THERE IS NO CONVINCING ARGUMENT FOR SOMALLAND INDEPENDENCE

[cheifaqilbari]

Somaliland will properly have a referendum UN supervised i.e the eritrea/Ethiopia and Yugoslavia/Montenegro model and the become another U.N. member , thats why the xamar government keep dragging their feet on the international SL/SO Talks The question is when Somaliland becomes recognized will they northernes forget the constant sabotage and hatred from the koonfur since 1960,when moqadisho rigged the union bill referendum. having both friends from the two sides im seing more southerners who are accepting thee inevitable.time will show.

[cheifaqilbari]

Somaliland will properly have a referendum UN supervised i.e the eritrea/Ethiopia and Yugoslavia/Montenegro model and the become another U.N. member , thats why the xamar government keep dragging their feet on the international SL/SO Talks The question is when Somaliland becomes recognized will they northernes forget the constant sabotage and hatred from the koonfur since 1960,when moqadisho rigged the union bill referendum. having both friends from the two sides im seing more southerners who are accepting thee inevitable.time will show.

[sahal80]

sahal,
The Zanzibar or Kurdistan model hadii aan Helno, nagama qasnaateen

you wont get it like that on a golden plate, you have to work for it, adopt it as an Initiative than im sure our govt...

My point is one; your on the cross roads so either you partake the process in general or keep the status quo

if the south gets its shyt together and we r now about to form the last southren federal state, politics will move towards pl and the north in general

as southreners we r finish......next will be pl(constitutionally)the north is not tribally a homogenous region....agenda of disputed region... yet the locals dont even wanna join pl neither and have a northern two regions aganda like the USP group(doesnt mean one clan state, they want to based on 50/50 with either ceerigaabo or laascanood as a possible capital..means splitting sl ....)

This is why this group is now part of the settlement/negotiations-from the govts side-


Its not my opinion or saying it can happen im just posting it.

Wassalam.

[Siciid85]

Sahal i doubt Somalia will come together anytime soon, I see it getting worse. Jubaland issue remains unsolved, Puntland is threatening Galmudug, The central state is a hot issue, rer Hiiraan remain unsatisfied, and you still have 30k peacekeepers fighting against AS. Fari kama qodna Faanoole yet you want us to dive into that mess?

Also please do not insult us, we do not seek anything from you that isnt ours. We have already progressed thru our growing pains and have àn orderly system of government. We have worked hard for over 2 decades, it is you guys that need catching up

It is also interesting to know that your government is willing to entertain groups that are paramount to the stability of Somaliland.

Somaliland is multi tribal off course, but what area isnt? And that doesnt mean your government should try to exploit and harbor hostile tribes because they couldnt get what they want on thé table. It just shows how desperate and out of ideas Xamar is when they are talking about USP! Lol this isnt thé 50s and 60s.

[Siciid85]

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Lol, that's ridiculous sxb.

That means you accept the fact that Somalia annexed Somaliland. Waa waxay dadkayagu ka dagaalameen starting 1961 with the unsuccesful coup.

Don't accept their narrative, it's based on self entitlement and the perception that they're the guardians and representatives of all Somalis. Their president calls himself ''Madaxweyna Somaliyeed'' and sometimes even ''Madaxweynaha ummada Somaliyeed''. That's why they oppose Somaliland because Somaliland will not only challenge but destroy this fake narrative.

No i will never accept such thing. As I said we keep everything we have earned and we will never compromise whats rightfully ours but we go and seek our fair share of benefits that is being collected on our behalf.

I have also suggested that we use the Somali Passeport and have it issued in Somaliland. Our people travel to Garowe to get it anyway. I have an American passport, and most SL politicians have foreign passeports, but will not allow our locals like thé Hujaaj and business people to have this document that would allow them to access to many benefits

My ideas are strickly for thé benefit of thé average citizen.

