Ciise Somaliland MP threatens Samaroon With Djibouti militar

[Oba]

no comment lool

[Khalid Ali]

siciid my man nicca im mudulood the kingdom of somalia ma garatay bahashan irir-ka the only winners are the small clans

You are correct irism was a political unit between the Late Cigaal and the late sheikh cali jimcaale both AUN when they formed a party called the SNC party in 1962 they lost with only 2 votes IN 1964.. Political Irirism is no use today since isaaq is no longer part of Somalia so no one is trying to forge an alliance with the hawiyes for government seats how ever a productive alliance can exist in another form between Somaliland and Somalia with President hassan we can work that out in details later

[Rabshoole]

Ismaaciil Cigaal Bulaale(isaaq)

Adaa Dir iyo Daarood dhex dhigay dab iyo baaruude

Dacar gelisey reerihii ahaa ul iyo diirkeede

Mugga haatan dirir uumiyuhu waa is dilayaaye

Maxamuud Dheeg (Isaaq)

Dir iyo Irir baanu nahay labada daamoode

Dabatada faraha dheer leh iyo Diini iyo Boontu

Meeshay kasoo dalabsadeen yeyga degi wayday.

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Boondoors' mentality at its finest.

[Oba]

siciid my man nicca im mudulood the kingdom of somalia ma garatay bahashan irir-ka the only winners are the small clans

You are correct irism was a political unit between the Late Cigaal and the late sheikh cali jimcaale both AUN when they formed a party called the SNC party in 1962 they lost with only 2 votes IN 1964.. Political Irirism is no use today since isaaq is no longer part of Somalia so no one is trying to forge an alliance with the hawiyes for government seats how ever a productive alliance can exist in another form between Somaliland and Somalia with President hassan we can work that out in details later

wey duuleen

[DonCorleone]

Says the kid whose Dir people claim mythical characters such as Irir Samaale but yet got screwed by the USC in Marka while they were screaming they are Irir.
That is the actual definition of what desperation is = Dir.


Not in my league.

wtf

IRIR SAMAALE EXISTED

I AM AN IRIR MAN.

Stop with the IRIR hate

or I will expose the truth

[DonCorleone]

Isaaq QAXRIS

Isaaq=Dir=Irir

PROOFS they are not arabs, ( just ask any somali jeez, but for the retarded ones born over seas and indoctrinated into the lies)

I have PROOFS from your own PEOPLE
Debate me BITCHES HAHAHA Don't claim to be adopted when you are not, it's Haraam
Sheikh Isaaq was the eldest son of Mohammed or Ahmed which is the same name since the holy prophet of Islam Mohammed was also Ahmed (SAW). Sheikh Isaaq was the eldest son of Sheikh Mohammed Xiniftire Mahe Dir. The Isaaq clan are directly related to the Bimaal , Baajimaal, Quranyow Mohammed Xinifter ( a branch of the Garre of NFD and Ethiopia) and Dabruube clans who directly descend from Dir through the line of Mahe Dir.
Isaaq Suclans
Sheikh Isaaq married one wife and had four sons with Magaado and an had four more sons with an Absyssinian Ethiopian wife Habar Habuush
Habar Magaadle

Arap

Awal (Abdulraxman)

Garxajis ( Habar Yonis and Cidagale)

Ayuub

Habar Habuush

Muse

Toljalo

Ibran

Sanbuura

Isaaq and their relationships to Southern Dir

The Mahe Dir clans and the Isaaq when in Southern Somalia act as such and many Isaaq pay the Diya ( Mag) with the above clans and they receive direct protection as cousins. Moreover, when the SNM came into existence it found most of its non-Isaaq support first from the Southern Xinifter Mahe Dir clans like Biymaal subclan Gadsan and also the non Xiniftire clans who are Mahe or other Dir groups. As a matter of fact, the Mahe Dir clans adopted in 1991 the Isaaq founded movement's name SNM adding just Southern. The Southern Somali National Movement (SSNM) was the leading Southern Dir political movement. Later the Isaaq led SNM whose chairman was Abdirahman Tuur (Habar Yonis) and the SSNM led by Abdi Warsame Isaaq of the Bimaal Gadsan Mohammed Xinifter merged with General Aideed's SNA Somali national Allience along with Omar Jess an Ogadeen general.
Somalis Universally View Isaaq as Dir
The Somalis universally consider the Isaaq as Dir and they Isaaq identifies themselves as such when in Southern Somalia. When the Barre goverment collapsed in 1990, most Southern Dir were seen in Mogadisho diffrent areas rescuing fleeing Isaaq and those who remained were protected by Dir millitias even without the asking of the Isaaq. Western scholars of Somalia all acknowledged that the Isaaq were Dir ; however, most cited that the Isaaq following the led of the Darood adopted a fictious Arab geneology.

