The Conquest of Abyssinia

[Advo]

I cant hate. Voltage is providing concrete evidence. I too think Ahmed Gurrey was Marehan, if not Harti.

My nigga

If they provided any evidence or did their homework on this subject like voltage, wallahi I would've been very open to their theories lakinse they lack any sources besides resorting to insults, in conclusion, these kinda debates also make the Imam gurey image look bad, He was a Muslim hero and SOMALI full stop, I even had oromos arguing with me about this, saying the somali clans mentioned are ancient oromos and not the actual somalis of today

[guryasame]

I cant hate. Voltage is providing concrete evidence. I too think Ahmed Gurrey was Marehan, if not Harti.

My nigga

If they provided any evidence or did their homework on this subject like voltage, wallahi I would've been very open to their theories lakinse they lack any sources besides resorting to insults, in conclusion, these kinda debates also make the Imam gurey image look bad, He was a Muslim hero and SOMALI full stop, I even had oromos arguing with me about this, saying the somali clans mentioned are ancient oromos and not the actual somalis of today

what is evidence to you the photoshoped evidence kacaan style? fock u and your diseased faqash souls

[CoolPoisons]

guryasame ha ooyin. ileen awal langaab bila taariikh baad ahayd

[djibsomali]

Guys i am in djibouti city which is a sister city of zeila

I am searching everywhere and have yet to see any marehan!.
There are ogaden, there are dhulbahante and warsangaly.
There is even a little minority hawiye trader in djibouti.
But yet not a single marehan?
I have asked the samarone, issa and issaq community about any marehan in this area whether in dreams or reality.

I have been told that in 1986 there was someone called afwayne who came here to participate IGAD formation.
And that is when they have heard something called marehan.
Apart that they said it could have maybe been a fish kind in the sea.

I have heard that idia amin of uganda migth have been a marehan but siyad barreh rejected him cause he prefered to bestow the marehan paintbrush (as in fotoshop) Ahmed Gurey.

[Advo]

Guys i am in djibouti city which is a sister city of zeila

I am searching everywhere and have yet to see any marehan!.
There are ogaden, there are dhulbahante and warsangaly.
There is even a little minority hawiye trader in djibouti.
But yet not a single marehan?
I have asked the samarone, issa and issaq community about any marehan in this area whether in dreams or reality.

I have been told that in 1986 there was someone called afwayne who came here to participate IGAD formation.
And that is when they have heard something called marehan.
Apart that they said it could have maybe been a fish kind in the sea.

I have heard that idia amin of uganda migth have been a marehan but siyad barreh rejected him cause he prefered to bestow the marehan paintbrush (as in fotoshop) Ahmed Gurey.

what is evidence to you the photoshoped evidence kacaan style? fock u and your diseased faqash souls

This almost beat my favorite "The author made a mistake"

[CoolPoisons]

LOL. did he say the author made a mistake?

LOOOL

[abdikarim86]

Guys i am in djibouti city which is a sister city of zeila

I am searching everywhere and have yet to see any marehan!.
There are ogaden, there are dhulbahante and warsangaly.
There is even a little minority hawiye trader in djibouti.
But yet not a single marehan?
I have asked the samarone, issa and issaq community about any marehan in this area whether in dreams or reality.

I have been told that in 1986 there was someone called afwayne who came here to participate IGAD formation.
And that is when they have heard something called marehan.
Apart that they said it could have maybe been a fish kind in the sea.

I have heard that idia amin of uganda migth have been a marehan but siyad barreh rejected him cause he prefered to bestow the marehan paintbrush (as in fotoshop) Ahmed Gurey.

[Hussein53]

First of all we have to talk facts here.
Fact number one this book your referring to is only a translation of Futuh Al Habash and should not be trusted until someone has the original arabic copy and I believe there are only 2, one of the copies was owned by the Sultan of Harar from the Saad Aludin family (this is the sultanate which ruled Adal from 1200 to when the british enter somaliland). This is probably the copy which the europeans have made this translation of. The second copy is in Yemen and I dont know exactly where in yemen it is.

