MidriGeez wrote:i am not really talking about the 16th century, i am focusing more on the 4th and 5th century AD. apart from north somaliland till this day there hasn't been an extensive artifact evidence shown of an existence to a city or a settlement in what today interior somali region nor what is ogaden region dating back to that time. i would claim bilaal as an eritrean anyday and i would never shy of it, He had an ethiopian origin most likely his parent or ancestor captured in one of the raids against the Animist somali or oromo Savages at that timeMeyleSamaale wrote:You must be smoking some good shit.MidriGeez wrote:
well that is the problem, according to all the sources that Ethiopians were battling animist/pagan tribes in the south and south east of north ethiopia and every source claim that it was raid and counter raid till the ethiopians cemented their invasion later in time, the problem is there was no civilization nor cities belonging to those groups as their movement was fully Nomadic in nature and used hit and run tactic, in short there was nothing to occupy or defend in south or south east ethiopia 1500 years ago, which makes me more convinced that Bilal RA parents might have been captured in one of those skirmishes. There was a fully slave trade between the ethiopian habesh king and arabian tribes, so if Bilaal Parents were sold as slaves they either have to be from the sea kingdom Confiderncy or southern ethiopian tribes which includes somali. Bilaal parents didn't speak tigre or Geez the tongue of the agazians rather Arabic and unspecified Language, if they spoke geez they would have found a way to unslave themselves since the Himyar prince was an ally and frequent visitor to the Sea kingdom and even had pacts to free any slaves obtained from sea kingdoms. Remember that 50% of the Eritrean Tribes founf today was In arabia during those time, the Hidarebs (Al hidarebi), many of the habab and bani amer tribes, many of the saho tribe like asa wurta,silato,minferie and alot of the belew kelew late wave were still in arabia and around towns like taif etc, Remember that the Higaz region is named after many of those tribes Aga3z Area, my argument is Qabil name existed for people in eritrea for thousands of Years there is no way that if bilal was from Eritrea no one would mention it, there is a reason he is unknown origin because to the arabs the ethiopian southern tribes were unknown to the arabs.
Ahmed Gureys father in law raided Amhara during the 15th century. Somalis were muslim and not pagans at that time because Somalis adopted Islam approximately the 8th - 9th century. Some say even before that. Bilal was Habesh, either Ethiopian or Eritrean, deal with it. Btw there's no logic in your arguments so I rest my case.
That exactly what you were doing. You tried to connect Ahmed Gureys father in law that lived during the 15th century to events that took place during the 4th and 5th century. Thats why there's no logic in your arguments. When it comes to artifact evidence in northern Somalia/Somaliland, I can say that there hasn't been any major excavations. There were few excavations done by Russians and British archeologists in 1972 near Hobyo and they found gold, weapons, pottery and other artifacts from Ancient Egypt, Hellenistic Greece, Phoenicians and Persians. Settlements and cities existed during 4th and 5th century because Peryplus mentioned cities like Berbera (Malao) and Hafun (Opone) that he visited during the 1st and 3rd century.
You still can't prove that Bilal was Somali, so I suggest that you give it a rest because he was Habesha. The fact that his sister lived in one of the cities the Sahaba visited during the first hijra to Abyssinia is enough proof to state that Bilal was Habesh. Somalis were never under Abyssinian rule and his sister lived freely and not as a slave in Abyssinia which totally debunks your claims that his ancestors would've been captured during a raid against Somalis.
