All the people who say somaliland must forget the past watch this

[Geeljire252]

Firstly Ilahay baa Mahad iska leh. That horrible, haram , dictatorial and tyrannical regime is gone. AUN to the victims of that brutal regime and may Allah grant the highest rank in Jannah to the Somalis that died fighting against it; in order to free their people they paid the ultimate price.

Secondly,
1) yes all Hawiye were targeted by the regime just like Isaaq were.

2) all types of artillery were used against the clans of the south (Hawiye being the majority was subject to the most brutality). From Gaalkacyo to Cadaado to Beledweyne and many more towns and cities were destroyed by the regime.

3) the regime targeted all influential Hawiye( teachers, doctors, bankers, businessmen, professors, government officials even the man who gave Somali independence was exiled). Many Hawiye were unlawfully imprisoned by the illegal regime across the country whilst many others were exiled. Yes they were subject to "extra judicial killings" these started in 1978, 10 years before you.

5) forget about sanctions they looted and closed down entire businesses. My own family business in Kismaayo was looted and set a light by regime forces who were fleeing from USC/SPM liberators while leaving a trail of destruction (scorched earth policy). Hawiye Businessmen were killed because the regime feared they "sponsored outlaws and terrorist group". Farms were looted (e.g Qoryooley, an exclusively HG town and many more places in Jubba and Shabelle) and given to refugees from Bari, Nugaal, Sool and Kilil 5. Houses and land in all major cities likewise the same. Imagine saving up all your life only for a dirty regime to give your farm/land to someone else in the name of "somalinimo". Did this ever happen to Isaaq or any other clan?
The answer is no.

I'm sorry but you were not the only victims of that haram and brutal regime. We all suffered.
Are you denying other clans (e.g Hawiye) suffered under Kacaan?
Why should we blame Xamar for what happened?

[Xildiiid]

Lol, deflecting from the questions as usual.

The first question was, did the regime have a formal policy similar to their 'Dabargoynta Isaaqa policy' targetting the Hawiye with the intention of extirminating the Hawiye clan.
The answer is no and there's not a single source out there claiming that such policy existed.

The second question was, did the regime bombard Hawiye cities using artillery and fighter jets while evacuating non Hawiye residents.
Again, the answer is no. There's not one reported incident by the HRW or any other organization for that matter.

Do you want me to continue?

Are we denying that other clans were killed by the regime? No, we're not.

However, we were subjected to State terrorism unlike other clans.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Just watched the video. @ seeing the old men and women cry. Man what happened in waqooyi was brutal. @ all the responsible ppl

[Geeljire252]

Lol, deflecting from the questions as usual.

The first question was, did the regime have a formal policy similar to their 'Dabargoynta Isaaqa policy' targetting the Hawiye with the intention of extirminating the Hawiye clan.
The answer is no and there's not a single source out there claiming that such policy existed.

The second question was, did the regime bombard Hawiye cities using artillery and fighter jets while evacuating non Hawiye residents.
Again, the answer is no. There's not one reported incident by the HRW or any other organization for that matter.

Do you want me to continue?

Are we denying that other clans were killed by the regime? No, we're not.

However, we were subjected to State terrorism unlike other clans.

Yes there was a policy against Hawiye and other Somalis. Even the defence minister (Morgan) was recorded saying "waa dagaal Darood iyo Hawiye". That's the same as saying "dabargoynta Isaaqa" or saying " waa dagaal Darood iyo Isaaq"

Gaalkacyo, Gawaan, Cadaado, Gelinsoor, Beledweyne, Qoryooley, Afgooye and many more Hawiye towns were destroyed by regime forces.
The regime battered innocents with tanks and heavy artillery.
Look at Beledweyne when it was liberated in 91. More than 65% of the city was reduced to rubble.
Skip to 4:25
https://youtu.be/6BU82M4oMWQ

[Zakiboy]

AUN to the dead and lacnatullah to the perpetrators.

