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lol surrender, i dont hate somali women and as you already stated i dont know them.

i just have my preferences when it comes to who i want to marry, and that's not some thing i would like to discuss in public.

here we talking about somali culture and i still believe nothing to be proud of it about it.

no sister, i really wish to see your point out of this.

other than personal attack here, i really dont know what's issue here is.

there is addow , fah and others express their point.

i just expressed my views just like others and people disagree , okay, fine!!

i dont see any problem.

plus i dont see somali girls lining up want to marry me.lol

honestly, i dont know what my preferences to do with the topic. last time i remember we were discussing about culture.

surrender wrote:

Firewall wrote:

surrender wrote:Firewall the issue isn’t backbiting, we all here to discuss the matter at hand, what ever that maybe, by talking about someone/ group of people is not backbiting in this case. But I’m just amazed and sadden how young lad ended up being so anti-Somali women? Like he said his young, well educated – religiously and have not had much or non interaction with Somali women, yet have the capability to name call them and so on. And even knows what hey like personally. I can say a lot or enough about Somali men for example, because I grew up in Somali and in an area of England where there was high Somali population – the biggest Somali population in Europe. Therefore I have more interaction and knowledge about them, compared to someone who isn’t even full Somali, wasn’t brought up with Somalis. Plus this kind of attitude is something our very own legend Mukhtaar would write, or Somali star not religious person.

so if i say somali women are useless and garbage am not backbitting

you are. but hyper did not say that did he? not as far as i know, he just expressed his opinion. im just wondering where he gets all his harsh opinions against our Women?

well he claims to be 3/4 non somali....so that might answer your question.

gedo_gurl wrote:PB:



I think you are short sighted.

Whilst, I, think you’re overreacting. [Mr Green is on holiday it seems]

Like I said, I fully agree that Somalis have more than their fair share of problems. In fact, I have no objections to any of the points you raised (minus the sensationalist bits of course). However, I still insist that none of that equals the extinction of the Somali race. Not unless you coined a new meaning for the word extinct.

PB - That is what I meant by short sighted...the plethora of smallish issues we have now hit our very core, if we continue in this way for more than 3 generations we will seriously begin to die out. Civil war in the country so death by disease/occasional famine/bullet/madfac etc daily, death in seas and deserts for escapees, death in prisons for those who dont quite make it, death in language and culture for some of those who do make it out. A whole lot of death, not something to bury your head in the sand about and assume we will live forever. Many greater and much more organised peoples have died out and are only seen in history books, killed off or let themselves die. I dont want to see that happen to the Somali.

gedo_gurl wrote:PB - That is what I meant by short sighted...the plethora of smallish issues we have now hit our very core, if we continue in this way for more than 3 generations we will seriously begin to die out. Civil war in the country so death by disease/occasional famine/bullet/madfac etc daily, death in seas and deserts for escapees, death in prisons for those who dont quite make it, death in language and culture for some of those who do make it out. A whole lot of death, not something to bury your head in the sand about and assume we will live forever. Many greater and much more organised peoples have died out and are only seen in history books, killed off or let themselves die. I dont want to see that happen to the Somali.

Every society has these smallish issues. Yes, we have lots of divorces but we also have lots of marriages that are and remain strong. It is easy to see though why the divorces catch people’s eyes .

Yes we have unemployed people but we have thousands upon thousands of employed people (you see them everywhere now, from bus drivers, security guards, nurses to the new trend of Somali teachers and lawyers).

I agree that we have many young people in prisons but we also have many others in universities.

I accept that many of the young have lost their language and culture but I would counter by pointing to the many more that deliberately go back home to acquaint themselves with their history and culture.

I understand where your concern stems from and salute your patriotism but, with respect, I still think you are over reacting. I mean even the worst of the worse (and you must agree that we have many of them posting on this site) would still get shocked and point fingers every time someone starts a topic about an Ayaan Hirsi or even some young Somali girl/boy that have done something not in tandem with Somali culture. Heck, even mad Basra starts swearing when confronted with such a thing. Marka, on the issue of my short sightedness versus your overreaction, I think the overreaction has it. Be an optimist, my dear. Things are not as bad as you seem to think.

Paddington Bear wrote:

gedo_gurl wrote:PB - That is what I meant by short sighted...the plethora of smallish issues we have now hit our very core, if we continue in this way for more than 3 generations we will seriously begin to die out. Civil war in the country so death by disease/occasional famine/bullet/madfac etc daily, death in seas and deserts for escapees, death in prisons for those who dont quite make it, death in language and culture for some of those who do make it out. A whole lot of death, not something to bury your head in the sand about and assume we will live forever. Many greater and much more organised peoples have died out and are only seen in history books, killed off or let themselves die. I dont want to see that happen to the Somali.

