THERE IS NO CONVINCING ARGUMENT FOR SOMALLAND INDEPENDENCE

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Re: THERE IS NO CONVINCING ARGUMENT FOR SOMALLAND INDEPENDENCE

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sahal80 wrote:
Siciid85 wrote:Sahal i doubt Somalia will come together anytime soon, I see it getting worse. Jubaland issue remains unsolved, Puntland is threatening Galmudug, The central state is a hot issue, rer Hiiraan remain unsatisfied, and you still have 30k peacekeepers fighting against AS. Fari kama qodna Faanoole yet you want us to dive into that mess?

Also please do not insult us, we do not seek anything from you that isnt ours. We have already progressed thru our growing pains and have àn orderly system of government. We have worked hard for over 2 decades, it is you guys that need catching up

It is also interesting to know that your government is willing to entertain groups that are paramount to the stability of Somaliland.

Somaliland is multi tribal off course, but what area isnt? And that doesnt mean your government should try to exploit and harbor hostile tribes because they couldnt get what they want on thé table. It just shows how desperate and out of ideas Xamar is when they are talking about USP! Lol this isnt thé 50s and 60s.
Sxb I think your mixing the things...im talking about the vision2016 not the political situation...every country has political problems but the issue that the IC is dealing with in somalia is how to bring back the state

As I stated before this is based on the neighbouring countries strategy for somalia....for example the federalism was adopted in eldorate in ethiopia, then we got the IC who came up with the road map in the transitional era like gathering the elders, the somali-somali conferences, regional stakeholders like pl, galmudug, ahlussuna and the transional federal govt

Now, since 2012 we have an internationally recognized permanent govt-it means no stakeholders-but this govt has to make permanent donor-financed institutions like the permanent constitution, the permanent federal states, general elections and political parties, good governance, judiciary, security, reconciliation

This must be done before august 2016-within a year- no term extension...

By that time, the somali dilemma has been resolved

By next govt, there wont be political crisis as every thing is stated in the constitution regarding the national resources, ports, army, pm vs prez, federal states role,

You wont see no more qaaqland

the political situation will depend on the locals.....its impossible for the govt to make peace between two clans who r rivals within the same region, democracy will decide in such situation but the govt has to protect the legitimacy

Terrorism and corruption will still be there

For security, the govt has to disarm the militias and the warlords, establish a good security

Al shabab has been removed but is there as a terror organization....by countrolling every city there will be less losses

As ideology it will depend on much social and religious reforms but practically whole south-central region should be free from al shabab before the next elections

Establishing SNA throughout the country under one command with the help of the US govt

Some gulf arabs like the f-king UAE want to equip "somali regional forces" before the integration...but anyways it will contribute to the stability

Theres new agenda of paying quarter of the amisom funds to the SNA, thats why their sudden pace in baardheere and diinsoor!

financial reforms and good governance: to get the f-king funds directly we still r behind in this sector but we r intransformation and until then the world bank will manage it through the UNDP

Federalism and constitution, much have been acheived; interim federal states and constitutional commissions have been established such as the electoral and the boundary commission, it will be them who will decide issues like mudug

After hiiraan and shabelle the next file will be making them permanent federal states so we r finish

PL is an autonomous region but it will be a federal state soon

We had a reconciliation agenda towards SL but its not necessary for us or part of our 2016 agenda.....so your officials r wasting their time in trying to pressure on our govt by contacting with the westren diplomats

They knew this but r doing it for fear of their share in funds and they know the only way to get it is to sort out with the govt in mogadishu like the special arrangement in the new deal....im talking about the funds for somalia

Even their own funds have been conditioned with their relationship with nick kay thats why they called him back!

