Imam Axmed Guray and the Habar Magaadi connection

[Voltage]

His last name is also part of Marehan abtiris Adam-Bari (Adam of East) which we all belong to. My only conclusion is second name is a misnomer.

[CoolPoisons]

Emperior tuug la qabtay talo ma leh

all this intu magaca ka keenay from this Hutu blog ayuu yiri, buuga so qaaday

if i put a piece of fatuh al habash in here on somalinet like i did ma waxad odhan Waxa ka keentay somalinet caqli xumma wuxu Adeer goita tigray bu ahayee Dadka ha waalin

im still laughing

intu ka copygareeyey a blog ayuu yiri buug aya ka keenay

give me the page number. ive the book right here. pagenumberka ii si

[CoolPoisons]

Emperior im waiting. where's the pagenumber oo ku qoran magacaas?

[Voltage]

Goita is not a name, lol

In ancient times, Goita was a title of petty Tigrean/Wollo local Nobility; today in Tigray language it means chief.
Probably, Hirabu too was a title...
Its a whole new perspective for those interested in studying the region's history...

B.

Interresting .

Do you know that the term "Garaad" is also used by Amhara as a traditional leader?

[abdalla11]

Abdalle read the last part about the geri and their sultan

It only mentions that they reached the tribe of geri and their leader was mataan ibn cuthmaan. The imam ordered mataan ibn cuthmaan assomaali to go to a place called siim or saim. and the sister of imam ahmed (firdousah) was with their leader (probably mataan cuthmaan) and they reached a tribe called zarbah and their leader was muhammed ibn cammah al-imam. Marka his sister was married to mataan cuthmaan the geri koombe.

[bareento]

The Semitic element in the Horn African Muslim states prior to the 16TH century is overlooked...
Probably Semites were living deeply in today Somali inhabited areas.

Garaaad is NOT an Amharic title
Its a title of ancient Ethiopian muslim Sultanates...the last to use it was the Harar Sultanate
Many Hararghe Oromos had this title...but its really a small title
only Somalis glorify this title

B.

[CoolPoisons]

Ahmed Hirabe was also called Garad

magaciis buuxda was Garad Ahmed Hirabe

[Twisted_Logic]

langaabyadan eega

they wont even say xagee ka keenan magaca. just laughing like a little dhoocils oo cuqdad ka buuxo

His name was Garad Ahmed ibn Hirabo meeshe ku qorantahay.

I have totally lost track of this topic.

Twisted, there is an unwritten rule in the world of history. The closer the source is to the period discussed, the more reliable.

What you are quoting is a poor translated abridged version of Futuh Habashi, published in 2003.

What I quoted is the original book written by Pankhurst 150 years, which in turn contains the lost Arabic documents that cannot be found else where.

First name first of all was Garaad Axmed bin Hiraabu (see underlined text straight from Pankhurst's work):


Secondly, Pankhurst writes:
Les Somalis fatigues de voir leurs troupeux enleves et leur pays devaste se rendirent aupres de l'Imam ayant a leur tete leur chef Harabuwah (Hirabu). Ainsi, tous les Somalis avec leur chef firent la paix avec l'Imam, une paix parfaite et sincere. A la suite de cela, L'Imam, fit des preparatifs pour une guerre sainte (Jihad); il avait en vue l'Abyssinie. Les Somalis avec leur chef Harabuwah etaient maintenant soumis a son autorite(I).



Roughly translated as:

The Somalis, weary of the destruction inflicted on them went to the Imaam (Imaam Axmed), led by their (chosen) leader Hirabu. The Somalis with their leader concluded a complete peace with the Imaam.

After this, the Imaam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu.

Finally, the 2003 abridged source that you are quoting says:

After this, the Imam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu

which you conviently left out.

In summary, Somalis had 2 main leaders, Imaam Axmed Gurey and Imaam Nuur ibn Mujaahid. One main chieftain Hiraabu and several mini chieftains such as Garaad Daawuud of the Habar Magaadle and Garaad Mataan of the Gerri Koombe.

waa yahay, ka waran marka magaca goita tedros? ma waxaa la dhihi jiray ahmed hirabu goita tedros?

None sense. Why reference Pankhurst who wrote his book centuries after the actual event when we have the Conquest of Abyssinia written at the time of the event? Warsame used that silly argument but we left the crude irony to sink in, and here you are using his defeated argument as a source while at the same time accusing someone else of copying and pasting without reading? The audacity of this fool is just unbelievable

The Marehan chief was mentioned as Hirabu bin Goita Tedros bin Adam Unless you are saying that the writer of the Conquest of Abyssinia had a beef against your little clan and so forged the name of your clan chief, we have no reason to doubt the authenticity of Fathul-habash.

