Happy 21st Of October (42 years and Counting...)

[Cumar-Labasuul]

says the 'guy' who 'pretends' he's a girl and types in pink font

PINKBOY

[accident]

Will we drop this soon? Or will we carry on for a few weeks and then repeat it next year?

Tune in, next time on SomaliNet's retards.

[ZubeirAwal]

Oi landers, why da fok r you arguing with homeless bastards, when they are asked:
Do you ever go to your home country: they are confused
when they ask me: I say proudly i visit my mansion in Somaliland
when they look in the news they see this

When i look at ma news i look at dat








they are simply sad and jelous that we are striving, untill they get rid of that jelousy and keep bringing back 1988 as they did on this thread then maybe they can see peace but for now i see somalia (south) in a cursed state.

[Knight of Wisdom]

says the 'guy' who 'pretends' he's a girl and types in pink font

PINKBOY

I'll type in whatever font I please.

[Knight of Wisdom]

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[Knight of Wisdom]

Here is something I dedicated to 21kii Octoobar ee 1969.


Rag wa Ragii hore, hadalna wa intu yidhi.
Guulwade wa Siyaad, Abihii Qowmada Somaliyeed.
Xisbii wa SRC, Hantiwadagii umada Somaliyeed.
Xornimo wa July 1960kii, Talona wa 21kii Octoobar ee 1969kii.
Geysnimo wa Siyaad, Xukuna wa Kacaankii.
Wadana wa Somalia, Dawladiina wa Somali Revolutionary Council.
Madaxweyne wa Major General President Muhammad Siyaad Barre,
Calana wa ka bluuga ah, ee xidigta cad dhexda ku leh, luqadna wa Somali.
Waxan ka dhashtay ragii dhulka hantiiyey, sida nimankii Ahmed Gurey, Darwiish iyo Kacaankii 21kii Octoobar.
Allow uu naxariiso Madaxweyne Muhammad Siyaad Barre iyo ragii dacada aha ee Dawladii Kacaanka !



























Mogadishu, Somalia During Dawladii Kacaanka.





Hergaysa, Somalia During Dawladii Kacaanka.



Somali Airlines, Commercial Airliner Dawladii Kacaanka





Somali Airforce, Dawladii Kacaanka




Here is Ibrahim Meygag Samatar (April 1981): Serving under Dawladii Siyaad Barre ee Kacaankii 21kii Octoobar. Siilaanyo was part of it too.







Happy 21 Octoobar, Countrymen. Add your Tributes !!

[ZubeirAwal]

i've added mine already, looks like your shemale ass is to scared to witness it, give up son, Somalia is a shithole, heck hadu Siad maantu noola he would say it himself!,you've shamed yourself against your master
would siad let ethiopia invade and destroy mogadishu done by an OFFICIAL somali president?
would siad let ethiopia cross in an out to arm ahlul sunna wal jamaca?
would siad let kenya invade with air and ground forces past through kismayo and beyond?
would siad let western countries control and choose american friendly presidents?
would siad let countries dump toxic waste on your waters
would siad become american friendly(puppet state)

this is what Somalia is today, and i would be fuckin ashamed as an iraqi,libyan,afghan to admit this thank god im a somalilander but u fam, your fucked in the head, somalia died when SNM,USC destroyed the former dictator regime .


PUT THAT IN UR HEART

[Jaidi]

Barre alone didnt do good. The government consisted of a lot of educated individuals one of whom was Siilanyo as the Minister of Planning who made a lot of positive changes but neither did Barre do bad alone.

Siilaanyo was taking orders from General. Maxamed Cali Samatar, let alone Vice President Hussein Kulmiye or President Siyaad Barre. Recognize, Niggah.

Gen. M.A. Samatar was a very hard working, honest, and competent man who climbed the ranks entirely by merit. Can't help but respect Barre for his leadership in recognizing this

At his best he showed more vision and transcended the typical Somali models in his decisions.

[Based]

Your first question does not make sense. *Now it does. If you clearly read I said, whether they supported by heart or actions, so not every isaaq was physically involved in SNM.*

Listen you cannot attack a clan and plan to displace them, why did they plan to remove them even before the war started? If thats not clannism then I dont know what it is.