Theres the case of the disputed area, puntland wants it, there r somecnorthern groups who want to form their own state

Since the sl forces control this area and theres khatumo resistance, it will help their case in the IC eyes

these groups are partaking the process through the govt and the diplomatic channels

for more deatails about our 2016 strategy read this independent article

http://www.heritageinstitute.org/somali ... oad-ahead/

Do you really believe direct elections i mean 'one man one vote' can happen in Somalia next year??
:damn: Completely impossible !
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War dadkaan thick sanaa, thats the agenda

Heritage waxa ku qoran about the elections are mare predictions

The right info is in my thread about how the next next elections will look like...its inside info.
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Sahal eldoret was kenya not Ethiopia ....You knew the old pigs farm where all the southern leaders where collected. With regards to 2016 IC only made it for Italian South they knew very well the Somaliland republic position they heard it more thN 20 years. .heritage institute is a a moqadisho based thinkthank it is and will never be neutral on Somaliland independence . Somaliland controls all of territory has had one mann one vote not once once but more than 5 times election Somaliland independence is based on 97 % the will of the people and that can not be changed . I personally would like to see population exhange like the greecer turkey population exChange in 1920's and so the last few somaliweyne believers can send to xamar and the northernes who want to return home safely can return home and then close the border with borderforce between my home region of sanaag and the south and theirby stop the exhange of movement of people but welcome trade bwteen the two countries.
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Sxb your information has no bases

Yes eldorate is in kenya but the conference was arranged by ethiopia

We had the UN-recognized TNG govt led by abdiqasim and backed by djibouti and the somali islamist such as al islah

The UN has arranged a peace conference on somalia in djibouti through the civil society not the warlords so the ikhwan dominated-civil society has elected abdiqasim

At that time the US govt was backing and depending on the warlords against the jihadist so it didnt support qasim

But the pro-american pm ali khalif has changed a lot and when he was close to change the relations with the US, ethiopia has infiltrated qasim that it will let the warlords join him if he removes khalif

This bc khalif was anti-ethiopia and he stood against her bc of its occupation of buulo xaawo(there was al itihad/somaligalbeed jihadists)

Based on this deal, two mogadishu warlords have joined qasim, a new cabinet was formed with a lot of pro-ethiopian elements

Kenya has seen that reer mogadishu are getting on together (qasim, qanyare, yalaxoow) so she wanted to make a deal between the TNG and the opposition led by politicians like abdullahi yusuf by giving them the pm position

Qasim has agreed this and when his delegation arrived kenya including the pro-ethiopian elements to form a unity govt under his leadership, an ethiopian delegation have arrived nairobi asking to change the meeting to a reconciliation conference in wich a whole new govt will be elected!

Since qasim was already infiltrated by ethiopia, his pro-ethiopian elements have agreed and attended the conference

Finally his pm has joined them!

Thats how his govt collapsed due to the ethiopian infiltration

The then opposition
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_ ... on_Council

Yalaxoow was the strong abgaal man at that time who replaced ali mahdi so when he saw that hes backed by ethiopia this is what he said
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2488171.stm

salaad ali jeele who became the defense minister was part of it, hiiraans strong man col hassan qalaad

The somali file is in the uks hands and the man who deals with it is mark lyall grant its ambassador at the UNSC, not the uk ambasdador to somalia. he was leading the SC in its visit to mogadishu

Find out what he thinks of sl
http://www.innercitypress.com/ukfalk1so ... 62013.html

This means "we recognize one federal somalia but there has to be a dialogue with sl to make it part of it"

The vision16 is about the south bc the things it deals with are existing already in sl but they will come to sl after the south acheives that level

They r dealing now with somaliland in the development sector

If you read the new deal compact you will see the funds that were allocated for sl are found in the development and humanitarian sectors not in the security, judiciary and good governance sectors

But now SLs devolopment sector has been placed under nick kay, that why you called him back!

This was told your FM and they met in london

When he finishes the south, later, the two approaches will be united under him

now theres a dialogue with sl but one day he will involve more in the northern files including the disputed area and a future settlement between somaliland and the govt in mogadishu or that will be in mogadishu in the next stage.
http://somalilandsun.com/index.php/poli ... -hargeisa-
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UN arranged this and that, roadmap, vision 16. When are your people going to stand up and think on their own?

To even put faith as you said "neighboring countries strategy for Somalia" is an insult to any free thinking Somali.