[DonCorleone]

More Proofs and shit

In the past 10 years since Somalia was lacking a central goverment several reconciliation conferences were held in Cairo, Djibouti, Kenya and Ethiopia between 1993-2009 and all conferences a formula of 4.5, which means the four major clans Dir, Darood, Hawiye, Rahanweyn will share goverment equally. Thousands of Isaaq Ministers, Members of Parliment and Guurti or Clan elders from Habar Awal, Habar Jeclo, Habar Yonis and Arap joined these conferences and they all consider themselves as Dir men and women.
Isaaq scholars from the great Musse Galaal a mentor and silent contributor to all that I. M Lewis writes and well know, respected ex-police chief of Somalia, Mr. Jama Ghalib both respected their Dir heritage and always defended their Dir-ness. Jama Ghalib, in his book, " The Cost of Dictatorship", acknowledge the crucial financial and membership support the Isaaq dominated, SNM received from all Southern Dir groups, especially, the Mahe Dir, Mohammed Hiniftire, subclans which the Isaaq is a member of, like the Gadsan, Biimaal, Bajimaal, and Surre clans of Ethiopian region. Also, Jama Ghalib, acknowledged the Hawiye contributions.

The official UN and Kenyan Records listed over 1000 prominent Isaaq clan elders who joined the Somali Reconciliation conference in Kenya and this is one of the official lists at the begining of the conference:




Name Clan Sub Clan
Mohamud Mohamed Ali Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Hassan Badmaax Meegaag Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Jama ali matan Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
omar ali moulid Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Soleman Hussein Muse Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Mohamud Ahmed Duale Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Ahmed Ali Hsaan Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Dahir Mohamed Abdullahi Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Ali Mohamed Hashi Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Mohamed Buhi Dhegoole Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Abdullahi Hassan Mohamed Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Abdiweli Abdullahi Mohamud Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Qowdan Abdullahi Mohamud Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Suudi Elmi Hireey Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Sahra Ahmed Kariye Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Asha Ali Mahdi Dir Isak-Ciida-Gale
Name Clan Sub Clan
Omar Ali Hassan Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Ismail Ahmed Cige Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Hassan Arabala Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Abdullahi Dahir Abdi Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Abbas |Mohamud Mumin Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Sheikh Said Abdalla Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Bashir Mohamed Abdirahman Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Ahmed Abdikarim Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Hariir Adan Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Ahmed Ali Nur Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Abdullahi Ali Said Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Farah Jama Farah Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Abdirizak Mohamed Hersi Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Ismail Cadantegey Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Mohamed Abdullahi Abbas Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Ali Abdi Ahmed Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Said Abyan Hayd Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Mohamed Hersi Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Ahmed Abdirahman Mohamed Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Hassan Sheikh Ibrahil Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Yahya Ahmed Reygal Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Hawo Musse Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Safiya Hassan Qalinle Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Sahra Kahin Abdi Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Amina Osman Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Nimo Ali Hassan Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Said Yusuf Dir Issak-Habar-Yonis
Musse Ali Elmi Dir Issak-Arab
Khadar Iman Adan Dir Issak-Arab
Omar Ali Arale Dir Issak-Arab
Ahmed Iman Adan Dir Issak-Arab
Elmi Warsame Mohamed Dir Issak-Arab
Abdullahi Nur Mohamed Dir Issak-Arab
Mohamed Hassan Abdullahi Dir Issak-Arab
Amina Awil Ali Dir Issak-Arab
Yurub Raabi Osman Dir Issak-Arab
Ebado Mohamud Diriye Dir Issak-Arab
Ahmed Mohamed Guled Dir Issak-Arab
Ahmed Elmi Warsame Dir Issak-Arab
Hussein Ali Adan Dir Issak-Arab
Mohamed Ali Adan Dir Issak-Arab
Awil Ali Mahaad Dir Issak-Arab
Nimo Karrani Dir Issak-Arab
Ahmed Mohamed Omar DirIssak-Ayub
Ahmed Bajir Ahmed Dir Issak-Imran
Mohamud Abi Warsame DirIssak-Imran
Adan Ismail Roble Dir Issak-Sanbuur
Said Adan Mire Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Abdi Haji Mohamed Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Abdirizak Hussein Hassan DirIssak-Habar Je’lo
Yusuf Botan Duale Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Abdullahi Hayir Duale Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Adan Jama Duale Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Farah Subie Mohamed Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Mohamed Ismail Gedi Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Egeh Waeys Roble Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Amina Omar Jama Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Faduma Ali Abdi Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Nuro Mohamud Mohamed DirIssak-Habar Je’lo
Istar Duale Warsame Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Haweya Sahal Gedi Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Jibril Aydid Mohamed Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Abdi Osman Awale Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Ali Osman Hassan Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Abdi Saleban Biyole Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Mohamud Adan Dirir Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Hussein Ahmed Hassan DirIssak-Habar Je’lo
Warsame Jama Isse Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Ali Hassan Jama Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Ali Saleban Duale Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Abdi Ahmed Garyare Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Salah Nur Ismail Badbado Dir Issak-Habar Je’lo
Omar Haji Awad Qurshe Dir Issak
Ahmed Yusuf Shide Dir Issak
Farah Ali Shide Dir Issak
Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed Dir Issak
Mohamed Yasin Awale Dir Issak
Said Mohamed Abdullahi Dir Issak
Mohamed Ahmed Ismail Dir Issak
Hassan Ahmed Ali Dir Issak
Ahmed Ismail Osman Dir Issak
Ahmed Mohamed Adan Dir Issak
Sheikh Said Mahaad Abdalla Dir Issak
Maryan Dirir Dir Issak
Sahra Ismail Adan Dir Issak
Fowzia Hassan Dir Issak
Sahra Mohamed Farah Dir Issak
Rowda Abdullahi Diriye Dir Issak
Kaltun Ismail Adan Dir Issak
Kowsar Osman Dir Issak
Mohamed Ahmed Gaheyr Dir Issak
Omar Mohamed Abdi Dir Issak
Abdullahi Ismail Mohamed Dir Issak
Deeq Abdi Hashi Dir Issak
Said Jabril Ali Nur Dir Issak

