Some beautiful pictures from Hargeisa, Somalia

[Caesar]

I only have this nick and Mods can confirm while you have 4 different nicks.

LMFAO why in Gods name would I need four, when I karbash with only one! Mods can verify me posting on only one account.

The irony when a French slave who's protected by his masters calls someone else "the orphan of the queen". My clan signed treaties with the British while you were enslaved and occupied.

More Khat is chewed in Mogadishu, more khat is imported to Mogadishu.

What did you get out of the British, neither chimney nor rail lmfao, Will personal attacks override the proof I have brought. And the Jaad consumption source was only from the 80s! Who knows how much is being consumed today. Wasn't the 80s the time were most somalis here were born. Many jaad babies exist.


Your people called themselves Orphans of the Queen, don't blame me I didn't invent this term. Provide sources on your Jaad claims. As I have did. Ill let my source speak for me.

You try to come off as someone who oppose colonialism yet you're bragging about how much your masters, who still feed you and protect you against the Eritreans, built Djibooty.
the debate was about who developed Somaliland the most, was it the British or was it Afweyne. As I've shown, the British did more for SL than Afweyne ever did and you still haven't been able to disprove that so you're trying to change the subject but it won't work.

Everyone can see how you're unable to prove your case.

I actually am very against colonialism, you are the only one defending the British in this entire thread
I proved everything clearly, only an idiot who cannot read will not be able to see all the proof I brought. Defend the British and the disease they brought.
Personal Insults will not change the facts I have dropped,

Your own Elders said even during the time of limited development, that the British really didn't build much. That is a fact. I also disproved your claim of the British developing the ground they didn't they just took control of livestock and taxed it lol.
The brits have left the orphans of the queen with rusty ford cars, and neither chimney nor rail. Your precious queen has also brought you diseases and yet you will still defend her. Nobody is defending the Italians or french but I am merely bringing forth examples. Only you are getting offended by the lack of interest the British put into somaliland.

You still haven't proven on why your Elders as you and KhalidAli seem to claim denied a free university from the British. Until I can see proof of that claim, I have to assume by all the evidence I have dropped the British simply didn't care or did not have enough funds to develop it, since they were Frugal.
They didn't have the funds to develop chimneys and rails yet they were going to give you Oxford? Laughable. Keep crying about the British and how "good" they were to you. I provided facts they weren't so good at all, even bringing you diseases audobillah.
Xidiid just don't now claim about the 50,000 that died for Engriiska. The burden of proof is on you to defend your English colonists and prove they actually built something. Your own elders say otherwise.


Again it's all about sources! Karbash over.

[original dervish]

This nonsense is taught to the younger generation, that they received no development after union is laughable.
The roads, airports, seaport, hospitals, universities, schools etc were all built after the British left.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

This nonsense is taught to the younger generation, that they received no development after union is laughable.
The roads, airports, seaport, hospitals, universities, schools etc were all built after the British left.

Siad barre built nothing. The soviets and chinese built one runway and a dock. Let's not overstate things. To brag about a single runway and a dock in 20 years of power is ludicrous, which is why nobody takes you dooros and siadists seriously.

[original dervish]

The British killed over a third of the population...exploited the one resource (livestock), and left f**k all after 85 years.
This is what you hanker after.
The Somali republic gave you back your humanity.

[Xildiiid]

Caesar, Classiq, Don Corleone aka the French faggot.

You brought nothing but informal fallacies to the table.

The debate was; who developed Somaliland the most, was it Great Britain or Afweyne.

I've proved that the British developed Somaliland. That development can't be matched by Afweyne because Afweyne didn't build anything.

Now.. Since you can't accept reality like GrandpaKhaniis, you have to disprove that the British developed SL more than Afweyne.


@OD,

Prove that they killed 1/3 of the population. The Afweyne regime and the illegal union killed approximately 250.000 Somalilanders all being Isaaq, it made 500.000 flee to Ethiopia and destroyed the cities we built for centuries. The British didn't kill my people, nor did they make my people flee their homes, on the contrary, they developed our land.

[original dervish]

Are you seriously claiming there was more development during the colonial period.
The hate runs deep in this one.

[Xildiiid]

The fact remains more development during the colonial period than during Afweynes regime when SL saw no developments.


Who do I hate?

[original dervish]

Your so blinded by your hate of Somalia....you will claim all sorts of nonsense.

[Estarix]

The British killed over a third of the population...exploited the one resource (livestock), and left f**k all after 85 years.
This is what you hanker after.
The Somali republic gave you back your humanity.

Not at all, the 1/3 deaths figure mainly applies to male side of the population and most of the blame to the British could be said to be indirect such as distributing weapons to the somali clans who in turn raided and starved one another to death couple this with raids and looting of MAH then thats how such a large number of people died. But Its true the Brits left the region underdeveloped especially compared to Italian Somaliland.

Xildiid @ Secessionists have a habit of inflating the total number of dead to justify their own political stance and elicit sympathy. Similar to how the regime supporters reduce the 1988 killings to only 5,000 civillian using a particular source. But having done research the most common and standard figure for the deaths are probably not less than 50,000 and likely not more than 80,000.

[Xildiiid]

@ OD,

Prove that 1/3 was killed by the British.

Why would I hate Somalia? I'm not from Somalia, I could care less about that country and the people in it.


@Estarix,

I assume you're one of the Afweyne apologists.

How are we secessionists? We were never part of Somalia so how can we secede from something we were not part of? It doesn't make sense...

The HRW report on the atrocities committed in SL states that approximately 50.000 died in Hargeysa alone and that those numbers are an estimation, they believe the number is higher. The report also states that more than 250.000 died throughout the country, again an estimation and the numbers are much higher.

Somaliland was a protectorate and served as a military garrison and a hub for livestock for the British troops. It was not a colony like Djibouti and Somalia Italiana (no such thing as Italian Somaliland existed). The British had their main colony and crown jewel which was India and surrounding areas while the crown jewel of the Italians was Somalia, you see the difference and even when you compare the amount of money the British invested in India compared to the Italian investment in Somalia, you can see that the Italians were not anywhere near the British in terms of developing the land.

[Estarix]

The Italians had planned to eventually permanently settle Italian Somaliland hence why is developed so well. It was about Mussolini's plan to build a new Rome and because of overcrowding in the Italian peninsula intended to expand the italian citizens to other parts of the empire. This concept of "living space" was a pinnacle of fascist ideology.
But even after the the defeat of Italians the Somalis (during protectorate period) were able to take advantage of the resources and institutions. Officer training and other programs similarly existed in the north by then but to much less frequency and scale.
The British had left it underdeveloped mainly because they had used it as "butcher shop" to supply Aden.
As for casualties i had assumed the vast majority of casualties were in Hargeisa pretty much because most of the population lived there at the time. So i find it hard to believe its much higher than 50,000 when Hargeisa was hit the hardest.

[Xildiiid]

There were aerial bombardments in other cities such as Gabiley, Arapsiyo, Ceel Afweyn, Burco. The regime planted landmines throughout the country, when the people fled, they planted landmines in front of the houses so when they return they would be blown to pieces. You have summary executions and the random killings of civilians and innocent nomads in the rural area.
There was this particular story about a nomad who helped lost soldiers in the wilderness who where looking for SNM and to show him their appreciation, they raped his wife and two young daughters in front of him before killing the wife and daughters and letting him choose to either walk away or get killed. They were so fucked up they drained innocent school children on blood so they could treat their wounded soldiers.

The report states that more than 250.000 were killed in SL, Hargeisa excluded and as the report states the numbers are much higher than the estimations.

You can read the report for yourself.