Waxaas hanola iman anaga. Come up with something you produced with your own cerebral faculty.
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The problom with Sahal,

He takes what the UN and other international
entities say as a Qur'an. Now, all what we hear about
is 2016 and how Somalia is gonna witness a huge
political transition etc, etc ...

Than when 2016 come, without any fundamental or breakthrough
achievements for Somalia as a whole. Next thing you know, we're gonaa hear about 2020 and what
that white trash representer said in some conference the other side of the planet ....

It's like running in circles.

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Rambie wrote:The problom with Sahal,

He takes what the UN and other international
entities say as a Qur'an. Now, all what we hear about
is 2016 and how Somalia is gonna witness a huge
political transition etc, etc ...

Than when 2016 come, without any fundamental or breakthrough
achievements for Somalia as a whole. Next thing you know, we're gonaa hear about 2020 and what
that white trash representer said in some conference the other side of the planet ....

It's like running in circles.

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I actually see it getting worse( and I say this not as a curse) but because dabinka loo dhigay Somaaliya oo aanay war ka hayn ayaan ka naxsanahay. What good can come out from strategy adopted by Ethiopia and Kenya with IC backing. Waan ka xumay.

they further divided already hostile and divided community by introducing this wild system of 2 or more states constituting a federal state. This genius plan is already working its magic in Central state.
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Sahal and saciid let me just return to the socalled somali basboor issue , .couples year back I was doing umrah when these central African guy's from chad came up to me and my group in the middle of Mekkah thanks us whole heartily and said all their family was sent to America by somalia bassport sold to them by koonfurians for penniies . Obvious I was gobsmacked , but asual my southern friends was laughing and seeing the entire situation as funny.the biggest issue I have with you southerners people is a handshake is never a handshake . A true never honoured and a agreement never fulfilled. This and many more reasons why I advocate for a full militarized Somaliland border control Sanaag(my home region) whereby we control the border from alshabab south , so at least we Somalilanders can live in peace . With regards to the Somaliland Somalia talks im very confident from Somaliland position as democratic peaceful country with own history and a long term histortic relationship with United Kingdom we stand on moral and legal strong case. And the day I am looking most forward to is when you and the entire somalia government as the sucor state for Siyad Barre regime will be taken to the UN war Criminal tribute for crimes against humanity like Slobodan Milosevic & Yugoslavia was talking to Haagh.
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cheifaqilbari wrote:Sahal and saciid let me just return to the socalled somali basboor issue , .couples year back I was doing umrah when these central African guy's from chad came up to me and my group in the middle of Mekkah thanks us whole heartily and said all their family was sent to America by somalia bassport sold to them by koonfurians for penniies . Obvious I was gobsmacked , but asual my southern friends was laughing and seeing the entire situation as funny.the biggest issue I have with you southerners people is a handshake is never a handshake . A true never honoured and a agreement never fulfilled. This and many more reasons why I advocate for a full militarized Somaliland border control Sanaag(my home region) whereby we control the border from alshabab south , so at least we Somalilanders can live in peace . With regards to the Somaliland Somalia talks im very confident from Somaliland position as democratic peaceful country with own history and a long term histortic relationship with United Kingdom we stand on moral and legal strong case. And the day I am looking most forward to is when you and the entire somalia government as the sucor state for Siyad Barre regime will be taken to the UN war Criminal tribute for crimes against humanity like Slobodan Milosevic & Yugoslavia was talking to Haagh.
No darod man will ever be put in court as long as darod exist. Us and hawiye already have understanding which is forgive and forget. If you can't move forward that's on you :Shrug:
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Rambie wrote:The problom with Sahal,

He takes what the UN and other international
entities say as a Qur'an. Now, all what we hear about
is 2016 and how Somalia is gonna witness a huge
political transition etc, etc ...

Than when 2016 come, without any fundamental or breakthrough
achievements for Somalia as a whole. Next thing you know, we're gonaa hear about 2020 and what
that white trash representer said in some conference the other side of the planet ....

It's like running in circles.

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I would like to debate with you sxb but you need to grow up......no need for emotional.....

