THERE IS NO CONVINCING ARGUMENT FOR SOMALLAND INDEPENDENCE

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Re: THERE IS NO CONVINCING ARGUMENT FOR SOMALLAND INDEPENDENCE

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Siciid85 wrote:I am more in the camp of somewhere in neutral ground. I do want Somaliland to retain its flag, armed forces, local laws and keep the revenues it collects and from its natural resources(once taped).

We co-founded the country of Somali republic, fought and died for it in wars of '64 &''77 and it makes no sense to abandon everything for Moqdishu. We want to co use the Somali passport and we want our fair share of the funds that Mogadishu takes on our behalf.
If Somalia is willing to accept that, great and if not, they can very much screw themselves

The Somali republic doesn't exist and as long as Somalia thinks and claims that she's the sole representative of the Somali republic there's no point of discussing this issue. Other than fake Somalinimo sentiments, they have no arguments.

The SNM wanted to give the republic a second chance but it was the people that said 'Mar i dage, Alle ha dago. Mar labaad i dagase, anigaa is dagay'. We were fooled once and only an idiot would allow himself to be fooled again. Even if the politicians would accept this idea, the civilians would overthrow them faster than they can say Somalinimo.

We shouldn't unite with Somalia as a matter of principle. That doesn't mean we can't support them and they support us (as if it would happen :lol:)

I'm all for ethnic nationalism but this fake Somalinimo that revolves around a great republic incorporating all Somalis is not only ridiculous, it's impossible to achieve.
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:lol:

It wouldn't be impossible nor would it be a terrible idea but because of the people that exist, it becomes almost like utopia, a pipe dream.

I mean who are we kidding North and South Galkacayo have two Presidents on each side and are threatening each other everyday. It is just crazy wallahi.
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skywalker25 wrote:
Siciid85 wrote:I am more in the camp of somewhere in neutral ground. I do want Somaliland to retain its flag, armed forces, local laws and keep the revenues it collects and from its natural resources(once taped).

We co-founded the country of Somali republic, fought and died for it in wars of '64 &''77 and it makes no sense to abandon everything for Moqdishu. We want to co use the Somali passport and we want our fair share of the funds that Mogadishu takes on our behalf.
If Somalia is willing to accept that, great and if not, they can very much screw themselves
I think thats the pragmatic view. Its not the general Somaliland consensus, although its the logic, most profitable position.
Exactly
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Koan

a parable combined with a riddle, most commonly associated with the teaching of Zen buddhism. A koan confronts the student with a seemingly impenetrable question which is only resolved when through acheiving a deeper understanding of the philosophical point being taught.

One of the most famous koans is "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"


What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Unionist: - you cannot clap with one hand. It takes two hands to clap.

Somalilander: - Clapping/applauding is to strike the palms of your hand together. The idea is to produce sound and one doesn't necessarily needs two hands to make a sound. We been doing it for twenty five years.
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Re: THERE IS NO CONVINCING ARGUMENT FOR SOMALLAND INDEPENDENCE

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djibsomali wrote:why did you put up?
unfortunatly you don't live anywhere near the UK hadii kaleeh i would have proposed you to a dinner party
It's an obscured pic. Bro, did you know that about 100 years ago reer yonis never used to marry. They considered each other too close. :lol:
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skywalker25 wrote:
djibsomali wrote:why did you put up?
unfortunatly you don't live anywhere near the UK hadii kaleeh i would have proposed you to a dinner party
Word of advice you need to give up the alcohol first bro. :lol:
Never had a drink in my life!
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Sophisticate wrote:
djibsomali wrote:why did you put up?
unfortunatly you don't live anywhere near the UK hadii kaleeh i would have proposed you to a dinner party
It's an obscured pic. Bro, did you know that about 100 years ago reer yonis never used to marry. They considered each other too close. :lol:
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lali99 wrote:

Here we go again; relocating SL quest as a legitimate multi-clan State that is vying to regain is independance as merely "reer hebel talks". Another prime example of a "non isaaq talk". Just stop pretenting shagaato.
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Jugjugwacwac wrote:
lali99 wrote:

Here we go again; relocating SL quest as a legitimate multi-clan State that is vying to regain is independance as merely "reer hebel talks". Another prime example of a "non isaaq talk". Just stop pretenting shagaato.
Tanna maxaa wali nagu dhajiyay. Naa naga fuq xabagyahay.
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Siciid85 wrote:I am more in the camp of somewhere in neutral ground. I do want Somaliland to retain its flag, armed forces, local laws and keep the revenues it collects and from its natural resources(once taped).

