Hawdian & Isir Raaca Af-Amaringya

[thegoodshepherd]

Here's proof and at the bottom of my post you'll find the names of the manuscripts and their authors. Now.. what you and your gudhuu cousin Casanova need to do is show me a reference or atleast a name of the ''book'' you used and the authors.

Xildiid, is this your source??

تحفة المشتاق في نسب السيد اسحاق Or The Pearls of the Wanting in the Geneology of Sheikh Ishaaq

http://www.4shared.com/document/nygSm0G6/_____.html
http://www.4shared.com/document/6ihdCW29/___.html

This pamphlet was written recently, in the past 10 years.
I will forgive you because you don't know arabic, but here is page 10 where the author talks about the 1960 election in Somaliland
This pamphlet, it is not a book, was written by an Isaaq man around 2001
I have underlined the passage where he talks about Somaliland


Translation:
The reason for freedom and independence in the north of Somalia which happened on June 26 1960.

Notice how the writer writes in the far past tense in arabic indicating recent authorship, how can someone in the middle ages know about Somaliland??

[Caesar]

Good Shepard Xidiid wants to go on until his last dying breath lmfao.

Xidiid son of Bucur Bacayr

the original question was

post a manuscript listing shiekh isaaq's children

and you have not we know his life, he was a 87 year old man. Let's see his kids. Can you refute the 2010 Bucur Bacayr thread?

[Xildiiid]

The manuscripts were listed at the bottom of my post.

Julius Waraabe,

You haven't showed me the name of the book you used nor the name of the author. So how can you prove something without presenting the source behind your "evidence".

I gave you a Somali book based on the accounts of the Maroccan author Al Qarbani and in that book the sons of Sheikh Isxaaq are listed and his descendant in Yemen also mentioned.

[Caesar]

post a manuscript listing shiekh isaaq's children you posted his life which we all know, why can't you post the kids?



His children don't exist You just posted random book titles about his life. But where are his kids?

Ilmaha Bucur Bacayr..

[Xildiiid]

^
You can purchase that book on Amazon and its based on the manuscript written by Al Qarbani. It lists all his children. Since you're poor I purchased the book today and I'll post the proof that will destroy you like the Eritreans destroyed Djibooty, in a couple of days.

Now... why don't you give me the name of the "book" you used and the name of the author. The reason why you won't give us a name is because no such book exists and DjibSomali who's Qudhunbiirsi created those prints on paint. Gudo+Biiris means bastard child. He want to project his reality on us like the wasteman he is.

Ciise were the last "Somali" tribe to be converted into Islam , around 1854 when Richard Burton was travelling through their country he recorded many anecdotes regarding the Ciise blasphemy . One old Ciise woman with a tooth ache is a good example she was cursing god and vowing to take revenge on him not only for the tooth ach but for the herds of the goat he murdered , most Ciise asked for the address and sub-tribe of "allah " to be found so they can take revenge on him at last.

You filthy pagan

[original dervish]

Damn....now that's some f*@king deep shit there.

[ZubeirAwal]

Ciise were the last "Somali" tribe to be converted into Islam , around 1854 when Richard Burton was travelling through their country he recorded many anecdotes regarding the Ciise blasphemy . One old Ciise woman with a tooth ache is a good example she was cursing god and vowing to take revenge on him not only for the tooth ach but for the herds of the goat he murdered , most Ciise asked for the address and sub-tribe of "allah " to be found so they can take revenge on him at last.

The ahlul bayt community accept us the afro hashemite-nation

http://ashraaf.biz/vb/showthread.php?t=3312

http://alashraf.montadamoslim.com/t1183-topic

extract from a manuscript:

نبذة عن ال اسحاق وأنسابهم وفروعهم كما وردت في مؤلفات وبحوث الشيخ
- صالح بن سهل بن عبدالسلام طيب الله ثرا
هم من أحفاد الأمام علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنة وهم عدة فرو آل إسحاق الطالبيونأولا.
وهم من أحفاد سيدنا العباس عم النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم من أبناء إسحاق بن عيس آل إسحاق العباسيونثانياً.
بن موسى بن محمد بن علي بن عبد الله بن العباس رضي الله عنه وهم من قرابة أبي طلحة بن عبد الرحمن بن أبي بكر الصديق رضي الله عنه آل إسحاق البكريونثالثاً.
وهم فرعين رئيسيين وهما آل إسحاق الكنديون رابعاً. أ- أبناء إسحاق بن سعيد بن محمد بن أحمد بن عمر بن شيبان الكندي
ب- بناء إسحاق بن محمد بن الأشعث بن قيس الكندي، وينتشر هؤلاء في شبه الجزيرة العربية وبلاد الشام والعراق ومصر وفي كثير من بلدان العالم