[theyuusuf143]

Somalia waa asal ma doorshe. Hadaynu bartaa ka taagaanana waxba inagama qaadi karaan. Hadaynu ku biirnana waxba kama faa,iidayno. Somaliland nidaam ahaan wayba ka horaysaa meelahan aa sheegsheegaysaan ee kurdisan iyo zanzibar. Somaliland waa the only de facto country ee aan aduunka aan cidna ku tiirsanayn dhaqaale ahaan iyo military ahaan midna. Wadan xiniinyiihiisa ku socdaanu nahay oo aan cidna u joojinayn. Somaliland uma baahna inay caydh iyo sadaqo darteed Somalia ugu biirto illeeen Somalia wax kaloy haysaa ma jirtee. Ninkaa weyn ee sahal point giisa ugu weyn waa igu soo biir aan caydha caalamku ina siiyo xoogaa kuu xantoobiuee. Wax kale oo vission iyo arin ah ma hayo haduu naf leeyahay beledweyne amisom kumay waardiyeyseen.

[Siciid85]

Somalia waa asal ma doorshe. Hadaynu bartaa ka taagaanana waxba inagama qaadi karaan. Hadaynu ku biirnana waxba kama faa,iidayno. Somaliland nidaam ahaan wayba ka horaysaa meelahan aa sheegsheegaysaan ee kurdisan iyo zanzibar. Somaliland waa the only de facto country ee aan aduunka aan cidna ku tiirsanayn dhaqaale ahaan iyo military ahaan midna. Wadan xiniinyiihiisa ku socdaanu nahay oo aan cidna u joojinayn. Somaliland uma baahna inay caydh iyo sadaqo darteed Somalia ugu biirto illeeen Somalia wax kaloy haysaa ma jirtee. Ninkaa weyn ee sahal point giisa ugu weyn waa igu soo biir aan caydha caalamku ina siiyo xoogaa kuu xantoobiuee. Wax kale oo vission iyo arin ah ma hayo haduu naf leeyahay beledweyne amisom kumay waardiyeyseen.

LMAO

[theyuusuf143]

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Lol, that's ridiculous sxb.

That means you accept the fact that Somalia annexed Somaliland. Waa waxay dadkayagu ka dagaalameen starting 1961 with the unsuccesful coup.

Don't accept their narrative, it's based on self entitlement and the perception that they're the guardians and representatives of all Somalis. Their president calls himself ''Madaxweyna Somaliyeed'' and sometimes even ''Madaxweynaha ummada Somaliyeed''. That's why they oppose Somaliland because Somaliland will not only challenge but destroy this fake narrative.

No i will never accept such thing. As I said we keep everything we have earned and we will never compromise whats rightfully ours but we go and seek our fair share of benefits that is being collected on our behalf.

I have also suggested that we use the Somali Passeport and have it issued in Somaliland. Our people travel to Garowe to get it anyway. I have an American passport, and most SL politicians have foreign passeports, but will not allow our locals like thé Hujaaj and business people to have this document that would allow them to access to many benefits

My ideas are strickly for thé benefit of thé average citizen.

First and foremost we don't need donor money. Donation and loan does not improve any thing. Look at the xabashis they are the world's biggest welfare receiver and the most heavily indebted poor country. Still they are 5 times more poor than war torn Somalia. Secondly if some other country wants to help or do business with Somaliland there is nothing can stop them doing so. We are not like Gaza where Israel blocked every thing. For gods sake we divorced The weak tfg who can not even protect their own presidential place let alone putting sanctions on us.

[Siciid85]

Ok fair point. What about the fact many of our ppl go to Garoowe and get the Somali passport? What do you say about that?

[theyuusuf143]

Ok fair point. What about the fact many of our ppl go to Garoowe and get the Somali passport? What do you say about that?

According to our Government Somaliland passport is accepted in Ethiopia Djibouti, uganda,UAE as far as the UK and US. How ever Saudi Arabia does not accept our passport. The phuking saudis first banned our livestock to subdue our people and now they are blocking us from Ibada lool. I think if Somaliland government organize massive nationwide demonstration against the Saudi. The saudi may accept our passport. We also need to hire arab lobbying firms to push our interest in the Arab world.

