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Meyle wrote: so called Sprachbund and that the languages that falls under this category are similar because of language contact and geographic proximity. I support this theory and I believe that the Somali language doesn't share origin with Oromo, Afar, Saho etc. I think they have influenced each other over time. Just look at Afar/Saho. Those languages were more like Beja a thousand years ago but today they are not even close.

a sparchbund with beja and afar/saho yes but not oromo, if af maay is portuguese to italian, oromo is archaic latin to standard somali.
We are clearly close to ormo, linguistically.

lol so Somali is basically equivalent to vulgar latin. I wouldn't be surprised if oromos have a bigger vocabulary than us too. Somali language is very low in vocabulary.

TBH I think this whole Cushitic nonsense is just lazy academics putting a few languages with superficial similarities in one group. Almost certainly afar and beja are not related to Somali. Oromo though is a little trickier. I mean Indo-European languages like Hindi and Russian have more similarities. That just might mean that Afrasian languages are older or split up earlier but I'm still sceptical until proper studies have been done.

hydrogen wrote:Liquid, Adal was Walashma but that itself is a misunderstanding of the world 'walasha'. Basically, it was ruled by Arawello's sister who was Hawiye. Instead of being known as queen of Adal, she was known as Walasha, in the 3rd person of sense of her relation to the queen Arawello. Walashma is just a minor error in language.

Aabe Siyaad taught me, AUN.

source

JalleSiyaad.com/History/IfSiyaadWasHawiye/FakeHistory/Arawello/ArawelloSister/Walashma/Adal

Bermooda wrote:

hydrogen wrote:Liquid, Adal was Walashma but that itself is a misunderstanding of the world 'walasha'. Basically, it was ruled by Arawello's sister who was Hawiye. Instead of being known as queen of Adal, she was known as Walasha, in the 3rd person of sense of her relation to the queen Arawello. Walashma is just a minor error in language.

Aabe Siyaad taught me, AUN.

source

According to the folklore historians of the Southern Suure Dir of the Mudug region, the Akisho and the Gurgure Madahweyne Dir produced some of the most famous Somali folk heroes like the Somali queen Araweelo who was Warre Miyo.

Sorry she is ours Ethiopians have a similar tale of the Queen

He said sister not Araweelo herself but his links isn't working the site yes but cant find his link

Bermooda wrote:He said sister not Araweelo herself but his links isn't working the site yes but cant find his link

Walashma isn't used in Somali sources, those say Cumar Caduunyo or Cumar Wilinwiili. Walashma comes from Waali-Asmac, from his son who wrote his name as Cali son of Waali-Asmac. Cali also had a nickname of Baziwi. Waali-Asmac was a title, not a name or a nickname. Presumably the first Sultan of Ifat was actually Cali, not his father Cumar, and that Waali-Asmac was Cumar's title, not Sultan. Perhaps Asmac was the name of the Zeila region in this time, or perhaps it's an archaic term for the Awash river.

Cali Baziwi is often confused with his father, for instance it was Cali who conquered the Sultanate of Shoa, not his father.

Ceeb. Somalis talking about historical people that don't belong to you. These men weren't part of the traitorous, slimy, snakey nation called Somalis. Nay, these men were of high calibre, honourable, honest and most of all mujahideen for the cause of Islam. Yes, they were looking for more land, wealth and women but this is part of our deen, and iA we shall have vengeance on the Bantus and Habashis.

Hawiye, Darod and Dir are all nothing but scum today until they return to the path of God.

Meyle wrote: I think you misunderstood my statement as well. When reconstructing for instance Ancient Egyptian or even proto Afro-Asiatic he tends to approach the problem from his standpoint and many of his interpretations are marked by this Semitic bias. He's not alone in this, many linguists tend to approach the problem the same way, maybe because Semitic is the most studied of all the languages in that language group. Nonetheless he's a respected linguist (I never said he wasn't).
Some of his colleagues have an interesting hypothesis regarding Cushitic. They believe that Cushitic is a federation of languages, a so called Sprachbund and that the languages that falls under this category are similar because of language contact and geographic proximity. I support this theory and I believe that the Somali language doesn't share origin with Oromo, Afar, Saho etc. I think they have influenced each other over time. Just look at Afar/Saho. Those languages were more like Beja a thousand years ago but today they are not even close.

I've often wondered that as well. For one thing, phonologically, Somali has way more guttural/pharyngeal sounds than any other Cushitic language. There's just a lot more throat action.

Meyle wrote: Ge'ez script and south Arabian scripts like the Sabaean script are quite similar. The Arabs during the 6th century understood the Habeshas when they spoke Ge'ez, for instance during the first Muslim migration to Abyssinia. The two parties were speaking in their respective languages and they understood each other perfectly. Just like when the Assyrians seiged Jerusalem during Sennacherib. The native population spoke Hebrew while the occupying forces spoke Akkadian but they understood each other as well despite speaking two different languages.

The first Muslims were indeed welcomed into Abyssinia. However, they first landed on the shores of northern Somalia before reaching there. We know this for a fact for two reasons.