[Xildiiid]

You're still deflecting from the questions because I've dismantled your baseless narrative.

Dabargoynta Isaaqa was a policy acknowledged by the HRW. A similar policy was not directed for other Somali clans.

That video tape and war mongering was from the early 90's civil war between Hawiye and Darood. No state involved.

Beledweyne was destroyed by the war between the organized settler miltia (Ogaden) supported by the regime and the locals. Comparing that to Hargeisa where the regime evacuated all the non Isaaq residents in order to maximize death and destruction by using heavy artillery and aerial bombardments is ludicrous. Give me the name of other Somali cities where foreign mercenaries were hired by the regime to specifically target women and children.

[Geeljire252]

You're still deflecting from the questions because I've dismantled your baseless narrative.

Dabargoynta Isaaqa was a policy acknowledged by the HRW. A similar policy was not directed for other Somali clans.

That video tape and war mongering was from the early 90's civil war between Hawiye and Darood. No state involved.

The state was involved. Morgan was still defence minister. Siad Barre(AUN) was still in the country in Buur Dhuubo Gedo.
That was when the regime was chased out of Xamar all the way to Barawe but they still controlled Jubboyinka and wanted to recapture Xamar.

Beledweyne was destroyed by the war between the organized settler miltia (Ogaden) supported by the regime and the locals. Comparing that to Hargeisa where the regime evacuated all the non Isaaq residents in order to maximize death and destruction by using heavy artillery and aerial bombardments is ludicrous. Give me the name of other Somali cities where foreign mercenaries were hired by the regime to specifically target women and children.

Who told you Ogaden "settle" in Beledweyne?
That city is 100% Hawiye.
it was regime forces along with refugees they armed that destroyed the city. When we captured the city we were merciful to the refugees as you can see from the video.
Other Hawiye towns and cities the regime commited attrocities in: Mogadishu, Buulobarde, Jowhar, Gaalkacyo, Dhusomareeb, Cadaado, Gelinsoor, Docol, Wargalo, Afbarwaaqo, Hilmo, Xingood, Marka, Jazeera, Qoryooley, Afgooye and many more places. The government destroyed all the towns above by brute force and heavy artillery. They didn't destroy themselves!

No one is deflecting from the point, you either blind and can not read or just plain stupid. Atrocities against Hawiye and other clans( rahanweyn and jareer) started in 1974 when our farms in Jubba (Middle and Lower Jubba) and Lower Shabelle were forcefully taken from us and given to others.
Massacres by regime forces against us started in 1978 in Hiiraan and middle Shabelle. 1982 in Gobolada Dhexe (Galgaduud and Mudug).10 years before the government even saw you as a threat. 10 years you were living in peace while our people were being butchered, our farms looted, our wells poisoned, food blocked from entering our towns and cities.

It's not about policies it's about action. The brutality of the government was against Hawiye. Are you denying this?

As for foreign mercenaries, the only reason the regime used them was because your fellow Somalis in the airforce were deserting and landing their planes in Aden and Djibouti. This lead to a lack of forces in the north and as the forces in the south were bogged down fighting civilians, foreign mercenaries (Rhodesian Pilots) were paid to fill the gap. Not because the regime "hated you more".

[Xildiiid]

Lol, ma waxaad fahmi kari wayday 'settler militia'? It's obvious that you're either trolling or that you suffer from comprehension disorder.

The regime officially ceased to exist in late January 1991. The video was filmed prior to the Hawiye-Darood battle of Kismaayo in 1992. So how was he a defense minister when he actually said in the video that it's a tribal war between two clans? You're actually distorting facts so that it suits your narrative because your arguments are baseless.

Which leads me to why you're deflecting from my questions because you can't prove your case.

The regime did not use heavy artillery against any of the cities you've listed. Those cities were destroyed by the Hawiye-Darood civil war and Mogadishu was specifically destroyed by the war between the Caydiid vs Cali Mahdi faction of the USC.