[Siciid85]

Warkaas bal dub ugu noqo

[theyuusuf143]

Warkaas bal dub ugu noqo

You can contact Somaliland liaison offices in uk Ethiopia nairobi or Djibouti. Those are well established offices that you give you any information you need about our passport and visas. If you are in hargeisa go to laanta socdaalka. Somaliland passport can be used in all those countries and even some other scandanavian countries. Our passport is well respected in many places compare to the corrupted Somalia passport that every body can buy. In fact Somaliland passport is hard to get.

[jalaaludin5]

[sahal80]

Sahal i doubt Somalia will come together anytime soon, I see it getting worse. Jubaland issue remains unsolved, Puntland is threatening Galmudug, The central state is a hot issue, rer Hiiraan remain unsatisfied, and you still have 30k peacekeepers fighting against AS. Fari kama qodna Faanoole yet you want us to dive into that mess?

Also please do not insult us, we do not seek anything from you that isnt ours. We have already progressed thru our growing pains and have àn orderly system of government. We have worked hard for over 2 decades, it is you guys that need catching up

It is also interesting to know that your government is willing to entertain groups that are paramount to the stability of Somaliland.

Somaliland is multi tribal off course, but what area isnt? And that doesnt mean your government should try to exploit and harbor hostile tribes because they couldnt get what they want on thé table. It just shows how desperate and out of ideas Xamar is when they are talking about USP! Lol this isnt thé 50s and 60s.

Sxb I think your mixing the things...im talking about the vision2016 not the political situation...every country has political problems but the issue that the IC is dealing with in somalia is how to bring back the state

As I stated before this is based on the neighbouring countries strategy for somalia....for example the federalism was adopted in eldorate in ethiopia, then we got the IC who came up with the road map in the transitional era like gathering the elders, the somali-somali conferences, regional stakeholders like pl, galmudug, ahlussuna and the transional federal govt

Now, since 2012 we have an internationally recognized permanent govt-it means no stakeholders-but this govt has to make permanent donor-financed institutions like the permanent constitution, the permanent federal states, general elections and political parties, good governance, judiciary, security, reconciliation

This must be done before august 2016-within a year- no term extension...

By that time, the somali dilemma has been resolved

By next govt, there wont be political crisis as every thing is stated in the constitution regarding the national resources, ports, army, pm vs prez, federal states role,

You wont see no more qaaqland

the political situation will depend on the locals.....its impossible for the govt to make peace between two clans who r rivals within the same region, democracy will decide in such situation but the govt has to protect the legitimacy

Terrorism and corruption will still be there

For security, the govt has to disarm the militias and the warlords, establish a good security

Al shabab has been removed but is there as a terror organization....by countrolling every city there will be less losses

As ideology it will depend on much social and religious reforms but practically whole south-central region should be free from al shabab before the next elections

Establishing SNA throughout the country under one command with the help of the US govt

Some gulf arabs like the f-king UAE want to equip "somali regional forces" before the integration...but anyways it will contribute to the stability

Theres new agenda of paying quarter of the amisom funds to the SNA, thats why their sudden pace in baardheere and diinsoor!

financial reforms and good governance: to get the f-king funds directly we still r behind in this sector but we r intransformation and until then the world bank will manage it through the UNDP

Federalism and constitution, much have been acheived; interim federal states and constitutional commissions have been established such as the electoral and the boundary commission, it will be them who will decide issues like mudug

After hiiraan and shabelle the next file will be making them permanent federal states so we r finish

PL is an autonomous region but it will be a federal state soon

We had a reconciliation agenda towards SL but its not necessary for us or part of our 2016 agenda.....so your officials r wasting their time in trying to pressure on our govt by contacting with the westren diplomats

They knew this but r doing it for fear of their share in funds and they know the only way to get it is to sort out with the govt in mogadishu like the special arrangement in the new deal....im talking about the funds for somalia

Even their own funds have been conditioned with their relationship with nick kay thats why they called him back!