Every society has these smallish issues. Yes, we have lots of divorces but we also have lots of marriages that are and remain strong. It is easy to see though why the divorces catch people’s eyes .

Yes we have unemployed people but we have thousands upon thousands of employed people (you see them everywhere now, from bus drivers, security guards, nurses to the new trend of Somali teachers and lawyers).

I agree that we have many young people in prisons but we also have many others in universities.

I accept that many of the young have lost their language and culture but I would counter by pointing to the many more that deliberately go back home to acquaint themselves with their history and culture.

I understand where your concern stems from and salute your patriotism but, with respect, I still think you are over reacting. I mean even the worst of the worse (and you must agree that we have many of them posting on this site) would still get shocked and point fingers every time someone starts a topic about an Ayaan Hirsi or even some young Somali girl/boy that have done something not in tandem with Somali culture. Heck, even mad Basra starts swearing when confronted with such a thing. Marka, on the issue of my short sightedness versus your overreaction, I think the overreaction has it. Be an optimist, my dear. Things are not as bad as you seem to think.

gedo_gurl wrote:To what extent can you say that the Somali will become extinct in a matter of a few generations?


- Men with multiple wives only marry the virgins/unwed girls and then divorce them when the baasto or bariis is not cooked on time, leaving more divorcees

- We have already begun to devalue women. This is how the African Americans brought themselves down. By devaluing women in your society, you are creating your own extinction. The word 'whore' and its many synonyms are the most detrimental. What happens then is that either some little girls believe that this is indeed an option (look at the West) or they reject anything which demeans them this much and marry outside of that. Extinction.

Discuss.

men having multiple wives makes us extinct ? and where did you get the "devalue of women" from ? marnaba caadi ma tihid lmao.

somali men are probably the only in the world who do not physically abuse their women or even as little as restrict them, infact Somali men are known for being easy going and not so strict in the Family, also incases of divorce women have something to do with 2.

Paddington Bear wrote:

gedo_gurl wrote:PB - That is what I meant by short sighted...the plethora of smallish issues we have now hit our very core, if we continue in this way for more than 3 generations we will seriously begin to die out. Civil war in the country so death by disease/occasional famine/bullet/madfac etc daily, death in seas and deserts for escapees, death in prisons for those who dont quite make it, death in language and culture for some of those who do make it out. A whole lot of death, not something to bury your head in the sand about and assume we will live forever. Many greater and much more organised peoples have died out and are only seen in history books, killed off or let themselves die. I dont want to see that happen to the Somali.

Every society has these smallish issues. Yes, we have lots of divorces but we also have lots of marriages that are and remain strong. It is easy to see though why the divorces catch people’s eyes .

Yes we have unemployed people but we have thousands upon thousands of employed people (you see them everywhere now, from bus drivers, security guards, nurses to the new trend of Somali teachers and lawyers).

I agree that we have many young people in prisons but we also have many others in universities.

I accept that many of the young have lost their language and culture but I would counter by pointing to the many more that deliberately go back home to acquaint themselves with their history and culture.

I understand where your concern stems from and salute your patriotism but, with respect, I still think you are over reacting. I mean even the worst of the worse (and you must agree that we have many of them posting on this site) would still get shocked and point fingers every time someone starts a topic about an Ayaan Hirsi or even some young Somali girl/boy that have done something not in tandem with Somali culture. Heck, even mad Basra starts swearing when confronted with such a thing. Marka, on the issue of my short sightedness versus your overreaction, I think the overreaction has it. Be an optimist, my dear. Things are not as bad as you seem to think.

Wise words from SNET's Top Garoob producer

gedo_gurl wrote:To what extent can you say that the Somali will become extinct in a matter of a few generations?