Actually the atrocities started in 1978 with the excecution of Isaaq officers in Hargeysa after the 77-78 war, The WSLF specifically targetting Isaaq nomads and the detention and extrajudicial killings of peaceful protestors. The situation escalated and as a result the SNM was formed in early 1981 after the regime ignored the calls of our elders who wanted a peaceful solution.

Lol, If it's about actions and not policies, how come Hargeisa, Arabsiyo and Kalsheikh among other places settled by Isaaq in SL were subjected to aerial bombardment and not any of the towns in Somalia?

3 pilots defected but I'm sure that the airforce was not made up by 3 pilots´only?

[Geeljire252]

Lol, ma waxaad fahmi kari wayday 'settler militia'? It's obvious that you're either trolling or that you suffer from comprehension disorder.

The regime officially ceased to exist in late January 1991. The video was filmed prior to the Hawiye-Darood battle of Kismaayo in 1992. So how was he a defense minister when he actually said in the video that it's a tribal war between two clans? You're actually distorting facts so that it suits your narrative because your arguments are baseless.

Which leads me to why you're deflecting from my questions because you can't prove your case.

The regime did not use heavy artillery against any of the cities you've listed. Those cities were destroyed by the Hawiye-Darood civil war and Mogadishu was specifically destroyed by the war between the Caydiid vs Cali Mahdi faction of the USC.

Actually the atrocities started in 1978 with the excecution of Isaaq officers in Hargeysa after the 77-78 war, The WSLF specifically targetting Isaaq nomads and the detention and extrajudicial killings of peaceful protestors. The situation escalated and as a result the SNM was formed in early 1981 after the regime ignored the calls of our elders who wanted a peaceful solution.

Lol, If it's about actions and not policies, how come Hargeisa, Arabsiyo and Kalsheikh among other places settled by Isaaq in SL were subjected to aerial bombardment and not any of the towns in Somalia?

3 pilots defected but I'm sure that the airforce was not made up by 3 pilots´only?

Ma doqon baa tahay?
Darood-Hawiye civil war kulaha
The regime destroying all the wells in Mudug and Galgaduud which caused 300,000 innocents to die is Darood-Hawiye civil war?
The regime blocking all food entering Galgaduud, Hiiran, Mudug, Middle Shabelle is Darood- Hawiye civil war?
Using the 21st, 54th, 60th and 77th military sectors to mass slaughter civilians in south and central Somalia is Darood-Hawiye civil war?
The regime arresting, killing and forcing southern influentials is Darood-Hawiye civil war?
The regime denying any non MOD access to university is Darood-Hawiye civil war?
The regime removing any non MOD from the government is Darood Hawiye civil war?
Looting land and farms from southerns is Darood-Hawiye civil war?

You are either plain stupid or a hate-filled. How can you openly deny attrocities the regime in south central Somalia passing it on as "Darood-Hawiye civil war while claiming the same regime commited a "genocide" against you. Face the reality the regime targeted us both.


Like you said that video was filmed before 92, the dying days of the regime it had already been chased out of Xamar, Gaalkacyo, Beledweyne, Jowhar. The regime didn't "cease to exist" but It only remained in Jubboyinka, gedo and parts of Bay and Bakool.
Morgan was Defence minister when he said it is a "war between Darood and Hawiye" . He said this to pass on the uprising against the tyrannical dictatorship by USC as "dagaal Darood iyo Hawiye" , which has been debunked many times because many Darood fought for USC (Cawrmale, Ogadeen, Bartire and many more). He said this to get support from his Darood clan in the south so he could reinstall the regime in Mogadishu, something he clearly stated.

As for the airforce more than 3 pilots defected. Many flew their planes to Djibouti and Aden in order to avoid "bombing their brothers". Many others refused to even get in the planes and joined rebellions across the country such as SNM, SSDF, USC, SPM, SDM, SSNM, and many more. Many others also fled the country or were slaughtered by the regime.