Theres the case of the disputed area, puntland wants it, there r somecnorthern groups who want to form their own state

Since the sl forces control this area and theres khatumo resistance, it will help their case in the IC eyes

these groups are partaking the process through the govt and the diplomatic channels

for more deatails about our 2016 strategy read this independent article

http://www.heritageinstitute.org/somali ... oad-ahead/

[theyuusuf143]

Sahal i doubt Somalia will come together anytime soon, I see it getting worse. Jubaland issue remains unsolved, Puntland is threatening Galmudug, The central state is a hot issue, rer Hiiraan remain unsatisfied, and you still have 30k peacekeepers fighting against AS. Fari kama qodna Faanoole yet you want us to dive into that mess?

Also please do not insult us, we do not seek anything from you that isnt ours. We have already progressed thru our growing pains and have àn orderly system of government. We have worked hard for over 2 decades, it is you guys that need catching up

It is also interesting to know that your government is willing to entertain groups that are paramount to the stability of Somaliland.

Somaliland is multi tribal off course, but what area isnt? And that doesnt mean your government should try to exploit and harbor hostile tribes because they couldnt get what they want on thé table. It just shows how desperate and out of ideas Xamar is when they are talking about USP! Lol this isnt thé 50s and 60s.

Sxb I think your mixing the things...im talking about the vision2016 not the political situation...every country has political problems but the issue that the IC is dealing with in somalia is how to bring back the state

As I stated before this is based on the neighbouring countries strategy for somalia....for example the federalism was adopted in eldorate in ethiopia, then we got the IC who came up with the road map in the transitional era like gathering the elders, the somali-somali conferences, regional stakeholders like pl, galmudug, ahlussuna and the transional federal govt

Now, since 2012 we have an internationally recognized permanent govt-it means no stakeholders-but this govt has to make permanent donor-financed institutions like the permanent constitution, the permanent federal states, general elections and political parties, good governance, judiciary, security, reconciliation

This must be done before august 2016-within a year- no term extension...

By that time, the somali dilemma has been resolved

By next govt, there wont be political crisis as every thing is stated in the constitution regarding the national resources, ports, army, pm vs prez, federal states role,

You wont see no more qaaqland

the political situation will depend on the locals.....its impossible for the govt to make peace between two clans who r rivals within the same region, democracy will decide in such situation but the govt has to protect the legitimacy

Terrorism and corruption will still be there

For security, the govt has to disarm the militias and the warlords, establish a good security

Al shabab has been removed but is there as a terror organization....by countrolling every city there will be less losses

As ideology it will depend on much social and religious reforms but practically whole south-central region should be free from al shabab before the next elections

Establishing SNA throughout the country under one command with the help of the US govt

Some gulf arabs like the f-king UAE want to equip "somali regional forces" before the integration...but anyways it will contribute to the stability

Theres new agenda of paying quarter of the amisom funds to the SNA, thats why their sudden pace in baardheere and diinsoor!

financial reforms and good governance: to get the f-king funds directly we still r behind in this sector but we r intransformation and until then the world bank will manage it through the UNDP

Federalism and constitution, much have been acheived; interim federal states and constitutional commissions have been established such as the electoral and the boundary commission, it will be them who will decide issues like mudug

After hiiraan and shabelle the next file will be making them permanent federal states so we r finish

PL is an autonomous region but it will be a federal state soon

We had a reconciliation agenda towards SL but its not necessary for us or part of our 2016 agenda.....so your officials r wasting their time in trying to pressure on our govt by contacting with the westren diplomats

They knew this but r doing it for fear of their share in funds and they know the only way to get it is to sort out with the govt in mogadishu like the special arrangement in the new deal....im talking about the funds for somalia

Even their own funds have been conditioned with their relationship with nick kay thats why they called him back!

Theres the case of the disputed area, puntland wants it, there r somecnorthern groups who want to form their own state

Since the sl forces control this area and theres khatumo resistance, it will help their case in the IC eyes

these groups are partaking the process through the govt and the diplomatic channels

for more deatails about our 2016 strategy read this independent article

http://www.heritageinstitute.org/somali ... oad-ahead/

Do you really believe direct elections i mean 'one man one vote' can happen in Somalia next year??
Completely impossible !