آل إسحاق الطالبيون
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من هم آل إسحاق الطالبيون
هم من أحفاد الإمام علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه وهم عدة فروع نذكر منها على سبيل المثال لا الحصر :

1- أبناء الإمام إسحاق المؤتمن بن جعفر الصادق رضي الله عنه .

2- أبناء إسحاق بن محمد النقيب بن علي بن جعفرالصادق

3- أبناء إسحاق بن موسى الكاظم بن عيسى بن محمد بن علي بن جعفر الصادق .

وتوجد من هؤلاء ما يزيد على إحدى عشر أسرة الجد الأول فيها يسمى ( إسحاق ) وتتميز الأســر بعضها عــن بعض أما باللقب أو بالجد الثاني الذي يلي ( إسحاق ) مثل آل إسحاق حضرموت يقال لهم آل عامر نسبة لجـدهم الشيخ عامر بن إسحاق
وكذلك آل إسحاق ( نجران ) يقال لهم الاسماعليون نسبة لجدهم إسماعيل بن محمد بن إسحاق إبن جعفر الصادق وآخرون يقال لهم بنو إسحاق وهم أبناء إسحاق بن أحمد بن محمد ابن حسين وينقسم آل إسحاق الطالبيون إلى قسمين رئيسيين هما :
المتوفى بمدينة ميط بشمال الصومال وغيرهم كثيرون والله أعلم .

1- آل إسحاق ( السادة )



ويسكن أغلبية هؤلاء بالعراق والحجاز ومنهم السادة آل ردعان وآل منصور وآل مطهر ويسكنون باليمن وقسم يوجــد بحضرموت وهم أبنا إسحاق بن صالح بن عقيل بن عمر بن شيخ يرجــع نسبهم إلــى السيد علوي بن محمد ( مولى الدويلة ) و يوجد قسم كبير منهم بالصومال وهم كما أشرنا من سلالة إسحاق بن أحمد بن محمد ابن حسين المتوفى بمدينة ميط بشمال الصومال سنة 727 وقبره معروف بها .

2- آل إسحاق ( المشائخ )


ويقال لهم آل عامر نسبة إلى جدهم الشيخ عامر بن إسحاق ويسكن هؤلاء بمدينة هينن وبعض مدن حضرموت الأخرى كما توجد فخيذة منهم بوادي بيحان واسم منصبهم ناصر بن بخيت وفخيذه أخرى بوادي براد بالقبلة وهم أبناء سهل بن أحمد ويحي بن أحمد ويقال لهم آل سهيل واسم منصبهم عامر بن سعيد بن إسحاق .

وفخيذة في شرق اليمن واسم منصبهم حسين بن علي بن عبد الكريم بن إسحاق .

كذلك هاجرت بعض الأسر إلى الحجاز وشمال آسيا وأفريقيا وغيرها من بلدان العالم وسموا بالمشائخ لأنهم مشائخ علم وشيوخ عشائر وهؤلا هم المقصودين الحديث عنه

another extract translated in english:

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I will mention to you that we are descendants of them in the next few days, God willing,

This was translated with GOOGLE TRANSLATOR, so grammatical errors are prevalent however you can understand the dialogue.

افتخر بان اجدادي من ال بيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم انا اسمي عبدالرزاق اسماعيل حسن الصومالي سعودي من اصل صومالي ومن قبيلة اسحاق (هيبرشعلو) الكبيره واليكم بقية القصة من المعرفة
إسحاق (قبيلة)
قبائل الإسحاق (أو الإساق) هي احدى مجموعات القبائل الكبرى في شمال الصومال وباقي القرن الإفريقي, نسب السيد اسحاق. اسحاق بن احمد بن محمد بن حسين بن علي بن المطهر بن عبد الله بن أيوب بن محمد بن قاسم بن احمد بن علي ن عيسى بن يحيى بن محمد بن علي الهادي بن محمد الجواد بن علي الرضا بن موسى الكاظم بن جعفر الصادق بن محمد الباقر بن علي زين العابدين بن الحسين بن علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه.