Most of these Isaaq were business owners and others who lived in Mogdisho for a long time. Why would these prominent men claim, die, and fight along side their Dir distant cousines like the Bimaal,Suure-Cabdalle and Qubeys, Mandaluug and other northern Dir clans like the Issas and Gadabuursi. The Southern Dir Groups like the Suure ( Qubeys and Cabdalle) who where heavely armed where the direct protectors of many Isaaq and other unarmed groups in Mogadisho and there were numerous clashes between Xamar Moorayan and the Suure millitias backed by northern Dir and Bimaal Gadsan when several vehicles were stoled from the Dir.

Muuse Galaal Somali Isaaq Historian

[DonCorleone]

The world renowned Somali History scholar, Mr. Musse Galaal, who is Habar Jeclo, invited dozens of Somali Dir shortly before his death in Saudi Arabia in the 1980's and after one of the guests asked him about I. M Lewis and the false propaganda of Isaaq Arabness he spread. Galaal replied, I.M Lewis is a mentor of his but he never agreed about how he distorted Isaaq history. Galaal added, we are all in an Arab country and the richest Arab country where Islaam was born but I will tell you today I am more convinced of my Dirness then ever and I doubt more then ever that all Somalis share a single thing with the Arabs.
The Dir witness said, " I asked Oh Galaal, my cousine, why do you say this. Galaal said, "look at the Arabs and look at us, especially, us, the Dir Aji, we never eat grasshoppers, a Somali would never eat even the liver, heart, or lowly portions like the tounge of goat or cow. Nor would a Somali eat Lizards ( muusa cagaleey), or penis of goat or sheep or in the past work for or intermarry with any outsiders yet the Arabs do all of that. How can we be of Arab when we dont share none of this, Walaahay we the Somalis are more noble then they, and the noblest of Somalis of all are the Dir Aji from whom we all got our noble and pure manners." This is two or three weeks before he passed away.



Another interesting story which shows the deep kinship between Southern and Northern the Great poet Hadrawi was in Dolo, Luuq, and Xuddur areas in the early days of the SNM struggle and I was surprised for this was suicidal for such prominent figure in 1988. He freely moved in and out of Bakool, Gedo, and Bardheere areas and made many speeches I was told and he was accompanied by his local kinsman. A good friend of main even narrated to me a long poem he made in order to create two feuding Dir groups in Ethiopian Somali border. This shows that he felt as though he was at home just like in Burco or Hargeysa which he could not go at that time. As a matter of fact that region still has a SSNM or Southern SNM movement which unites the major Mahe Dir Clans, Suure, and Madaxweyn Dir in that region.


