Why do we seek to be arabs?

[Sophisticate]

Adali,

How is what i said pointless. You didn't even provide a rebuttal? Just trying to deflect from what I said by attempting to discredit it .That was not arbitrary at all. It went back to the root of the topic "Patriarchy" which is only one system of lineage. I don't see how that was off topic? I posed questions and you didn't provide me with concrete answers. You just said I was meandering, when I wasn't. I see this "lineage" concept as contextual, subjective and mutable. I don't think you do. It also depends on meaning too. Some people don't even care and it doesn't matter to them, hence it falls on deaf ears; others keep talking about it until the cows come home. (1) Lineage might not be as concrete as you think it is due to clan indoctrination/absorption of groups that might not share the same lineage, or those that break up and create new clans or migrate and join other clans and (2) It might not be entirely agreed upon with everyone. (3) I'm just waiting for a large-scale and representative study on Somali DNA, then and only then will we truly know. Keep in mind people should focus on more important things like food security, as DNA study won't pay the bills or put food on the table. (4) In terms of look unfortunately people can't see your descent/lineage on your face, particularly if its minute. And people will come to their own conclusions about you. With respect to language you do make a point just because you speak English doesn't make you an Englishman.


Note to self you see this system as sanctimonious and fixed, so I'll let you be.

[ZubeirAwal]

Hawiye are Somali , what point are you trying to make?

Where do you propose or estimate their ancestors come from?

That does not concern me, Isaaqs preserved their ancestry in the form of oral tradition, I don't know shit about Hawiye. I entered this thread to remind the OP that شيخ اسحاق إبن أحمد ال هاشمي was a real man and is my ancestor, no amount of dismissing from non-Isaaqs can disprove that.

[outlaw112]

Jesus, you've gotta love the delusion on display. There's this little thing called DNA that clearly shows the vast majority of Horners, let alone Somalis, share the same paternal haplogroups.

About 1/3 of my relatives on 23&me are Hawiye/Dir, another 1/3 are Isaaq, and another 1/3 are Darood. All the males, barring one individual, share the same exact paternal haplogroup and by definition share common paternal descent. This is the 21st century ffs, fairy tales about some super-virile Arab sheikh just won't cut it anymore.

[Vivacious]

Where is PO? Dab intuu shiday uu isaga dhaqaaqay meesha?

[outlaw112]

Where is PO? Dab intuu shiday uu isaga dhaqaaqay meesha?

Ma aragtay...

[Lillaahiya]

Jesus, you've gotta love the delusion on display. There's this little thing called DNA that clearly shows the vast majority of Horners, let alone Somalis, share the same paternal haplogroups.

About 1/3 of my relatives on 23&me are Hawiye/Dir, another 1/3 are Isaaq, and another 1/3 are Darood. All the males, barring one individual, share the same exact paternal haplogroup and by definition share common paternal descent. This is the 21st century ffs, fairy tales about some super-virile Arab sheikh just won't cut it anymore.

lolz I'm still Arab man.

[hydrogen]

Hawiye are Somali , what point are you trying to make?

Where do you propose or estimate their ancestors come from?

That does not concern me, Isaaqs preserved their ancestry in the form of oral tradition, I don't know shit about Hawiye. I entered this thread to remind the OP that شيخ اسحاق إبن أحمد ال هاشمي was a real man and is my ancestor, no amount of dismissing from non-Isaaqs can disprove that.

If you're going to argue Isaaq authenticity and say you are both Arab and Somali then prepare to define what either one means. You apparently "don't know shit about Hawiye" which reeks of an inability to address what being Somali means. Oral tradition is a Somali thing, Arabs document their history on paper so do not be inconsistent with when you want to be Arab and Somali by insinuating it's exclusive to Isaaq people. Somalis are traditionally oral in their story/history-telling and you have just manipulated that to conform to the non-existent Arab ancestor whilst in the same breath reiterating that you are Arab. Save the bravado too, writing his name in Arabic doesn't change anything.

[Based]

As my nigga deGrasse-Tyson said, the good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe it.

[Adali]

Jesus, you've gotta love the delusion on display. There's this little thing called DNA that clearly shows the vast majority of Horners, let alone Somalis, share the same paternal haplogroups.