However I have read this translation and there seems some questionable claims, like the book makes it out that the somali tribes where useless and the Harla tribe is who brang the defeat of the Abysinnian King.

Everyone knows anything about the Horn of Africa can tell you the two major powers that have competed for dominance ever since 1200 are the Tigray and Amhara alliance and the Somali Tribes. The Oromo was not even on the scene until 1600 when they invaded from the South (Kenya) and this was after Ahmed Guray time.

I would advice you from an experienced brother be careful because I see outside forces trying to confuse somali history and wipe it out. This thing about Cushitic tribes is crap and a European invention they are trying to group somali's with masai, oromo and anfar while they say Tigray and Amhara are Semtic. There is no relation whatsoever that somali have with oromo.

"If you want to destroy and people attack there roots (history)".

P.S remember that and dont forget your Gabeys (the oral tradition) because this is our only link to history unless someone digs up our ancient books in Saylac that are in Arabic.

[Hussein53]

Oh yes I also want to add the following;

Ahmed Guray was definitely somali according to our oral tradition, however to claim he is Marehan, Issaq, Samaron or Issa is being very dishonest because no one can give me his uptirseen unless you have his complete lineage I suggest you to allow this worthless argument.

Maybe it could be a blessing in-disguise that no one knows his tribe however this wife was Girri and that is none.

Those fools who say that he was not somali please bring your evidence.


I also would like to add that somali traditional land goes all the way upto the Hawash river and that includes dira-dawa. When the british and French came to our lands was the beginning of the somali disaster because when they came they destroyed our trade monopoly with the tigray and amhara by diverting the trade route from Harar to Dire Dawa and change Zaylac to Djibouti. All of ethiopia's gold, slaves, coffee and ivory was controlled by the Habar Awal because they occupied the trade routes. This was why Issaq was called Idoor because of the control of the trade roots. Then when our trade was destroyed next came our trade in exporting our own live stock to the Middle east which was halted in the 1990's. Therefore left the somali's with no trade slowly slowly we are being destroyed if only you can see what is coming towards you.

[Somaliman50]

Ahmed gurey was a MUSLIM hero, make no mistakes about that, He was also a SOMALI hero, and within the somalis, his qabiil which isnt important since he fought on the ground of Islamic Hood is Mareexaan, why are people hurt by that? throwing insults left and right, look at abakar who came here with old lady fairy tales and was debunked like a duck than resorted to throwing feces, at the end of the day, May the mujaahid RIP was a fellow somali like u and I, case closed.

Waryaa, anigu waxaan diidanahay in taariikhda Iimaamka laga been sheego oo sharaftiisa laga qaado dabaalyahow, nacaskii Voltage wuxuu la yimaadey na daliil ba ma ahan ee waa ra'yi iyo aragti kala duwan uu kasoo qaaday propagandadii Afweyne. Buugi ka hadlaya taariikh nololeedkiisa waa la haayaa meesha ey qorantahay in Iiimaamka uu kasoo jeeda Mareexaanka na markaad kasoo saartaan ayaa dadka kula doodaayaan.

[Voltage]

Abakar, you remind me of the saying you can take a person out of the baadiye but you can't take the baadiye out of them. Ceelbuur waad ka timide, caqligii Ceelbuur iska jaahil bixi.

[Advo]

Waryaa, anigu waxaan diidanahay in taariikhda Iimaamka laga been sheego oo sharaftiisa laga qaado dabaalyahow, nacaskii Voltage wuxuu la yimaadey na daliil ba ma ahan ee waa ra'yi iyo aragti kala duwan uu kasoo qaaday propagandadii Afweyne. Buugi ka hadlaya taariikh nololeedkiisa waa la haayaa meesha ey qorantahay in Iiimaamka uu kasoo jeeda Mareexaanka na markaad kasoo saartaan ayaa dadka kula doodaayaan.

Bullshid, if u had anything you would've brought it, voltage presented his case, I am willing to listen to your side, by all means bring whatever you have and their sources while your at it, and Yes, "Afweyne" wrote everything, sometimes even magically teleporting himself back to 400 years before his birth, I accept that (there's a common ground there), but this is a factual thread, so obey the rules.

btw loool@sharaftiisa laga qaado

So just because evidence point that he was Mareexaan, sharaf malahan?

