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[union]

For a "jihad" it sure ended in utter failure. The leader of this "jihad" was killed by a 12 year old, his supporters failed to secure power and the same people who supported him in overthrowing MSB just two decades ago rolled into Mogadishu a few years ago and slaughtered more of their ex allies in one day than MSB did his entire career.

[melo]

Abdalla: This concept of Jihaad being fought for religion, is what Sheikh Umal, and Cumar faaruuq and Co were arguing about in recent times. Umal says that ONLF should not be supported because they have no Islamic agenda. But the other sheikhs, correctly showed, that Jihaad at its core is about defending your rights and your property from oppression. It doesn't always have to be about fighting for Islam in its proper sense. You might be able to do search about what they said back to Umal.

I am aware of the one who is defending his country, the one who´s defending his property and his dignity are all doing Jihad. But what i´ve seen you doing alot is applying a general statement to specific evens that occured. Not a single somali fraction except for Al-Itixad was fighting based on religious grounds. There is no religious justification for what Caydiid did to the poor people of Baidoa nor was there any reason to sneak in at night in Gaalkacyo, the home of the first people who refused the oppression, and kill hundreds of unarmed people. Mujahidin were always welcomed by the people, they're not called Mukulaal Madow

ONLF are fighting against armed army, they didnt starve Eelays to death.

So overthrowing Siyaad was not Justified? Even though he was a tyrant, who left Islam?

You need stop conflating issues, as i said. I am talking about a specific fight. In that regard, they were mujaahiddin. Now did actions later on, remove this title? Yes they did.

The title of Mujaahid is situational. You can be a mujaahid one day, and a mujrim the next day. It is not an absolute term. Similarly, a fight can begin as Jihaad, then turn into an opressive war.

For a "jihad" it sure ended in utter failure. The leader of this "jihad" was killed by a 12 year old, his supporters failed to secure power and the same people who supported him in overthrowing MSB just two decades ago rolled into Mogadishu a few years ago and slaughtered more of their ex allies in one day than MSB did his entire career.

You can look at everything retro respectively, and then condemn. I will not do that. USC and SNM, at that time, were 100% justified in fighting against MSB. Just because things turned sour later on, does not make the initial fight unjustified.

Secondly, the invasion of Somalia was the behest of the United States. The amxaar were forced to invade.

[Voltage]

You have given me such a low grade and unelightened response last thing I will do is waste my time with a brain dead among the two digit IQ level, but I will leave you with this. I have seen you praise Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys more than anyone and this Sheikh, a Hawiye Habar Gidir man just like you fought Caydiid and USC more than any Darood could have and he fought them in the name of religion:

Markey meesha ka baxdey dawladdii milleteriga ahayd Xassan wuxuu ahaa hogaamiye diimeed ka tirsanaa raggii xilligaas ugu tunka weynaa ururkaas, wuxuuna kula dagaalamay ururkii USC deegaanka Araare ee Jubooyinka horraantii sagaashamaadkii, taasoo keentay ismaandhaaf dhexmaray Sheekha iyo wadaado ay qaraabo ahaayeen kuwaasoo ka biyo diidey in lala dagaalamo kacdoonka uu garwadeenka ka ahaa General Caydiid.

http://www.somalireal.com/pageView.php?articleid=4498

Wallahi oo billahi you might have learned to speak English as a refugee in exile, but your brain is as unenlightened and as retrograde as the most ignorant Somali in the bush. You are a disgrace to rational thinking and your misuse of the faith to try to accompany your tribal nomadic ignorance is a disrespect to me and anyone who responds to you. I don't want to judge your future but I know hypocrites of God's faith do not bode well in front of God's judgement.

[siren]

Having Known people in Somalia at the time, I am led to believe that Caydiid in particular, was not directing the random assault on the Darood. In fact, a lot of this butchery, was committed by forces, who weren't the regularly trained USC forces that Caydiid had been mentoring. His complicity in this, was that he didn't preven it from happening, most likely due to him being busy with other more larget scale issues. However, his refusal to reign in these elements of USC are a black stain (like all the other stains) in Caydiid's chequered history.

GTFOH Munafiq moryaan...

[melo]

You have given me such a low grade and unelightened response last thing I will do is waste my time with a brain dead among the two digit IQ level, but I will leave you with this. I have seen you praise Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys more than anyone and this Sheikh, a Hawiye Habar Gidir man just like you fought Caydiid and USC more than any Darood could have and he fought them in the name of religion:

I know what Sheikh Xasan said about Caydiid. I have already said elswhere, that Caydiid turned into criminal, sometime later on. I just believe his fight against MSB was justified, in every sense of the matter. I say the same about all the anti-MSB elements, including Cabdullahi Yusuf.