The fatuh al Habash mentions the Habar Magadle (Maha Dir) by name as one group which Gureey try to draw into his camp.Nevertheless, the Habar Awal and Habar Yonis joined the Gurey jihaad. For Example, the Makaahil of the Habar Awal was the son of an Amhara princesse who was broght back to Somali by a Habar Awal worrior. The Amhara princes asked her captor one favour which to name the first son. After she bore the son she named him Makahil "Micheal" the angel. As a matter of fact many Mahe Dir like the Habar xabuush or Habar Jeclo were also named in such a case. According to the Fatuh Al Habash, "the fierce and rebellious Isaaq, Issas, and Afar clans who lived close to these groups and was know as "Oda Cali" caused Guurey many problems because as soon as the attacked the Habash enemies and gained some booty they would return to their territorie this angered Imam Ahmed who wanted a displined army. Ali and Mataan a brothers in-law of Gurey and Ahmed Nuur a knephew or Gurey, who later married Gurey's wife Batiyo Delwambero(Dawmbiro). It is interesting to not The name Dalwambero.

IM Lewis mentions a episode in Axmed Gurey's campaign where he destroyed cities of Habar Magadle Dir in which the H.Magadle punished a Aba Yonis Group who complained to the Imaam. Also the H.Magaadle would join the Jihad and decide at a crucial moment to return to their homelands after getting all the Booty the wanted.

A very strange fact in Fatuhal Habash is the Mareexan Sade Daarod Clan are mentioned to be part of the Habar Magaadle

and this is one reason the Darood would never translate the Fatuhal Habash even though the Darood claim the Imaam Ahmed was a Darood.

I will post a rebuttal of this because the Darood ancestor Ismaail Jabarti died in 1679 while the battles of Ahmed Gurey took place in 1500. Both IM lewis and other scholars leaked this fact that Mareexan are considered a Habar Magaadle clan in the Fatuuh Al Habash because these western scholars would not set foot in Somalia especially when Siad Barre was in Power. I will put up the quotes and author it is on Google books

[DonCorleone]

Everything I posted is truuth, i found a couple of blogs talking about irir history and i fou d one talking about dirs and isaaqs, thats where all my info comes from
everything if act though
last proof

Ethnically, Isaq belongs to the Dir clan family. Of the four main Dir branches, Isaq belongs to Mohamed Maha Dir. Other Maha Dir sub-clans include Biyomal, Bajimal and Quranyob. Other Maha Dir sub-clans include Biyomal, Bajimal and Quranyob. The other Dir clan families in the north are the Gadabursi and Issa, who belong to Madaxweyne and Madobe Dir, respectively.The Isaq is divided into three main sub-clans namely: Garhajis (Habar Yonis, Ida Gale and Arap), Habar Awal and Habar Jelo. Garhajis who are the largest and most powerful sub-clan are against secession. Many Habar Jelo intellectuals I spoke with told me that majority of their peoples are not secessionists. Many Habar Jelo intellectuals I spoke with told me that majority of their peoples are not secessionists.

[Khalid Ali]

you're posting things from a dir blog than using as some sort of factual source come on son , nothing wrong with dir they are a Somali qabil. but we are not in the earliest sources from European sources Isaaq was always mentioned as isaaq , as the family tribe from Sheikh isxaaq, and i can quote it for you if it makes you feel better

First source this is seventeen trips through Somaliland by Colonel swayne 19 century



saint and Somals IMLEWIS


The story of sheikh isxaq versus the jewish King bucur bacayr

The mammals of Somaliland (1910). Author: Drake-Brockman


The isaaq history is well written no sound of dir irir or what ever fantasy ur on

[Mondey]

Isaaq is not Dir, they just claim Dir when they want to get a seat in Somalia coz they know they cannot get a seat in modern day Somalia except under the Dir name. nothing wrong with them tho.

[original dervish]

except that they`re iidoor of course.

[Kabriid]

except that they`re iidoor of course.

Do you even know the meaning of the word iidoor and the etymology?

[Rabshoole]

[Somalistan]

Lets be frank about this, there are no issues between Isaakh clan and Dir. We consider them brotherly clan just like Hawiye. Obviously, members belonging to Dir might have issues with Isaakh and vice verse but that doesn't influence the relationship we have on the ground with Dir i.e Samaroon and Ciise, whom we consider both brothers and fellow countrymen.