[Rampage]

Very interesting page with some intriguing discussions. its been a while really.

Some of the arguments aggressively presented above appear quite well sourced when they're in fact queen Ann at the front, and aunt Sally at the back.

Ahmad Al Ghazi was never described as a Marehan, not once, in the biggest documentation of the epic battles against the Abyssinians; namely Futuh Al Habasha. Now I have been fortunate enough to have had a look at the book in its original Arabic, and I will be posting my findings below with important passages highlighted for future reference.


The first mention of Hiraabu, the leader of the Marehan, being described here as a two faced hypocrite. In this page we read on how the Imam, took part of his army to go and face Hirabu and his [Hirabu's] tribe; notice they didnt say that the Imaam went to face his tribe, but Hirabu's.

It also has a passage where the Imaam goes back with [the tribe of] Marehan. Not [his] Marehan, keeping in mind that if Marehan was really the Imaam's tribe, the writer would've added the Taa' to make it قبيلته المريحان instead of قبيلة المريحان.

Imam Ahmed was the leader of the Muslims with his once cousin Hirabu being the cheiftain of the Eastern Somalis

Hiraabu was never the Imaam's cousin. This part tells the arrival of Hiraabu on the Imaam and he is described as "someone called Hiraabu". Not "the Imaam's cousin Hiraabu". If there was any relationship between Hiraabu and the Imaam, the word Shakhs شخص wouldn't have been used since its primerely used to describe a person of ignorable status. Check below:




In here the incident that took place between Gerre and Marehan is told and how the Imaam dealt with it. Marehan is described as "another tribe called Marehan". قبيلة اخرى من المريحان. If it was the Imaam's own tribe, why not simply refer to it as قبيلة الامام المريحان or the Imaam's tribe of Marehan instead of saying "another tribe called Marehan"? Because there was no link between them.


I am by no means taking away from the Marehan here, I am merely correcting some historical tales that seem to have gotten lost in translation, and that doesnt take away from anything the Marehans have achieved in the times of the Imaam. They were referred to throughout the book as the Somali, and I feel that in some way I can be proud of that, of their role in that great war.

/Rampage

[zingii]

Imam Ahmed was the leader of the Muslims with his once cousin Hirabu being the cheiftain of the Eastern Somalis

Rampage:
The text clearly mentions the two together so why deny the fact thats staring you in the face?
please elaborate and tell us as to why you dont think it was his cousin.

[Voltage]

I am by no means taking away from the Marehan here, I am merely correcting some historical tales that seem to have gotten lost in translation, and that doesnt take away from anything the Marehans have achieved in the times of the Imaam. They were referred to throughout the book as the Somali, and I feel that in some way I can be proud of that, of their role in that great war.

/Rampage

Nin rag oo nool baa tahay sxb. I am probably more proud of you and that statement then I could be of the Imam being Marehan.

As for those quotes, no they did not get lost in the translation. They are well situated in the English text, however if you notice our sources are more broad than the Futah which was but the observations and opinions of one single foreign man. It's importance lies in the fact it is the only individual testimony. There are other sources as well, Christian Europe and the Ethiopian royal chronicle (the Kebra Negst) which was the foundation for men like Pankhurst. All sources should be used to reach a consensus not rely entirely on the Futah. Two man standing apart can have wide differing opinions about the same single instance.

Still, I am more than welcome to the notion Ahmed Gurey was not Marehan but the idea he was not Somali to ironically deny individual clans claim is sad, which is what most hateful people even on this topic have ran to.

I already said this before:

Exactly. I have already said on this forum that one also needs to look at the Ethiopian record, the Kebra Negast to fill in some of the missing holes.

Pankhurst translated it and wrote as you said above...

...His clan is debatable, but the idea he is not Somali is not. Even the Ethiopian record has him as a Somali.

In any case, I am entirely content in celebrating this history and achievement from a Somali perspective if hateful people would not drag it down the wrong path.