Wallahi oo billahi you might have learned to speak English as a refugee in exile, but your brain is as unenlightened and as retrograde as the most ignorant Somali in the bush. You are a disgrace to rational thinking and your misuse of the faith to try to accompany your tribal nomadic ignorance is a disrespect to me and anyone who responds to you. I don't want to judge your future but I know hypocrites of God's faith do not bode well in front of God's judgement.

So in conclusion, you cannot refute my claim that Siyaad was a kaafir. Anyone else want to take up the argument, that Siyaad was an actual Muslim? Because if he was not Muslim, then insurrection against him was WAAJIB.

I will not boast, but wallahi Cadiim, i can almost assure you, that my academic credentials far exceed yours. You mistakened by liberal usage of terms, as me not being acquainted with particular issues. I can assure you, that this isn't the case, as i know more about Communist regimes (in particular the Soviet Union and China) than you could ever dream of knowing. You are simply a backward qabiilist and who has now exposed himself as a murji.

[Voltage]

That you sought to compete with me is a testament to your insecurity. I am not in competition with you, I just feel sorry for you both in worldly knowledge as well as legitimate use of heavenly knowledge. You are a Mooryaan and your bran is stunted with the developments of the early 90's. Honestly, as you can see majority of people who responded agree with me. You are a literally a Muuse Suudi Yalaxoow who has learned basic English. Your favorite individual is Sheikh Xassan Dahir Aweys, as you say today, but this Sheikh was fighting USC in 1991, way before Siad even left Mogadishu and from Umal to Aweys to Cayroow, there has been nothing but hatred and ill-feelings toward Aydiid and USC. You are just some Sacad, former child soldier who read two verses in the Qur'an and now wants to misuse it for your tribal ignorance. May God change your mindset if you are genuine or strike you down for your hypocrisy.

[melo]

That you sought to compete with me is a testament to your insecurity. I am not in competition with you, I just feel sorry for you both in worldy knowledge as well as legitimate use of heavenly knowledge. You are a Mooryaan and your bran is stunted with the developments of the early 90's. Honestly, as you can see majority of people who responded agree with, you are a Muuse Suudi Yalaxoow who has learned basic English. Your favorite individual is Sheikh Xassan Dahir Aweys, as you say today, but this Sheikh was fighting USC in 1991, way before Siad even left Mogadishu and from Umal to Aweys to Cayroow, there has been nothing but hatred and ill-feeligns toward Aydiid and USC. You are just some Sacad, former child soldier who read to verses in the Qur'an and now wants to misuse it for your tribal ignorance. May God change your mindset if you are genuine or strike you down for your hypocrisy.

When i see Sheikh Umal next, i will ask him Inshallah, on whether he thinks the elements who fought against MSB were Mujaahids. I know for a fact, that he thought MSB's regime were murtadiin, as he told me this himself, in 1999. I will try and find his contact details, and ill post what he says up here.

The term "Jihad" and "Mujahid" are time specific. You can be fighting Jihaad one day, and weeks later, fighting for an unjustified cause. Similarly, you can be a mujaahid one day, and a criminal another.

I believe fighting against MSB was waajib, and was jihaad. The people who partook in this, at that time, were mujahidiin. You can cry all you want.

[union]

This thread should be locked. It was successful in making the two original targets, Seemeyer and abdisamad, look as stupid and ignorant as they truly are, and as a added bonus the munafiq melo was exposed as a aiddeed worshiping fake waddad.

[Voltage]

Sheikh Umal lives the door next, literally next door, to my Habar Yar (mom's next older sister with her Egyptian kids) in Ganjoni district of Mombasa near foolka Maroodiga. I went there two summers ago and most nights I knocked at his door and we were talking. He would bring me casho and I would stay sometimes until 4 O'clock talking about diinta, American life, my sense of understanding of the world, his positions vis-a-vis Somali. This was going on for 2 months straight. God sees me, he says Siad Barre should have never been overthrown by inhumane rebels and Islamically Siad Barre's reign is more close to fulfilling the Islamic notion of governance then anything that has transpired after him in the last 18 years. Who do you think I am man? You want me to provide pictures as I have done before? You are a tribal mooryaan and you play with God's religion as if it is lego's playground work in elementary school. Ilaahay haku soo hanuuniyo.

[melo]

This thread should be locked. It was successful in making the two original targets, Seemeyer and abdisamad, look as stupid and ignorant as they truly are, and as a added bonus the munafiq melo was exposed as a aiddeed worshiping fake waddad.