- A growing diaspora that finds foreign languages easier to speak in than their own
- Marriages amongst Somalis have become a joke - divorce and remarriage is taken lightly and weddings are nightclubs.
- Within the marriage some fathers are spending less and less time with their kids, this has led to a rise in juvenile delinquents in our community
- Men with multiple wives only marry the virgins/unwed girls and then divorce them when the baasto or bariis is not cooked on time, leaving more divorcees
- Religion has become a tool to score cheap points and is worn and taken off at the whims of the persons desires
- Our culture has been sidelined and we do not seek to preserve our historic poetry and folk tales. If any of you do not understand the importance of culture - read up on Nazi Germany (I read that Goebbels killed men for even bringing the subject up)...without culture, you do not exist as an entity...you are ready for either assimilation or the ghettos and then extinction.
- We have the greatest amount of disunity in the continent and abroad...and when you do not share a common goal, you are then ripe for extinction because the common goals of others will dictate how your country and your development is run...i,e..your extinction is their profit.
- We have already begun to devalue women. This is how the African Americans brought themselves down. By devaluing women in your society, you are creating your own extinction. The word 'whore' and its many synonyms are the most detrimental. What happens then is that either some little girls believe that this is indeed an option (look at the West) or they reject anything which demeans them this much and marry outside of that. Extinction.
- The number of Somali men in prison has been steadily on the rise. Again, you need not look any further than the 'Aborigines' of Australia to see what an effect that will have. Again, extinction. When women are met with either losers, religious hypocrites, men who take marriage lightly and so on...what will happen is that the chasm in our society will grow to much more than simply qabyaalad.....we will die out.

Discuss.

I see this happening, it comes down to parenting. If you build a weak foundation it will break easily, it's that simple.
I'm for anyone marrying whoever they want it's a big world Somali people qabiil qabiil bey isku haystaan nothing wrong with ending up with a non Somali if Somalis don't do it for you but anigu I don't carry if a Somali marries xayawaan let alone ajanabi I don't care I got 99 problems but....., live and let live............... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah all I do is
yeaaaaah.

Paddington Bear wrote:

gedo_gurl wrote:PB - That is what I meant by short sighted...the plethora of smallish issues we have now hit our very core, if we continue in this way for more than 3 generations we will seriously begin to die out. Civil war in the country so death by disease/occasional famine/bullet/madfac etc daily, death in seas and deserts for escapees, death in prisons for those who dont quite make it, death in language and culture for some of those who do make it out. A whole lot of death, not something to bury your head in the sand about and assume we will live forever. Many greater and much more organised peoples have died out and are only seen in history books, killed off or let themselves die. I dont want to see that happen to the Somali.

Every society has these smallish issues. Yes, we have lots of divorces but we also have lots of marriages that are and remain strong. It is easy to see though why the divorces catch people’s eyes .

Yes we have unemployed people but we have thousands upon thousands of employed people (you see them everywhere now, from bus drivers, security guards, nurses to the new trend of Somali teachers and lawyers).

I agree that we have many young people in prisons but we also have many others in universities.

I accept that many of the young have lost their language and culture but I would counter by pointing to the many more that deliberately go back home to acquaint themselves with their history and culture.

I understand where your concern stems from and salute your patriotism but, with respect, I still think you are over reacting. I mean even the worst of the worse (and you must agree that we have many of them posting on this site) would still get shocked and point fingers every time someone starts a topic about an Ayaan Hirsi or even some young Somali girl/boy that have done something not in tandem with Somali culture. Heck, even mad Basra starts swearing when confronted with such a thing. Marka, on the issue of my short sightedness versus your overreaction, I think the overreaction has it. Be an optimist, my dear. Things are not as bad as you seem to think.

Gedo-gurl

Nobody and no thing lives forever,every soul shall taste death,and every people and nations shall disappear.Only Allah(swt) is eternal.

Before we were Somali,we were something else,speaking different languages inhabiting different places.

After Somali,I dare say many of us will again only know other languages and other places.

Alluring wrote:Funny thing is though, there are many guys I know who are in love with Somali women and they aren't Somali. I have heard about stories about Somali women being wanted for marriage and other things by non-Somali men. And look at these stupid Somali men trying to run away from one of the most desired woman on earth. Silly, rabbits!

Mmhmm macan dheeh where is the line for marriage in hand i want to stand in. Somali women one of the most desired women on earth? According to what statistic,ruunti the only people I see who even drool over somali women are jareers who compare you with their women so honestly I say come down from your high horse your not that great.


I don't see how anybody could even accuse hyper of back biting and slandering when he's received nothing but personal insults for his personal opinion. Why cry foul to what he is saying when its a view the whole world has of Somalia,walahi this faux pride in a culture is beyond me. Hyper this goes out to you brother ruunti these women don't care two shits about the Somali culture for they are the ones who stand in line at masjids to sign into marriage lists looking for reverts, they only thing they have against you is not being into them. Its considered ok for a xalimo to want to marry out but when a somali male ever makes the same remarks they all get jump so haa uu biixin be proud of who you are for in the end your just as somali as any of us because you have adeeryal and a qabil.