هجرة السيد محمد بن الحسين جد اسحاق بن احمد : من العراق]] في سنة 498ه وفي عصر الخليفه المعتمد بالله العباسي هاجر من مدينة سر من رأى بالعراق رحل هو و ازواجه و اولاده و احفاده إلى المدينة المنورة لما اشتدت المحن عليهم بعد فتنة المعتمد و ابن المعتز العباسي وكان عائداً بالله ثم بجده رسول الله ثم سكنها حتى توفي فيها و دفن فيها سنة 505 هجرية رحمه الله و في سنة506 تفرقت اسرته لاسباب مادية فكانت رحلاتهم كالاتي:
1-ذهب اثنان علي و حسن المامون و امهم ام الخير بنت علي بن زيد بن يوسف و اولادهم إلى بنها العسل وهي قريه من قرى مصر.
2-رحل يوسف و عبد الله و حيدر و عبد القادر و امهم ام ولد الفارسية الاصل إلى جبل السرات في ارض الحجاز.
3-رحل محمد و احمد و حمزة و امهم الشريفه عاتكه بنت علي بن محمد بن علي إلى اليمن .
رحل السيد الصفي احمد بن محمد ابن الحسين وهو والد اسحاق مع اولاده الخمسة وهم الناصر ، الطاهر ، ،سفيان ، محمد ، اسحاق .
-فا الناصر لدين الله حل في جبل الضبيتين واليه تنسب السادة المنصوريه -اما السيد الطاهر فحل في مخوان واليه تنسب الساده آل مطهر -اما السيد سفيان فلم يعقب مات كليلاً عن الدريه -اما السيد محمد فحل في اليمانيتين العليا وله فيه عقب
رحلات السيد اسحاق كالاتي: -إلى سبأ اليمن وكان قائمن بنشر دين الله فلما علي قدره بين الناس زوجه ملك سبآ باخته وهم من ال قار وولدت له ولدان . 1-درعان واليه ينسب السادة ال درعان 2- شريف و اليه ينسب الساده آل الشرف في الكرب

ـ الجوف باليمن: و تزوج بها امراة وهي بنت عمه الطاهر فولدت له ابنا اسمه منصور و اليه ينسب السادة ال منصور.

-بعد هده الرحلة في اليمن ذهب السيد اسحاق إلى بلاد الحبشة إلى هرر ولم ينجب هناك ثم عاد واستقر في شمال الصومال وكانت رحلاته كلها لغرض الدعوة فتزوج في الصومال وانجب اولاد هم
احمد
موسى
إبراهيم
محمد
أيوب
عبد الرحمن
إسماعيل
علي
و هم اخوة درعان و شريف و منصور .
المصادر
منقول بعد التدقيق من مخطوطة الغربانب السيد الشريف محمد ابن احمد الغرباني وهذه المخطوطه مختومه من قبل نقباء الاشراف و اشراف اليمن وامامها الامام يحيى حميد الدين في عام 1330ه.
تحفة الزمان المسجد المنطوم لتاريخ والعلوم لمحمد بن حسن البصري .
تحفة المشتاق في نسب الاسحاقين عبد الرحمن بن علي .
زمرة المشتاق في نسب الشريف اسحاق لمبيد النضيري البراوي . .
[تحرير] أماكن تواجدها
تتركز قبيلة الإسحاق في الشطر الشمالي من الصومال و تسمى حاليا جمهورية ارض الصومال كما تقطن في أجزاء كبيرة من جيبوتي ، والصومال الغربي (الإقليم الصومالي الخامس في اثيوبيا أو كما يسميه أتباع الرئيس السابق محمد زياد بري اوغادين.
من المدن ذات الكثافة السكانية من الاسحاقيين: هرجيسة(عاصمة جمهورية أرض الصومال)‘ برعو‘ بربرة وعيرغافو الخ.
[تحرير] بطون وعشائر السادةبني اسحاق
إساق (إسحاق) تتكون من العشائر التالية:
أيوب .
عرب علي .
الأول عبدالرحمن.
قرحجس اسماعيل .
هبر جعلو= موسي
ايراهيم]]
أحمد
محمد

[Xildiiid]

The Mad Mullah even composed a prom in which he described them as pagans lusting for raw meat and blood. These beast were cannibals, it's an explanation to why they sharpen their teeth like carnivores.