We co-founded the country of Somali republic, fought and died for it in wars of '64 &''77 and it makes no sense to abandon everything for Moqdishu. We want to co use the Somali passport and we want our fair share of the funds that Mogadishu takes on our behalf.
If Somalia is willing to accept that, great and if not, they can very much screw themselves
sounds great!

Those who r saying I dont wanna less than ictiraf r qarwing in my opinion

Firstly, neither us the konfurians have control on our future governance, we just implement some fait accompli policies that have been made in the neighbouring countries aka IGAD and then was received as a report- that this is the only way somalis...-by the donors who would in their turn fund the "vision"

as somalia is recovering, -though having weak institutions- many westren countries are interesting it economically such as the UK and other EU countries, others security wise such as the US...there r asians such as turkey and china...

during the tfg, there has been a group of countries known as the contact group....this group has given the UK the mandate to arrange the international conferences on somalia

a british diplomat has won too over a norwegian diplomat to lead the UNSOM in somalia

This diplomat, implements the UKs vision thats based on the IGAD reports in the last 10 years, the US has more centralist vision towards somalia and doesnt like this guy who communicates with the british ambassador to somalia

Now the UK-who has its own economical interests...- wants both north and south to open a dialogue.....this was reached in london conference

The spirit of these meetings is to get closer, a more cooperation....however, the SL side who already accepted partaking a "conference on somalia" was seeking ictiraf in every meeting while the somali govt was talking of more cooperation, free movements....establishing two airspace offices in mogadishu abd hargeysa

One of the useful things that SL achieved in these meetings were getting special arrangements in the new deal...it wasnt the donors policy rather some thing that was reached between the two sides in turkey

In the last meetings, SL has began to pressure on the SFG on opening the final files!!!

Whos crazy to open such files? our govt said ok talk about it with your northern brethern who will represent the SFG in the final files!!

Waa lago kala kacay!

SL fm has been meeting the westren diplomats in nairobi and they started opening local files!

No IGAD except djibouti!

Now SL is on the cross roads....either to deal with the govt in mogadishu and reach with her some macqoul settlement such as having a large autonomy

zanzibar could be the best model

Zanzibar was a real independent country led and dominated by the arabs and asians but its dispossessed black people wanted to unite with their brethren in tanganyika and form tanzania

Thousands of arabs and asians have been massacred for the sake of that unification

now they only share currency, foreing policy...no government or parliament...just the zanzibar parliament as institution have 5 representatives in the central parliament for coordination not as an elected mps


The other way is to keep continuing with your ictiraf seeking story and let the other somalis carry on implementing the international agenda on their way!!
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sahal80 wrote:
Siciid85 wrote:I am more in the camp of somewhere in neutral ground. I do want Somaliland to retain its flag, armed forces, local laws and keep the revenues it collects and from its natural resources(once taped).

We co-founded the country of Somali republic, fought and died for it in wars of '64 &''77 and it makes no sense to abandon everything for Moqdishu. We want to co use the Somali passport and we want our fair share of the funds that Mogadishu takes on our behalf.
If Somalia is willing to accept that, great and if not, they can very much screw themselves
sounds great!

