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Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:23 pm
by union
Coeus, the Islamist sympathizers have made a rather poor showing in this thread, haven't they?
Their inability to come up with a cogent argument as to why we should have an Islamist state, other than some incoherent jibble jabble that boils down to "cuz god says so", demonstrates that they will not succeed in establishing their al qadea fantasyland.
Let's leave them w/ some quotes from Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, hero of secularism and conqueror of the calphihate:
Religion is an important institution. A nation without religion cannot survive. Yet it is also very important to note that religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to Islam. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion.
The nation has placed its faith in the precept that all laws should be inspired by actual needs here on earth as a basic fact of national life.
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:29 pm
by MrSinister
Secular Somalia

Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:35 pm
by metamorphosis
The government is secular but it allows religion intervention in some cases. Both system are used. Thats for shirib.
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:36 pm
by Coeus
union wrote:Coeus, the Islamist sympathizers have made a rather poor showing in this thread, haven't they?
Their inability to come up with a cogent argument as to why we should have an Islamist state, other than some incoherent jibble jabble that boils down to "cuz god says so", demonstrates that they will not succeed in establishing their al qadea fantasyland.
Let's leave them w/ some quotes from Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, hero of secularism and conqueror of the calphihate:
Religion is an important institution. A nation without religion cannot survive. Yet it is also very important to note that religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to Islam. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion.
The nation has placed its faith in the precept that all laws should be inspired by actual needs here on earth as a basic fact of national life.
Very beutiful quotes, Kemal was a visionary in a declining empire, and he saw the importance of carving out Turkey before losing all of it to Armenians and russians.
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:36 pm
by ManD333q
Based wrote:Isn't Somaliland avowedly secular?

Not really.. the law is based on Islam. I don't think they have any laws that goes against islamic teaching.
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:37 pm
by Coeus
Shirib wrote:Coeus,
Get your bottles buddy, we're gonna party it up, get drunk till we get numb

no

Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:37 pm
by union
ManD333q wrote:Based wrote:Isn't Somaliland avowedly secular?

Not really.. the law is based on Islam. I don't think they have any laws that goes against islamic teaching.
Except letting go a fornicator, right?
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:37 pm
by Shirib
metamorphosis wrote:The government is secular but it allows religion intervention in some cases. Both system are used. Thats for shirib.
I don't know how that even works, can you be more specific, possibly give examples?
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:38 pm
by Shirib
union wrote:ManD333q wrote:Based wrote:Isn't Somaliland avowedly secular?

Not really.. the law is based on Islam. I don't think they have any laws that goes against islamic teaching.
Except letting go a fornicator, right?
No 4 witnesses. Man was innocent. Evidence doesn't fit in place of witnesses.
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:40 pm
by Keyblade
metamorphosis wrote:The government is secular but it allows religion intervention in some cases. Both system are used. Thats for shirib.
Kinda like Malaysia. Has its own secular constitution, but also has parallel shariah legislature that only applies to Muslims. Banking was mentioned in this thread, and you can see both Islamic and 'normal' banks here...for example. @shirib
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:41 pm
by Shirib
Coeus wrote:Shirib wrote:Coeus,
Get your bottles buddy, we're gonna party it up, get drunk till we get numb

no

at least a toast
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:41 pm
by Coeus
^
Salafism
When a porn video is not enough evidence, but 4 witness are.
That should be a meme

Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:41 pm
by Coeus
Keyblade wrote:metamorphosis wrote:The government is secular but it allows religion intervention in some cases. Both system are used. Thats for shirib.
Kinda like Malaysia. Has its own secular constitution, but also has parallel shariah legislature that only applies to Muslims. Banking was mentioned in this thread,
and you can see both Islamic and 'normal' banks here...for example. @shirib
My point all along. But voltage doesnt get it.
Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:43 pm
by ManD333q
union wrote:ManD333q wrote:Based wrote:Isn't Somaliland avowedly secular?

Not really.. the law is based on Islam. I don't think they have any laws that goes against islamic teaching.
Except letting go a fornicator, right?
I don't associate with your kinds so pls don't address me

Re: I want a secular Somalia
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:45 pm
by union
ManD333q wrote:union wrote:ManD333q wrote:
Not really.. the law is based on Islam. I don't think they have any laws that goes against islamic teaching.
Except letting go a fornicator, right?
I don't associate with your kinds so pls don't address me

But you do associate with German perverts, don't you my little plum
