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http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=802We genotyped a total of 389 males from Somalia, Sub-Saharan Western Africa, Turkey, and Iraq by a PCR based assay with co-amplification of 25 DNA-fragments and detection of 35 Y chromosome biallelic markers with the single base primer extension technique. A total of 19 different haplogroups were identified. In Somalis, 14 haplogroups were identified. The haplogroup E3b1*(xE3b1b) was found in 77.2 % of the male Somali population, in 6.3 % of Iraqi males and in 1.7 % of male Turks whereas E3b1* was not found in Sub-Saharan Western African males. The frequency of haplogroup E3b1*(xE3b1b) in Somali males is the highest observed in any populations to date, and we suggest that the Somali male population is the origin of this haplogroup. Furthermore, the results are in agreement with a gene flow from Eastern to Northern Africa from a homeland in Somalia. In Somalis, 13.4 % of the males carried J or K haplogroups, which are found relatively frequent in e.g. Iraqis, Turks, and other Arab and Asian populations. This might reflects the historical findings of foreign trading posts at the Somali Gulf of Aden from the 7th century. The distribution of haplogroups will be compared to those in Western African population.
Any Somali, no matter how much they hate a clan, I don't think would even say another clan is from Jareer. Doesn't make sense, seriously.The time of the eastbound Bantu expansion was estimated to be 3400-1100 years ago. Bantu populations have high frequencies of E3a haplogroups. We have observed only a few individuals with the E3a haplogroup in our Somali population, thus, supporting the view that the Bantu migration did not reach Somalia. It has been suggested that a barrier against gene flow exist in the region. The barrier seems to be the Cushitic languages and cultures to which Somalis belongs. The Cushitic languages belong to the Afro-Asiatic languages that are spoken in Northern and Eastern Africa. The Cushitic languages and cultures are mainly found in the Somalis and the Oromos, one of the two main groups inhabiting Ethiopia. The Somali and Oromo languages have a high degree of similarity and the two populations share many cultural characteristics. The Somali and Oromo people live in clans with special patterns of marriage and the Somali and Oromo people have complex, interwoven pedigrees.
No doubt! I just don't believe there was a Bantu migration or really even a Bantu presence. 150 years ago, was there anyone living in the Jubba River valley? I don't think so. There were run-away slaves/servants later on who build their farms and own lives and stuff, but I don't believe that any Somali clan comes from a Bantu ancestor.eternauta wrote:FAH1223, you take what you have quoted at face value? This sort of study or research is at its infancy stage. Not long ago, scientists were claiming for many decades a type of dinosaur used to roar, but now claim it couldn't roar because of new in-depth discoveries or proofs. With advanced technology in the near-far future, what you have quoted could change as scientists discover new data/knowledge at the sub-sub level of the field of genetics, DNA, etc.
Well, I read these sort of studies just to know what sort of studies are there, but I don't take them at face value. As to whether Somalis are descendants or origins of a certain race/ethnicity, it has little or no relevance. A Bantu isn't better than Somali, vice versa. An Arab isn't better than a Bantu, vice versa. An Anglo-Saxon isn't better than a Somali, vice versa. The only criterion that one can be better than the other is taqwa.FAH1223 wrote:What is your take? I know it is a bit of a trivial issue and I am suprised I am posting as much, I guess it is interesting.
True.eternauta wrote:Well, I read these sort of studies just to know what sort of studies are there, but I don't take them at face value. As to whether Somalis are descendants or origins of a certain race/ethnicity, it has little or no relevance. A Bantu isn't better than Somali, vice versa. An Arab isn't better than a Bantu, vice versa. An Anglo-Saxon isn't better than a Somali, vice versa. The only criterion that one can be better than the other is taqwa.FAH1223 wrote:What is your take? I know it is a bit of a trivial issue and I am suprised I am posting as much, I guess it is interesting.
FAH,FAH1223 wrote:We genotyped a total of 389 males from Somalia, Sub-Saharan Western Africa, Turkey, and Iraq by a PCR based assay with co-amplification of 25 DNA-fragments and detection of 35 Y chromosome biallelic markers with the single base primer extension technique.
What a come back, you picket up were you left off after Wareer dropt the "primitive boon" bomb, back to your usual horseshit. I can see your making the same old mistakes which pissed off Wareer and the rest of the Harti in your attempt to taking cheap shots at MJs. Even with your 30 days leave of absence your still making the same old mistakes of involving the whole Harti clan in your cheap shots directed at MJs, no wonder Wareer had enough of your horesh!t.Harti came to Jubbland as scouts and guides to the Italians they had known in Majeerteenya. However, the Marehan came to proselytize the Islamic religion to the peoples of the south.
Abdiwahab,Abdiwahab wrote:Kenadid got defeated and left with his tail between his legs. He relied on foreign arms and foreign soldiers to hold the land. Once the Sacad got armed, the jig was up.