Those who r saying I dont wanna less than ictiraf r qarwing in my opinion

Firstly, neither us the konfurians have control on our future governance, we just implement some fait accompli policies that have been made in the neighbouring countries aka IGAD and then was received as a report- that this is the only way somalis...-by the donors who would in their turn fund the "vision"

as somalia is recovering, -though having weak institutions- many westren countries are interesting it economically such as the UK and other EU countries, others security wise such as the US...there r asians such as turkey and china...

during the tfg, there has been a group of countries known as the contact group....this group has given the UK the mandate to arrange the international conferences on somalia

a british diplomat has won too over a norwegian diplomat to lead the UNSOM in somalia

This diplomat, implements the UKs vision thats based on the IGAD reports in the last 10 years, the US has more centralist vision towards somalia and doesnt like this guy who communicates with the british ambassador to somalia

Now the UK-who has its own economical interests...- wants both north and south to open a dialogue.....this was reached in london conference

The spirit of these meetings is to get closer, a more cooperation....however, the SL side who already accepted partaking a "conference on somalia" was seeking ictiraf in every meeting while the somali govt was talking of more cooperation, free movements....establishing two airspace offices in mogadishu abd hargeysa

One of the useful things that SL achieved in these meetings were getting special arrangements in the new deal...it wasnt the donors policy rather some thing that was reached between the two sides in turkey

In the last meetings, SL has began to pressure on the SFG on opening the final files!!!

Whos crazy to open such files? our govt said ok talk about it with your northern brethern who will represent the SFG in the final files!!

Waa lago kala kacay!

SL fm has been meeting the westren diplomats in nairobi and they started opening local files!

No IGAD except djibouti!

Now SL is on the cross roads....either to deal with the govt in mogadishu and reach with her some macqoul settlement such as having a large autonomy

zanzibar could be the best model

Zanzibar was a real independent country led and dominated by the arabs and asians but its dispossessed black people wanted to unite with their brethren in tanganyika and form tanzania

Thousands of arabs and asians have been massacred for the sake of that unification

now they only share currency, foreing policy...no government or parliament...just the zanzibar parliament as institution have 5 representatives in the central parliament for coordination not as an elected mps


The other way is to keep continuing with your ictiraf seeking story and let the other somalis carry on implementing the international agenda on their way!!
It may worl as there being two federal states (somaliland and somalia), capital hargeisa, reform of currency, parliamentary model based on somaliland parliament, no subsidizing which is what sl doesn't want
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I as a southrener dont want integration though there r other people

Federalism will stay in the scope of somalia

Somalilanders will have their own govt, parliament, economical policies, flag

in other words, non of the northern clans will be in our central govt and institutions

Mind you the option of your independence stays there just like kurdistan and zanzibar


let us take for example if a settlement was reached before 2016 in this way

We, in koonfur, would have had less parliament means a more political stability

Now there r over 60 waqooyi mps

If not, a new waqooyi representatives will be gathered to elect the next president, therefore this govt will represent the whole somalia

Turkey was onto reaching an autonomy settlement at the end, after a series of cooperation achievements in all levels.
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Hada waxaa jira qorshe ay xildhibaanada waqooyi wataan

Aduunka waxaa la rabaa in lacag looga cuno msgaca somalia sida war dadkaan odey dhaqameed aanka bilaawney hada waxee gaareen inee dawladii gobolada gaartey oo dhulkii la xoreeyay dadkiina ee toos u doortaan madaxdooda!

Sidaan waxaa beerta ko galooya xildhibaanada waqooyi maadama aysan qurux saneen in la soo dhoo dhoobo wali case kooda ma cada

Marka wexee lee yihiin sanad noogo dara aa meel ko xaaq xaaqano ka mid ah somaliland Kkkkkkk

Meelaha kale dadka waxaa la isugu keenaa caasimad goboleedka
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sahal,
The Zanzibar or Kurdistan model hadii aan Helno, nagama qasnaateen
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^
Lol, that's ridiculous sxb.

That means you accept the fact that Somalia annexed Somaliland. Waa waxay dadkayagu ka dagaalameen starting 1961 with the unsuccesful coup.

Don't accept their narrative, it's based on self entitlement and the perception that they're the guardians and representatives of all Somalis. Their president calls himself ''Madaxweyna Somaliyeed'' and sometimes even ''Madaxweynaha ummada Somaliyeed''. That's why they oppose Somaliland because Somaliland will not only challenge but destroy this fake narrative.
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