it, and you KNOW that the urine is there, you are obligated to purify the area affected. If you DON'T KNOW, then you are not obligated. Simple.

Worrying about microscopic urine particles is taking it too far from the practicable, and into extremism, which the Prophet (PBUH) warned us about. We are to follow his 'Middle Way'.

God does not require his followers to go to the extreme in keeping his commandments.

But you seem to take delight in taking an extreme position, generalising it onto us, and then railing about the stupidity of the religion, and insulting the Prophet (PBUH) once again. Disingenious, as usual.

[007.MALI]

A believer is never completly impure.
And as for your physical verses spirtual debate, why are you so cool with having urine appparent on you?
So that settles the useless debate, because it is beyond any natural morals to settle for being ''cool'' with having urine on you.
Spiritually a believer is always clean and that includes his mind, so if he has urine on him then he knows the drill, he will clean properly. And that settles the physical arguement.
Basically the crap you're talking about goes hand in hand. Stop making everything into a big issue and insulting everyone.



Thanks for the Hadeeth Fairy You're right we need to start seriously thinking about the life in the grave and the consquiences of what we do in this Dunya. Torture is ahead of many of us unless we stop the sinning. May Allah forgive us.