Prediction from 92 that actually came true ... Listen carefu

[kadarre]

Gedo boy I agree that his rule was better than what happening now. Rather have a Dictator than no Goverment. Duuh its obvious.

Those words you quoted makes me puke. The guy is actually thinking he is god's gift to Somalis and justifying his dictatorship.

Yuck

[Gedo_Boy]

not to Somalis, but he knew the game deeper than you & me and the strategy btwn Somalia/Ethiopia and all of that.

Do you think Ethiopia armed jabhads to sympathize w/ Somalis?

He knew that if those jabhads controlled Somalia it would be over for Somalia.......and so far he has not been proven wrong.

[kadarre]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]
Do you think Ethiopia armed jabhads to sympathize w/ Somalis?
[/quote]

I hope that was rhetoric question.

Offcourse he knew Somalia affair better than any of us and with that said you cant justify a dictatorship like his.

[Gedo_Boy]

you can't deflect a problem by saying he "created monsters" ........

that means you or we Somalis don't wanna take blame for anything.

You can blame him for what happened when he was leading, after that the responsibility is whoever removed it.

That's like the US saying Saddam Hussein created monsters and that is what is wrong with Iraq. That's very irresponsible.

[kadarre]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]That's like the US saying Saddam Hussein created monsters and that is what is wrong with Iraq. That's very irresponsible.[/quote]

Pass the dutch dude .

Not a good analogy. But i agree with you that he didn't create monsters but just like Sadaam he made the people who he ruled over his enemy and not just certain individuals.

[Warsame101]

Look at these kids flaunting their imparted revisionistic retrospective. M S Barre (RH) was the greatest president that Somalia ever had. A man who single handly was responsible for the Golden Age of Somalia and in turn saved the nation from the corrupt politicians of the 60's.

The man (RH) even with detoriating health attempted to appease the nation and the rebels with cabinet reshufflles and the public calling for multi-party elections which was downright rejected by the rebels. He even asked the acting president of that time, Maxamed Cali Samatar, to create a new government.

If these idiots accepted this position and his proposition, Somalia would have taken a different course but instead, consumed by their greed for power, continued with their carnage and genocide against the civilians.

Because of that, more than 500,000 Somalis perished, over 2,000,000 fled, and Xamar and other major cities were raised to the ground by none other than Caydiid and his Mooryaans.

Here is the news excerpt in early 1989 where M S Barre (RH) calls for a multi-party system.


SOMALI PRESIDENT PROPOSES ADOPTION OF MULTI-PARTY SYSTEM.
MOGADISHU, June 20, Reuter - President Mohamed Siad Barre has proposed adopting a multi-party system in Somalia, state-run Mogadishu radio said on Tuesday.

The radio said Siad Barre, who has ruled this war-torn East African country with an iron hand for 20 years, proposed the reform to the central committee of the ruling Somali Socialist Revolutionary Party (SSRP) on Monday night.

Siad Barre would also submit the proposals for a multi-party system to Somalia's one-party parliament, now in session.

Diplomats in East Africa said the move was apparently aimed at persuading rebels in the north to lay down their arms and become a legal opposition in the framework of the constitution.

Siad Barre has been striving for national reconciliation since an offensive by Somali National Movement rebels last year virtually destroyed the northern Somali town Hargeisa and caused an exodus of about 400,000 refugees to neighbouring Ethiopia.

He has also been trying to improve his government's image for western aid donors, and last January he began to implement a new International Monetary Fund structural adjustment programme.

Radio Mogadishu said his multi-party proposal was resisted by some members of the SSRP central committee and that the key policy-making body had not yet decided whether to go ahead with it, implying that there was still room for debate.

Siad Barre came to power in a bloodless coup in 1969 and has ruled Somalia as a one-party state since 1974, when he set up the SSRP as a Marxist-Leninist party.

Since Somalia shifted allegiance from Moscow to Washington in the late 1970's, the government and party have gradually dropped orthodox socialism in favour of a free market economy.

[Gedo_Boy]

What you are saying cannot be verified........if things worked out after M Siad Barre then I would be willing to admit that Somalia was better off without him.

But that's not the case....and now you say he "created monsters".....that is a cop-out......that is you not taking accountability.

Is he working for the destruction of Somalia from his grave also?

[kadarre]

Warsame.

If he made that decision earlier do you think USC and SNM would have existed?

[Gedo_Boy]

kadarre,

these plans existed b4, however with a rebellion in the country it became difficult to do that.

why do you think countries impose martial law under politically unstable circumstances?

