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Not a chance. People like her don't listen. They are just like my aunt. Possessed of self-righteousness. It's disgusting. You give it your best shot, but you might as well be talking to an ape. I'm telling you, you are trying to reason with a person who won't accept reason.

[quote="MAD MAC"]Not a chance. People like her don't listen. They are just like my aunt. Possessed of self-righteousness. It's disgusting. You give it your best shot, but you might as well be talking to an ape. I'm telling you, you are trying to reason with a person who won't accept reason.[/quote]

you are so funny mad biaj that is what You are take a look again what u just wrote

[quote="MAD MAC"]Not a chance. People like her don't listen." They are just like my aunt. Possessed of self-righteousness. It's disgusting. You give it your best shot, but you might as well be talking to an ape. I'm telling you, you are trying to reason with a person who won't accept reason.[/quote]

You are far more dogmatic than anyone you have talked to in here. You don't see that fact about you. All your intrasigence and making issues indurate have basis on your preconcieved notions about people you are dealing with in the forums. You have called her an ape, a b!tich, god knows what else I haven't seen you wrote about her, yet you think you are the cosmopolite nonmuslim who is better than her. Typical of you man.

[quote="Gamadid."][quote="MAD MAC"]Not a chance. People like her don't listen." They are just like my aunt. Possessed of self-righteousness. It's disgusting. You give it your best shot, but you might as well be talking to an ape. I'm telling you, you are trying to reason with a person who won't accept reason.[/quote]

You are far more dogmatic than anyone you have talked to in here. You don't see that fact about you. All your intrasigence and making issues indurate have basis on your preconcieved notions about people you are dealing with in the forums. You have called her an ape, a b!tich, god knows what else I haven't seen you wrote about her, yet you think you are the cosmopolite nonmuslim who is better than her. Typical of you man.[/quote]

Those are the ramifications of a lifetime spent in the military following orders, and fighting for causes you don't believe in. Like cops, it's almost impossible for them to adapt to cilvilian life. Most are usually rife with domestic unrest and vice. Just examine the suicide rates amongst former soldiers and law enforcement officers. MUCH higher than the national average.

Gamadid: let's state the facts.

Me, for example: I felt in love with a muslim girl, a Moroccan, so beautiful girl. We were living together for more than three years, committing all the sins, making love, drinking alcohol, she being in top less in the beaches. Just a girl, as all the girls.

Then it was the gossip she was an slut, a muslim slut, going out with a kaffir and the old shit.

Her father came to Spain, kidnapped her and forced her to marry a muslim guy her father has chose for her: a violent muslim guy, who loved cocaine, beating women, drinking alcohol, going with prostitutes, but "muslim" because he was born in Tanger. She was forced to marry him and attempted to suicide. At this news, I flew there. No way.

I wan't allow to visit my wife. Otherwise, I would be killed. I said I didn't care a shit if I was killed. Then the father said if I went to the hospital, he could kill her own daughter. I was back to my corner. I wouldn't allow her father to kill her. He was a muslim fanatic, he could kill his own daughter.

I came back to Spain.

Her daddy preferred a Moroccan guy going with prostitutes, beating her,drinking alcohol and being a muslim guy, instead some "Kuffir". It was the first time I heard this word, "kuffir". I understood the hipocresy of Islam.

She tried twice to commit suicide again.

Finally, I gave it up. Family, father and Islam won. She's an slut because she loved me. At the end of the day, I'm a kuffir. All that shit. Bla, bla bla.

That's the reason I'm 2000 light years from home.

I can be romantic. But I can't be stupid.

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Kamal blame the marroccan culture and here father but not Islam plus your story could be treu but it could be a big lie aswell

kamaal why on earth are you blaming islam. did you ask yourself if her father's actions is guided by islam or not. her father was following his own culture which has nothing to do with islam, yes according to islam that girl was committing sin by living with a man that is not her husband, but her also her father has no right to force his daughter into marriage, because islam gives women right to choose, also he has no right to kill her. but it is beyond me why non-muslims always blame islam for the actions of any muslim . are people so stupid that they really do believe 1.5 billion muslims follow islam 100% .

muslimSiz i wish for once in your posts you will answer the questions that you're asked instead of cutting and pasting.

You will notice that we are WAY, WAY, WAY into this thread, and she has yet to post an answer to my question. The reason is, she can't. She has no explanation.

As for me being dogmatic - God damn right I am. I know I am right. Don't believe it, don't think it, I know it.

[quote="MAD MAC"]You will notice that we are WAY, WAY, WAY into this thread, and she has yet to post an answer to my question. The reason is, she can't. She has no explanation.

As for me being dogmatic - God damn right I am. I know I am right. Don't believe it, don't think it, I know it.[/quote]

Allow the woman some time she'll eventually come up with a antiphon.

SomalisZz your doing a astonishing job enlightening these kafirs.
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[quote="MAD MAC"]Gamdid
She's a B!tch. No getting around it. Another **** kid who think she knows every **** thing. One of those condescending bastards the world is polluted with. I wish they were all dead.[/quote]
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waryaa! come the fock down!!! and like gamadid told you, you know the answer so take a chill pill., or ask your somali friends to get you a marduuf qaad'a.

Give the girl some time? How much time does she need?

[quote="Galol"]hambalayo/JustMuslims

Great posts. It makes such a great change to see intelligent, articulate Muslims defending their faith's positive human values and challenging the literalist wahabbists and their brainwashed followers.

Islam like other faiths was a human attempt to improve the lot of mankind not to make it worse. But like all human endeavours it contains within itself a mass of contradictions because it inevitably reflects man's good and evil side.

Which values, sentiments and ideas you take from this mass of often contradictory jumble of views and opinions is largely determined by what values each individual and by extension his society upholds most. So for example if a particular society has harsh or negative norms of behaviour like intolerance or hatred or xenophobia it will plenty of those within any belief system and they will adopt those because it dovetails with their own values formed by a range of societal, economic, educational, climatic and cultural core ingredients. If on the other hand a society has an inclination for tolerance and kindness again formed by a mirror image of same above social building blocks it will find tolerance and goodness in any belief system.

In other words we make god in our own image not the other way round. Your god and your faith is clearly a tolerant and loving one because these are your own individual and it appears your immediate household's values so you pick those from the jumble of ideas that is Islam. Others choose to pick the other ingredients because that fits in with their own views. The struggle is which group becomes dominates in the long-term.

This fight for Islam's soul is going on all over the world. Alas, those choosing negativity are on the ascendance at the moment. But the fight back has clearly begun and the battles joined. You do not know it but you are a warrior for ideas and in my view you are on the good side.[/quote]

galol, thankyou for you kind words. coming from a family of mixed beliefs, it's important for me to have an open mind and heart. not to sound conceited or anything. it's sad to think that I even have to defend my faith, especially when the people who are causing division and hatred are the Muslims themselves who have taken it upon themselves to interpret things 'their way' (no offense) . Islam is not a religion you can pick at, and just choose the things that suit you for example polygamy or celebrating Eid. It's a religion that should be embraced wholly, with an open heart and mind and the understanding that it is a moderate religion, not a religion that should negatively influence your life. after all, Islam is a way of life, and no one wants to live a negative life.

justmuslima, sis i loved reading your replies, i couldn't have said it better. may Allah reward you