Goita has been translated as

*: (160) Goita or Goyta, the Tegrenya for ‘master’ or ‘lord’, Francesco da Bassano, Vocabolario tigray-italiano, col.883, seems to have been sometimes used as a title and sometimes as a personal name.

That still leaves his name as Hirabu Tedros Adam

Don't think that is a Somali name.

[Twisted_Logic]

Emperior tuug la qabtay talo ma leh

all this intu magaca ka keenay from this Hutu blog ayuu yiri, buuga so qaaday

if i put a piece of fatuh al habash in here on somalinet like i did ma waxad odhan Waxa ka keentay somalinet caqli xumma wuxu Adeer goita tigray bu ahayee Dadka ha waalin

I am laughing at the fact that this accusation is being leveled by the same camp that NEVER mentions the books they get their misquoted and misplaced sources from. I have said it before. Reverse psychology is their only weapon beyond that the facts sink in

[Twisted_Logic]

So my theory is plausible that the mareexaan were one of the few if not the only clan under a non-somali command. There's no way i believe goita tedros is somali. Just google the name and you will end up in eritrean websites, bal google translation ka firiya what goita tedros means

Why were the other Somali clan-chiefs being called by Somali titles while the Marehan chief is called by an Ethiopian title? This is really curious

[CoolPoisons]

^^ Hutuboy, warsame's above Ur level

his evidence's undeniable. pankhust wrote that book 150 years ago and Ur using book la tarjumay in 2003. typicial Hutu intelligence

Ur langaab ass clan were still calld Hawiye even in 1500 when Marehan was called Marehan

tell me the page of where magaca's mentioned U dumb hutu

[Twisted_Logic]

^^ Hutuboy, warsame's above Ur level

his evidence's undeniable. pankhust wrote that book 150 years ago and Ur using book la tarjumay in 2003. typicial Hutu intelligence

Ur langaab ass clan were still calld Hawiye even in 1500 when Marehan was called Marehan

tell me the page of where magaca's mentioned U dumb hutu

I don't compete with cannibals. Unlike the little plagiarist that misquotes and misuses and even hides the sources for his claims, some of us study history purely from historical prism and not to rewrite it as your illiterate mentor is doing. Of course you would be wowed. You are an imbecile ignorant fool that can't even read more than two sentences and so it is hilarious to me how you would even ask for page numbers when you have never opened an English book in your life. Actually, I even doubt that you ever saw an English Book in your entire pathetic Jahil life. So GTFOH with that silly requests.

Unlike your coward clan, Hawiye voluntarily joined the war and fought bravely. On the other hand, your clan made excuses to fight, then Ahmed Gurey sent his army to speak sense to them, then when the war was about to start actually fled the battle-field. You have always been cowards

”The army camped around the city (Harar; my own barracks), with each tribe being kept apart from the others. The tribe of the Marraihan was, however, wavering. Their chieftain was a man fond of intrigue and procrastination. Extremely wily, he loved double-dealing and swindles. The imam organised some of his soldiers and went to the Marraihan and confronted Hirabu and his tribe and said to him: ‘Why are you lagging behind in coming on the jihad? Hirabu complained about his plight, and excused himself on the grounds of his poverty-stricken state.

”Now, having finished this, let us return to the earlier narrative, and look at what happened during the Somali campaign.When news of the imam’s leaving for the outlying provinces of Abyssinia reached them, a certain person, by name Hirabu, a chief of one of the Somali tribes called Marraihan, had arrived half-way along the route to the country of Harar. After verifying the departure of the imam to the land of Abbyssinia, he doubled back and returned to his own country.”

[CoolPoisons]

^^ Bantu boi, U still havent told me the page number

hadalo calaacal ha ii keenin. Meeshan dood ayaa ka socdo.

[Twisted_Logic]

^^ Bantu boi, U still havent told me the page number

hadalo calaacal ha ii keenin. Meeshan dood ayaa ka socdo.

You will find the page number useless because you are illiterate

[CoolPoisons]

^^ Bantu boi, U still havent told me the page number

hadalo calaacal ha ii keenin. Meeshan dood ayaa ka socdo.

You will find the page number useless because you are illiterate

case closed

this what happens when U talk to bantu dameer about history