[Xildiiid]

Lol, you're playing a game of mixing events so that it suits your arguments.

You keep ignoring my questions because you can't answer them with facts so you're bringing up a video of Morgan in 1992 at the height of the Darood-Hawiye civil war prior to the main battle of Kismaayo that also took place in 1992 (you have a hard time understanding basic English) to prove that the regime had a specific policy to extirminate Hawiye.

You see how ridiculous your game is.

No one is denying that the regime committed crimes in other parts of the republic but it wasn't a state policy of systematic oppression and extirmination like it was in Somaliland.


You also need to bring proof that the military divions you mentioned participated in the killing of civilians. In Mudug it was the 'Red Berets' and 'Victory Pioneers' that poisoned wells, killed and raped civilians.

3 pilots defected with their planes. That's about it.

[Geeljire252]

Lol, you're playing a game of mixing events so that it suits your arguments.

You keep ignoring my questions because you can't answer them with facts so you're bringing up a video of Morgan in 1992 at the height of the Darood-Hawiye civil war prior to the main battle of Kismaayo that also took place in 1992 (you have a hard time understanding basic English) to prove that the regime had a specific policy to extirminate Hawiye.

You see how ridiculous your game is.

No one is denying that the regime committed crimes in other parts of the republic but it wasn't a state policy of systematic oppression and extirmination like it was in Somaliland.


You also need to bring proof that the military divions you mentioned participated in the killing of civilians. In Mudug it was the 'Red Berets' and 'Victory Pioneers' that poisoned wells, killed and raped civilians.

3 pilots defected with their planes. That's about it.

1992 kulaha

Kismaayo was liberated Wednesday 24th April 1991.
Mogadishu was liberated 26th January 1991.

That video in which Morgan was filmed saying "waa dagaal Darood iyo Hawiye" was filmed before April. Siad barre (AUN) was still in the country, the regime still held ground, even Hargeisa had not been liberated yet. That means he was still Defence Minister.


It's not me that's avoiding questions, it's you.
Answer this question.
Why do you still blame Xamar and other Somalis for what a tyrannical and dictatatorial regime did?

[Xildiiid]

The SPM (Gabyow & Morgan faction) recaptured Kismaayo the same year i.e 1991 and they controlled it until mid 1992 when the alliance between Caydiid and Jess (who had been ousted from Kismaayo by Gabyow) defeated the SPM.

In the video you can hear Morgan say that some Darood allied themselves with the Hawiye instead of their kin. You can also see Gabyow in the end of the video preaching to his followers and militiamen.

How was Morgan a defense minister in 1992 when the regime and their rule officially ceased to exist in late January, 1991?

I don't blame Mogadishu nor do I blame innocent civilians. I blame the regime and people who supported the regime because of clan allegiance, it's that simple.

The quest to recreate Somaliland and to regain her long lost sovereignty precedes Afweyne Barre and the atrocities committed by his regime, if that's what you're insinuating. The illegitimate 'parliamentary elections' of 1961 became the straw that broke the camels back. And yes, I support SL and she will never unite with Somalia.

Now that I've answered your question, can you answer my previous questions and bring facts to prove your case for each question because I'm not asking for your opinion like you did with your question.

[Geeljire252]

The SPM (Gabyow & Morgan faction) recaptured Kismaayo the same year i.e 1991 and they controlled it until mid 1992 when the alliance between Caydiid and Jess (who had been ousted from Kismaayo by Gabyow) defeated the SPM.

In the video you can hear Morgan say that some Darood allied themselves with the Hawiye instead of their kin. You can also see Gabyow in the end of the video preaching to his followers and militiamen.

How was Morgan a defense minister in 1992 when the regime and their rule officially ceased to exist in late January, 1991?

I don't blame Mogadishu nor do I blame innocent civilians. I blame the regime and people who supported the regime because of clan allegiance, it's that simple.