The Ciise Waraabe community are not even Somali.

[ZubeirAwal]

Aniga waxan la yaaba neefkan la yirada Ceaser muxu isku dhiga inu garanayo taarikhda somalida oo dhan, walle wa xoolo ka mid ah xoolaha beesha ciise, horta inu ciise yahay ilaahi un baa og, marnu wuxu yidhi " hawiye ayaan ahay" qof been sheegaya dhegta maloo dhiibo, ku tuffa wa handikaaap weeye.

[Caesar]

Richard Burton's colonial lies, I see I riled up the Idoor enough they have to quote colonial lies from their British parents All a distraction from the main point.

Which is no Idoor can bring proof Isaaq had children

Xidiid you didn't nswer the question though. Post any historical manuscripts speaking about Isaaq's children,Isaaq having children, hell even Isaaq adopting children.

Also DNA evidence has shown you contain no Arab dna (Haplogroup J) Looks like someone lied in your ancestry lol. You guys already lost the plot but , Wallahi this provides easy entertainment this morning.Faruuq Bastard Children

You wanna know when my people became muslim? 615 . That's when the early Muslims came to Zaylac and Dir converted to Islam.
Then we spread Islam far and wide in the horn.

Anyways, my original point was, I just wanna see a manuscript detailing Isaaq's kids. Like goodshepherd has shown, something not written by an Isaaq in 2001.
Since 2010 Bucur Bacayr has not been refuted. You should accept your father as your ancestors did in the past.
I would advise you to save the money so you can buy toilets in Somaliland. As the UN indicated you all don't know how to use one.


I specifically stated manuscript I.E sources other then Somali. Since Somali oral tradition states you are a bastard child of Bucur Bacayr. Can the Arab records show us Isaaq the 87 year old man had children in North Somalia? So far none exist.



My People (Dir) were Zaylici students having reserve spots at the Mosque of Ummayds in DAMASCUS,SYRIA, and perusing a life of study in North Africa.


Pure historical fact, most Somalis were converted into Islam by a Somali, rather then an Arab.

Idoor only became muslim, when Yusuf al Kownayn a native somali man, killed Bucur Bacayr and converted his followers and bastard children into Islam. Remember?

It's not Mirqaan written makhyaad lies your qat chewing uncles talk about. But pure historical fact.

Until I see sources that are proven historical fact rather then colonial lies, and made up history, Bucur Bacayr remains the Idoor father of the year of 2014,as he was in 2010. Also to irreverent children who watch from the corner, why would I not know Tariikhda Somali? I'm Aji. It's Aji iyo Ajuraan we are the noble people. Educate yourself.

Speaking of the Darawiish..didn't they mention in their poems never trust the Idoor for they are gaalo raac. Even your own Isaaq members (few? Perhaps before they were assassinated) had to agree with that Gabay. LOL.
I never heard of the Darawiish having a problem with Cisse, can I see a source or is it another Bucur Bacayr lie?

Again until the proof is shown Isaaq had children. This debate is over.

[theyuusuf143]

Danaakilaba waa lagaa helaa duul la daawade allahayaw dad lama caasiyee dumar xumaa ciise.

[Hodan94]

why does the issue of sheikh isaaq affect you anyway?
you don't even know ur own roots and yet many ppl are somehow attracted to the idea of Isaak's non existance. go find ur own roots..

[Xildiiid]

I'm going to post when I get that book in a couple of day.


The fact remains your people were blood drinking pagans as late as early 1900's who use to curse Allah, thinking God was a human being.



Today the biggest Catholic Church in east Africa is in Djibooty.

[SecretAgent]

But 1st gaal was hj a lander

[Xildiiid]

Michael Maryama had more sharaf then any other Somali out there and when he died received a state funeral and Afweyne Barre was among the people carrying the coffin.

How can he be the first gaal when Ciise Waraabe as a clan became Muslim in early 1900's?