Having said that, there were mistakes made and misssteps......

[Warsame101]

[quote="kadarre"]Warsame.

If he made that decision earlier do you think USC and SNM would have existed?[/quote]

kadarre, you are not getting the real picture. USC existed with the false pretext to "liberate" the country whilst its real aim and goal was to grab power for the Hawiye clan. SNM were also consumed with power whilst half of them fought against the likes of Morgan et la. SNM's real grudge was not against the marxuumka but against the atrocities commited by some of the people stationed there. This does not mean that SNM was not to blame since they also equally share the blame of massacring thousands of innocenents.

The fact of the matter is, before Caydiid launched his major genocidal offensive, he was offered along with other rebel groups to take part and comply with this new public-announced proposition. Instead, they spat on it as people do who are consumed by power, and carried on with their iniquitous plan to eridicate thousands of Somalis, mainly the Daaroods.

[DawladSade]

Somebody tell these kids Caydiid was the first Somali civil war faction leader to get weapons from Ethiopia when he was depleted during the Darod war and the Abgaal just started. Will some people try to rewrite history?

[kadarre]

[quote="Warsame101"][quote="kadarre"]Warsame.

If he made that decision earlier do you think USC and SNM would have existed?[/quote]

kadarre, you are getting not getting the real picture. USC existed with the false pretext to "liberate" the country whilst its real aim and goal was to grab power for the Hawiye clan. SNM were also consumed with power whilst half of them fought against the likes of Morgan et la. SNM's real grudge was not against the marxuumka but against the atrocities commited by some of the people stationed there. This does not mean that SNM was not to blame since they also equally share the blame of massacring thousands of innocenents.

The fact of the matter is, before Caydiid launched his major genocidal offensive, he was offered along with other rebel groups to take part and comply with this new public-announced proposition. Instead, they spat on it as people do who are consumed by power, and carried on with their iniquitous plan to eridicate thousands of Somalis, mainly the Daaroods.[/quote]

It is awfull of you to throw Darood Massacring into it but really would it have been possible if Mr Barre kept the Somali people in general happy?USC was able to claim that were liberating the country because of Barre. He was unpopular and almost no one stood up for him when he was suddenly deposed off. Does that tell you enough?

You know yourself that Caydiid spat on it because he wanted to be like Barre who was equally greedy for power untill forced to spit some of it out.

[kadarre]

[quote="DawladSade"]Somebody tell these kids Caydiid was the first Somali civil war faction leader to get weapons from Ethiopia when he was depleted during the Darod war and the Abgaal just started. Will some people try to rewrite history? [/quote]

I am not even defending Ceydiid and how am i trying to rewrite history? Plus when did C Yusuf come with Ethiopia to Balanbale?

[Warsame101]

[quote="kadarre"]

It is awfull of you to throw Darood Massacring into it but really would it have been possible if Mr Barre kept the Somali people in general happy?USC was able to claim that were liberating the country because of Barre. He was unpopular and almost no one stood up for him when he was suddenly deposed off. Does that tell you enough?

You know yourself that Caydiid spat on it because he wanted to be like Barre who was equally greedy for power untill forced to spit some of it out.[/quote]


How is it awful since It was a reality that I had to witness. Whilst you were chilling in Galgaduud or wherever the hell you're from, Caydiid and his drugged Mooryaans were targetting babies and fleeing Daarood women.

USC dupped their kinsmen with propagandic thoughts and reports and tales of warbooties to gain their support. This is why Caydiid was able to recruit 8/10-yearolds in his Mooryaan army with ease. This is why, after he captured Xamar, proclaimed himself President which caused a rift between other rebel groups' power dominiation goals.

Most Reuters news reports carry Somali statements taken during the onslaught where they long for the peace and the great rule of M S Barre and this was a few months in to the civil war, what about now.

[sadeboi]

I laugh when I hear that Siyaad Bare (aun) is the reason why we are in this situation. Do you guys know that Siyaad Bare (aun) and Mengistu toppled around the same time? So why did Ethiopia, who are about 50 million people, different groups, and different religions continue to stay together and we could not? Aduun!


The SSDF= qabil power, they wanted the 60's back
The SNM= khat fighters, and later it turned into the whole economic thing and being sidelined.
The USC= followers, who did not know what they were fighting for, thus is why they became moryons.


Siyaad Bare (aun) was trying to save us from these three rebel movements, but they succeeded and this is why we are in the situation we are in today.