Barre should have left simply because the majority of the people did not want him. The government was failing it was not the same as before. Eventually you will not require outside help to remove your dictator you will do a Libyan and remove him yourself. You cannot sustain power for long when there are large dissidents in your population, it has to give way.
As for Ethiopia. They are happy for the death of any Somali, but that does not make the Somali Government more lovable or tolerable to the people.

Rebel groups enter a city to fight with soldiers/troops stationed there and the solution is aerial-bombard the whole city. Disproportionate use of force. But it didnt matter to the gov. if innocents were killed as they already decided that there were no innocents.

You wrote, "But because SNM was supported whether by heart or actions by the Isaaq, it was eventually a government vs clan war". Most people (if you speak English) would interpret that to mean the entire clan were accessories (not that I'm claiming that). No one planned to move anybody, nor did anybody attempt to "displace" them before or after the war. The SNM chose to attack a city full of civilians and chose to turn it into a battlefield, hence they bear at the very least partial responsibility for any collateral damage. I feel like I'm continuously repeating myself, but once again, what country on the planet would negotiate with a rebel group funded, trained, and armed by foreigners who seek to destabilize your country? I understand that there were grievances against the government, but becoming a pawn of Mengistu doesn't seem like a good position from which to negotiate.

Do you honestly expect a government to acquiesce to the demands of a foreign proxy? Would you negotiate with a fifth column? I do not necessarily agree with the methods used to repel the invasion, but I doubt any country would hesitate to use force against rebels who invaded your cities and towns and who sought to overthrow your government on behalf of your mortal enemy.

[Babygirl-]

[Saraxnow]

Your first question does not make sense. *Now it does. If you clearly read I said, whether they supported by heart or actions, so not every isaaq was physically involved in SNM.*

Listen you cannot attack a clan and plan to displace them, why did they plan to remove them even before the war started? If thats not clannism then I dont know what it is.

Barre should have left simply because the majority of the people did not want him. The government was failing it was not the same as before. Eventually you will not require outside help to remove your dictator you will do a Libyan and remove him yourself. You cannot sustain power for long when there are large dissidents in your population, it has to give way.
As for Ethiopia. They are happy for the death of any Somali, but that does not make the Somali Government more lovable or tolerable to the people.

Rebel groups enter a city to fight with soldiers/troops stationed there and the solution is aerial-bombard the whole city. Disproportionate use of force. But it didnt matter to the gov. if innocents were killed as they already decided that there were no innocents.

You wrote, "But because SNM was supported whether by heart or actions by the Isaaq, it was eventually a government vs clan war". Most people (if you speak English) would interpret that to mean the entire clan were accessories (not that I'm claiming that). No one planned to move anybody, nor did anybody attempt to "displace" them before or after the war. The SNM chose to attack a city full of civilians and chose to turn it into a battlefield, hence they bear at the very least partial responsibility for any collateral damage. I feel like I'm continuously repeating myself, but once again, what country on the planet would negotiate with a rebel group funded, trained, and armed by foreigners who seek to destabilize your country? I understand that there were grievances against the government, but becoming a pawn of Mengistu doesn't seem like a good position from which to negotiate.

Do you honestly expect a government to acquiesce to the demands of a foreign proxy? Would you negotiate with a fifth column? I do not necessarily agree with the methods used to repel the invasion, but I doubt any country would hesitate to use force against rebels who invaded your cities and towns and who sought to overthrow your government on behalf of your mortal enemy.

So if some people belonging to a group (clan) by intentions (not actions) support a movement they should be punished? This is the point I am making.The ''SSC movement'' for example, it would be wrong to persecute every Dhulbahante simply because of SSC.

I knew you would deny the regime's responsibility in planning to displace Isaq from their cities especially Burco and Hargeisa! There are historic accounts of ogaden ''refugees'' being resettled in large numbers in the cities and land and property was being given to them. When the Isaaq civilians fled into Ethiopia and became refugees themselves, ogadens were fighting over who gets what hotel and house.They thought they would remain there forever before the SNM made a come-back and returned them unharmed by the truck-loads to Ethiopia.

Well I feel like Im repeating myself too. Once again, I said a gov. has the right to fight back threats but disproportionate use of force? Systematic targeting of clan-members/civilians even if there is no proof they provide help to the SNM? Displacing them from their lands?

'The enemy of my enemy is my friend', the SNM was not given a choice, Barre and Mengistu later made a deal to expel the SNM from Ethiopia which forced them to fight from the inside. Which ironically was bad for the regime's future.