The quest to recreate Somaliland and to regain her long lost sovereignty precedes Afweyne Barre and the atrocities committed by his regime, if that's what you're insinuating. The illegitimate 'parliamentary elections' of 1961 became the straw that broke the camels back. And yes, I support SL and she will never unite with Somalia.

Now that I've answered your question, can you answer my previous questions and bring facts to prove your case for each question because I'm not asking for your opinion like you did with your question.

Firstly let me correct you on a number of points.
Aden Madoobe (Gabyow) was released from prison by USC when we chased the regime out of Xamar.
Secondly the regime was fighting up until April 1992 when we chased them out of Somalia. This means Morgan was still part of the dying regime when gabyow joined him. Also do you know why Morgan elected gabyow as chair of his forces, even though most of his forces were mainly Marehan in in the army and Harti militia?
It was to break Absame from USC/SPM. He wanted all Darood to side with him so he could stand a "slight chance" against USC.
This woman although she's preaching hate explains it.
"Kablalax waaxu ku qurux badnaa Harti iyo Absame isku duubnantii"
https://youtu.be/jdw8jOl2oTI

Morgan knew he was no match against the allied forces of USC but when SPM joined USC, he feared more of his soldiers would join them. That's why he said Hawiye is not after the regime it's after Darood, "waa dagaal Darood iyo Hawiye".

"I don't blame Mogadishu nor do I blame innocent civilians."

That's all I was asking for how difficult is it. You could have easily said that without claiming the regime hated you more or "genocide" and that you want to "play hard ball with other Somalis".


As for sources, look a few pages back, I posted links to books and a HRW article aswell as videos, I don't want to repeat myself.

Finally, I was not after your independence nor does it affect me. i was just saying stop blaming us for what a dictatorial and tyrannical regime did. That's it.

[STARKAST]

The state didn't use genocide against the isaaq clan when in fact it was against the SNM, hence why gadabuursi where unaffected. Did the state also carry out genocide on the Majerteen ? Or was it against the SSDF.

The last regime was a dictatorship, and it used ruthless means to cement their power militarily and remove any political dissent or Civil disobedience.

The life of Isaaq (Dir) is no more valuable than Madhibaan, or any other Somali clan on the horn of Africa.
Countless of Somali clans perished and we must all move on through reconciliation, and work together for a better tommrow.

The last government doesn't exist today who caused much of the problems. So move on.............
This clan stalemate is putting the breaks on development socially and economically.

Fear Allah.

[jalaaludin5]

The state didn't use genocide against the isaaq clan when in fact it was against the SNM, hence why gadabuursi where unaffected. Did the state also carry out genocide on the Majerteen ? Or was it against the SSDF.

The last regime was a dictatorship, and it used ruthless means to cement their power militarily and remove any political dissent or Civil disobedience.

The life of Isaaq (Dir) is no more valuable than Madhibaan, or any other Somali clan on the horn of Africa.
Countless of Somali clans perished and we must all move on through reconciliation, and work together for a better tommrow.

The last government doesn't exist today who caused much of the problems. So move on.............
This clan stalemate is putting the breaks on development socially and economically.

Fear Allah.

The state did commit genocide against Isaq. For you to dress it up as nothing more than crashing rebels and disobedience is disingenuous to say the least.

I understand about the need to move on but in order to heal and move those crimes have to be acknowledged.. So what if there were other crimes committed by the kacaan? What has one genocide got to do with another crime committed somewhere else by the same perpetrators?

Personally I do not like to dwell in the past and i hold no ill will towards any particular clan but to downplay genocide is downright blasphemy.

While we go around in circles, you denying genocide, and me going on about what happened to me yesterday, the filthy xabashi is laughing his head off as he stroke his groin getting a hard on by our bickering.

Xabashi ba kuligeen madaxa inagaga kaaja, inaguna inagi ba isku maqan oo indhaheenu nin kale oo soomaali ah mooye wax kale ba ma arkaan.

Nacala SINJIYADA SOOMAALI ee IBLIS ku abtirsada ku yaal.
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