First, the oldest masjid in the Horn is the Qiblatayn mosque in Zeila, Awdal. It was built in the seventh century I.e. just outside the Prophet's lifetime (saw). This is around 600 years before the Fakr ad-Din and Arba'a Rucun mosques in Xamar were constructed. Second, Al-Yaqubi wrote in the 9th century that there were Muslims already living on the northern Somali coast.

The ancient ties between Abyssinia and the Sabaean and Himyarite kingdoms are likewise well-established. More recent research has shown that those links also extended to other areas in the Horn, including northern Somalia.

For example, there are stone pillars in parts of northern Somalia with Sabaean inscriptions on them. These petroglyphs are similar to engravings found in the Arabian peninsula. They are also distinct from the undeciphered ancient Somali writing script.

Northern Somalia stone pillars with Sabaean writing:



Saudi Arabia stone pillars with Old South Arabian writing:

Bilis wrote:

Meyle wrote: I think you misunderstood my statement as well. When reconstructing for instance Ancient Egyptian or even proto Afro-Asiatic he tends to approach the problem from his standpoint and many of his interpretations are marked by this Semitic bias. He's not alone in this, many linguists tend to approach the problem the same way, maybe because Semitic is the most studied of all the languages in that language group. Nonetheless he's a respected linguist (I never said he wasn't).
Some of his colleagues have an interesting hypothesis regarding Cushitic. They believe that Cushitic is a federation of languages, a so called Sprachbund and that the languages that falls under this category are similar because of language contact and geographic proximity. I support this theory and I believe that the Somali language doesn't share origin with Oromo, Afar, Saho etc. I think they have influenced each other over time. Just look at Afar/Saho. Those languages were more like Beja a thousand years ago but today they are not even close.

I've often wondered that as well. For one thing, phonologically, Somali has way more guttural/pharyngeal sounds than any other Cushitic language. There's just a lot more throat action.

Meyle wrote: Ge'ez script and south Arabian scripts like the Sabaean script are quite similar. The Arabs during the 6th century understood the Habeshas when they spoke Ge'ez, for instance during the first Muslim migration to Abyssinia. The two parties were speaking in their respective languages and they understood each other perfectly. Just like when the Assyrians seiged Jerusalem during Sennacherib. The native population spoke Hebrew while the occupying forces spoke Akkadian but they understood each other as well despite speaking two different languages.

The first Muslims were indeed welcomed into Abyssinia. However, they first landed on the shores of northern Somalia before reaching there. We know this for a fact for two reasons.

First, the oldest masjid in the Horn is the Qiblatayn mosque in Zeila, Awdal. It was built in the seventh century I.e. just outside the Prophet's lifetime (saw). This is around 600 years before the Fakr ad-Din and Arba'a Rucun mosques in Xamar were constructed. Second, Al-Yaqubi wrote in the 9th century that there were Muslims already living on the northern Somali coast.

The ancient ties between Abyssinia and the Sabaean and Himyarite kingdoms are likewise well-established. More recent research has shown that those links also extended to other areas in the Horn, including northern Somalia.

For example, there are stone pillars in parts of northern Somalia with Sabaean inscriptions on them. These petroglyphs are similar to engravings found in the Arabian peninsula. They are also distinct from the undeciphered ancient Somali writing script.

Northern Somalia stone pillars with Sabaean writing:



Saudi Arabia stone pillars with Old South Arabian writing:

Well, places like Seylac were part of the Axumite empire, so it's not strange that you'll find stone pillars with Sabaean script and the first muslims just reached the shores of the Axumite empire. There was no such thing as northern Somalia, even today it doesn't exist. It's Somaliland



The city and the surrounding areas were always occupied by foreigners until Isaaq took over the city and the region by force in the 18th century, chasing out the Arabs and Turks. Emir Sharmaarke Cali Saalax installed Sharia Law. The Qadi of the city was also a Somali man, who was from the Hawiye clan. It was the beginning of a new chapter because it was the first time the city was ruled by Somalis.

Meyle wrote:The city and the surrounding areas were always occupied by foreigners until Isaaq took over the city and the region by force in the 18th century

Jasmine6 wrote:

Meyle wrote:The city and the surrounding areas were always occupied by foreigners until Isaaq took over the city and the region by force in the 18th century

Sometimes you got to be qabiilocentric

I'm not hating, carry on


Meyle may I ask you a question? Is there a specific branch of Isaaq that you would say are undoubtedly the descendants of Sh.Isaaq?

Jasmine6 wrote:I'm not hating, carry on

Jasmine6 wrote:Meyle may I ask you a question? Is there a specific branch of Isaaq that you would say are undoubtedly the descendants of Sh.Isaaq?

Sure.


Nah I don't think there is and besides if that was the case it would be too hard to tell because we live in the same geographical area and one group would eventually assimilate into the other group.

That was a very interesting question though. I think it could be applied to most Somali clans.

Who's the real descandant and who's not.