About 1/3 of my relatives on 23&me are Hawiye/Dir, another 1/3 are Isaaq, and another 1/3 are Darood. All the males, barring one individual, share the same exact paternal haplogroup and by definition share common paternal descent. This is the 21st century ffs, fairy tales about some super-virile Arab sheikh just won't cut it anymore.

and you share that same DNA with people from the Arab peninsula and along the red sea, correct ? it doesn't disprove anything, it just suggest that some bastards exist which isn't a big discovery.

lets say a bastard from tribe A is assimilated into tribe B with help of his maternal side who comes from tribe B, the bastard has many children now claiming to be tribe B but DNA test taken from his children show they share same paternal hablogroups with children from Tribe A.

you usually can detect bastard lines because they are laangaab.

[ZubeirAwal]

It seems you don't know what your talking about young buck. Oral tradition is also an Arab thing aswell as a somali thing, hadith's were transmitted orally through a parent to their child, until book collections were written. Can you orally trace your ancestry back to your 22nd grandfather? That is what is on the table, I do not disagree with you that a large part of somali culture revolves around oral tradition, however how is this relevant? Why do you, and your ilk seek to try and disapprove the ancestry of aal-al ashraf, whereby when you try to do so, via dna, or ridiculously through complexion (how can a guy remain with a light arab complexion for 700 years after inter-marrying and mixing with the local populous?) you fail at all costs, whole books were written on Sheikh Isaaq, and my father personally made a trip in 2010 to Damascus's old library to find the biography of Sheikh Isaaq written by his biographer. To put the nail in the coffin, evident proof of his existance exists, the laziness of forum members who at their utmost ignorance dismiss the ancestry of the Isaaq as "fairytales" obviously try to talk about something without doing actual homework, we will say we are Aal-al Muhammad (saw) until judgement day, no amount of petty attempts of jealousy and ignorance would be able to put us at hault.

Do you know what I find funny? Arabs on arab forums acknowledge the Isaaq, yet you do not, but who needs the acknowledgment of one who cannot trace his abtirsi?

#Isaaq#Lander#dunno

[Samatr]

Zubeir

Stand down soldier.

[hydrogen]

Arabs on arab forums acknowledge the Isaaq, yet you do not, but who needs the acknowledgment of one who cannot trace his abtirsi?

This sums up everything you are trying to say. Thanks

It was a HG that were on the front line to get out the man who tried to wipe you out, keep talking shit, we are superior to you in every single form.

[Keyblade]

Hawiye are Somali , what point are you trying to make?

Where do you propose or estimate their ancestors come from?

That does not concern me, Isaaqs preserved their ancestry in the form of oral tradition, I don't know shit about Hawiye. I entered this thread to remind the OP that شيخ اسحاق إبن أحمد ال هاشمي was a real man and is my ancestor, no amount of dismissing from non-Isaaqs can disprove that.

I don't get it, is ~شيخ اسحاق ابن احمد ال هاشمي~ supposed to be in this picture, I don't see him.

[grandpakhalif]

Jesus, you've gotta love the delusion on display. There's this little thing called DNA that clearly shows the vast majority of Horners, let alone Somalis, share the same paternal haplogroups.

About 1/3 of my relatives on 23&me are Hawiye/Dir, another 1/3 are Isaaq, and another 1/3 are Darood. All the males, barring one individual, share the same exact paternal haplogroup and by definition share common paternal descent. This is the 21st century ffs, fairy tales about some super-virile Arab sheikh just won't cut it anymore.

You have faith in flawed theories of Science I have faith in my forefatheres.

[ZubeirAwal]

Arabs on arab forums acknowledge the Isaaq, yet you do not, but who needs the acknowledgment of one who cannot trace his abtirsi?

This sums up everything you are trying to say. Thanks

It is a counter-productive point to the members who cry " You claim arab but the arabs laugh at you!" but what does a sexually confused 16 year old who apparently cannot leave his bedroom know about this matter? I seriously recommend, suggest and advise that you return to sending male members flowers, as you are very good at that as opposed to partaking in ancestral discussions.

Herpa'derp.

#fuckfags