You said ''collateral damage''. LOL. This isnt Iraq, wipe your crocodile tears and save it. Bottom line is, you agree that bombing a city was a justified act because rebels are '' in hiding'' and that the gov. was never clannish, whereas I do not. This is exactly the excuse that the Israelis came up with when they attacked Gaza.

All Barre had to do was leave, majority of the population was against him.Period.

[Based]

Listen you cannot attack a clan and plan to displace them, why did they plan to remove them even before the war started? If thats not clannism then I dont know what it is.

Barre should have left simply because the majority of the people did not want him. The government was failing it was not the same as before. Eventually you will not require outside help to remove your dictator you will do a Libyan and remove him yourself. You cannot sustain power for long when there are large dissidents in your population, it has to give way.
As for Ethiopia. They are happy for the death of any Somali, but that does not make the Somali Government more lovable or tolerable to the people.

Rebel groups enter a city to fight with soldiers/troops stationed there and the solution is aerial-bombard the whole city. Disproportionate use of force. But it didnt matter to the gov. if innocents were killed as they already decided that there were no innocents. So if some people belonging to a group (clan) by intentions (not actions) support a movement they should be punished? This is the point I am making.The ''SSC movement'' for example, it would be wrong to persecute every Dhulbahante simply because of SSC.

I knew you would deny the regime's responsibility in planning to displace Isaq from their cities especially Burco and Hargeisa! There are historic accounts of ogaden ''refugees'' being resettled in large numbers in the cities and land and property was being given to them. When the Isaaq civilians fled into Ethiopia and became refugees themselves, ogadens were fighting over who gets what hotel and house.They thought they would remain there forever before the SNM made a come-back and returned them unharmed by the truck-loads to Ethiopia.

Well I feel like Im repeating myself too. Once again, I said a gov. has the right to fight back threats but disproportionate use of force? Systematic targeting of clan-members/civilians even if there is no proof they provide help to the SNM? Displacing them from their lands?

'The enemy of my enemy is my friend', the SNM was not given a choice, Barre and Mengistu later made a deal to expel the SNM from Ethiopia which forced them to fight from the inside. Which ironically was bad for the regime's future.

You said ''collateral damage''. LOL. This isnt Iraq, wipe your crocodile tears and save it. Bottom line is, you agree that bombing a city was a justified act because rebels are '' in hiding'' and that the gov. was never clannish, whereas I do not. This is exactly the excuse that the Israelis came up with when they attacked Gaza.

All Barre had to do was leave, majority of the population was against him.Period.

Once again, you misinterpret my post.

"But because SNM was supported whether by heart or actions by the Isaaq, it was eventually a government vs clan war"

You clearly claimed that the SNM was supported by the entire Isaaq clan, then you claimed that the government repelled the SNM invasion because of their clan affiliation. The SNM, an Ethiopian proxy group, decided to invade Northern Somalia. According to your own statement, the entire Isaaq clan supported this invasion. The government, as any rational government would do, responded to this existential threat by sending the armed forces to repel the invasion and to protect their sovereignty. Like I said, the SNM decided to turn a peaceful city into an urban combat zone and ultimately bear some (obviously not all) responsibility when it comes to civilian casualties. Collateral damage is generally understood to be a term that denotes unintentional damage or harm, so I don't get the "crocodile tears" accusation. Like I said in the other post, I do not necessarily agree with the heavy handed tactics used by the SNA, but no country in the world would tolerate an invasion by a neighboring country's proxy. The Israeli analogy is pretty unfair, since Palestinians are not citizens of Israel nor are the West Bank and Gaza Israeli territories while the SNM were ethnic Somalis being used as pawns by a foreign government.

I am not naive, nor am I claiming that the government was faultless. People generally do not rebel against their nation without (what they feel are) legitimate grievances. The old government was obviously not very democratic, but like I said, no government in the world would just "go" because of the demands of rebel groups who are working on behalf of foreign forces. I'm not even going to deny the fact that the SNM felt like they were fighting for their people, but you must understand that the people they worked for were puppet masters using them for their own ends. The events that transpired were regrettable and I wish there had been some sort of reconciliation prior to escalating hostilities, but unfortunately that was not the case. I highly doubt I can ever convince you of the ex-government's need to defend their sovereignty, nor can you convince me that the SNM was a noble jihaad against communists, so I think we should just say AUN to all the dead and agree to disagree.