Honestly, my Defense of Caydiid in this area, is equally applicable to SNM also. I think, people should re-read my posts, instead of sensationalizing matters. They will understand ever so clearly then, that i was speaking about a specific junction in history. As for what transpired after, whether it be USC's murder of the Majerteen, or the inner Hawiye, and Sacad fights, then I am free from this. That was about the time, we, in the diaspora, lost confidence in USC.

Sheikh Umal lived the door next to my Habar Yar in Ganjoni district of Mombasa near foolka Maroodiga. I went there two summers ago and most nights I knocked at his door and we were talking. He would bring me casho and I would stay sometimes until 4 O'clock talking about diinta, American life, my sense of understanding of the world, his positions vis-a-vis Somali. This was going on for 2 years straight. God sees me, he says Siad Barre should have never been overthrown and Islamically Siad Barre's reign is more close to fulfilling the Islamic notion of governance then anything that has transpired int he last 18 years (this was even after ICU caputred Mogadishu in 2006). Who do you think I am man? You want me to provide pictures as I have done before? You are a tribal mooryaan and you play with God's religion as if it is lego's playground work in elementary school. Ilaahay haku soo hanuuniyo.

Wallahi billahi tallahi, I don't believe this at all. This is the Same Sheikh Umal, who is ranting on about Shariif swearing on an calmaani constitution (the same constitution that existed previously), saying that Siad barre's governance was more Islamic than any regime that came to be in Somalia? Even the same ICU, that sheikh Umal, was raising funds for, and went all the way to xamar to greet? That UMAL?

I listen to Umal's political opinions a lot. As i said, i also spoke to him about MSB quite a few years ago. Either Umal is a hypocrite, or you are lying/manipulating his words.

Umal is hated by Jadiids. That comment is unlike him.

[Voltage]

We are both anonymous and on an anonymous forum. I have exhausted both my intellectual curiosity as well as my benefit of the doubt for you. From now on I am going to ignore your ass but before I do, ask Sheikh Umal when and if you meet him where does he live in Mombasa, does he live next door in a fancy apartment block with a Marehan woman with three children of the former royal family of Egyot before Gamal Abdul Nassar took over and they became exiled (Egyptian royal family of Sacad Saklul family of Albanian Ottoman and Egyptian origin), and has he meet and entertained a young Marehan kid from America who is a nephew of the Marehan woman next door mother of the royal kids. You are a damn hypocrite and from now on, at least to me, a laughingstock.

[Murax]

Welcome to the new age Somali Internet Wadaad/Hypocrite/Mujaahid/Clannist

[damu]

Welcome to the new age Somali Internet Wadaad/Hypocrite/Mujaahid/Clannist

[melo]

At the end of the day, fighting against a tyrant, apostate leader, is waajib, and is of the highest forms of Jihaad. Anyone who threw even a rock, in the cause against the tyrant, should be thanked. AUN all those who died in removing the cancer known as MSB from society. He couldn't even return to the country he supposedly built . Alxamdulillah, the TFG have even understood that going down that path is destruction

It is interesting though, that the people who are opposing them, are those people USC persecuted post 1991. You guys need to stop conflating issues, and specific junctions in history. I commend even CY for his struggled against Siyaad, although, just like Caydiid, he became a national criminal in the latter years. I do not dismiss people's previous actions, because i didn't like their policies after. Stop thinking with your emotions, and start thinking rationality. It is your family ties that are clouding your judgement not mine. I happily, with full heartedness, condemn actions by HG elements when they deserve to be condemned. I don't dismiss virtuous actions however, because of later actions i despise. That is not Just.

I will, for the rest of my life, speak up against that tyrant known as MSB, whenever people, in particular MX qabiilists, try to promote this man as some sort of national hero. Call me a clannist- I thrive in it. When other clannists, call you clannist, and your own people call you a sell out, then you know you are going in the right direction

[zaahidun]

siyaad iyo ceydiid labadoodaba wey geeriyoodeen . qofna ma awoodo in midkood murtadnimo ku sheego isagoo caqligiisa adeegsanayo ama sida eey la tahay , culimada soomaaliyeed qof dhahay ma jiro siyaad murtadnimo ayuu ku dhintay waloow uu danbiya waaweyn galay , lakin qofka muslimka ah danbi wuu gali karaa , lakin January 2, 1995 qof ku cadeyn karo ma jirto inuu ahaa murtad waqtigaas ,saa daraadeed waa danbi weyn qof muslim ah inaad murtadnimo ku xukmiso .
so melo walaal waan ognahay danbiyadiise inuu murtadnimo ku dhintay ma cadeyn kartaa hadii kale mar danbe ha ugu wicin murtad .
ma heysaa culimo tiri murtadnimo ayuu ku dhintay . diintana wexey qabtaa hadaadan qofka cadeyn buuxdo ku haynin eed masabidato in dambi weyn aad xambaareyso.