You aint stronger than the islamic courts but we have accepted to deal with the world

Anything thats outside of the regional and international political equation will not work


This is how mogadishu looks like today thanks to the world!
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Sahal is a great example
why Wanlawayne can't move on.

He just post a pic for a street inside
Xamar and he thinks that's enough. Fancy new
Buildings and infrastructure belt by donors in a single
city while ignoring a whole country wa wax ceeb ah my manipulative friend.

You failed to address what I and Saciid were talking
about, which it's the political legitimacy and stability
in Somalia in general. You run around with author opinion articles
in some political event/stage and paint the whole of Somalia in a
positive light. Xamar =/= Somalia you have more than half dozen of
wide spread regions with their capitals. You have an unproductive constitution,
major security preaches, deeply corrupted government institutions. Not only that, the
whole federal system is at cross roads. Alshabab are still loose. Not to mention the every year
infighting between the President and MP with the usual drama & political meltdown there. You can't
cover all that with a new street being laid or 10 store mall/hotel grand opening in downtown Xamar.

Plus, why did your bring the ICU?
Is that what has been in your mind all that long?
How to destroy Somaliland with the "world" :o :down:
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Rambie wrote:Sahal is a great example
why Wanlawayne can't move on.

He just post a pic for a street inside
Xamar and he thinks that's enough. Fancy new
Buildings and infrastructure belt by donors in a single
city while ignoring a whole country wa wax ceeb ah my manipulative friend.

You failed to address what I and Saciid were talking
about, which it's the political legitimacy and stability
in Somalia in general. You run around with author opinion articles
in some political event/stage and paint the whole of Somalia in a
positive light. Xamar =/= Somalia you have more than half dozen of
wide spread regions with their capitals. You have an unproductive constitution,
major security preaches, deeply corrupted government institutions. Not only that, the
whole federal system is at cross roads. Alshabab are still loose. Not to mention the every year
infighting between the President and MP with the usual drama & political meltdown there. You can't
cover all that with a new street being laid or 10 store mall/hotel grand opening in downtown Xamar.

Plus, why did your bring the ICU?
Is that what has been in your mind all that long?
How to destroy Somaliland with the "world" :o :down:
Another emotional post

I want you to give me some thing thats new not for the sake of the argument and I have already answered your repetitive points from national and international perspective aka vision2016

Who r you to discredit it?

We have timetable for every thing but whats yours?

All you have is this falsehood sense of xamar not coming back, thetefore im fine lol

Adeer trainka yoo kaa tagin!
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Sahal, this is your politics as qouted from today http://caasimadda.com/xildhibaan-ka-tir ... -muqdisho/ and http://caasimadda.com/masuul-ka-tirsan- ... magaciisa/. Trainkagu ma kaas ba ? Caaqli waleywn iyo ciyaaal ba siyadaad lagama la hadloo , you like a child who keeps reminding us what you going to be when you grow up . With that said I genuinely have a deep wish for true peace in the south which can only be archived with full honest facts. Number one being Acknowledged the Somaliland republic . :clap:
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cheifaqilbari wrote:Sahal, this is your politics as qouted from today http://caasimadda.com/xildhibaan-ka-tir ... -muqdisho/ and http://caasimadda.com/masuul-ka-tirsan- ... magaciisa/. Trainkagu ma kaas ba ? Caaqli waleywn iyo ciyaaal ba siyadaad lagama la hadloo , you like a child who keeps reminding us what you going to be when you grow up .
walawayn walawayn as usual emotional...

Im out i was here as independent analyst but i see no mature politicians who can debate me as you lack basic political information

I will give you the sources

After a year the south is finish and you will be dealt with prepare for it or not!

As far im aware its the USP who r getting ready for it and have met nick kay so far plus r part of the talks

It means your not the sole authority in there!

This is when when you kick him out before...

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Sahal just can't admit that
TFG/SFG system is a fail.

He would go to incredible extent and look
under every rock to find any tiny negative aspect
to use it against his political rivals. It doesn't matter if he use
links or sources that represents the opinion of author/biased newspaper etc ..
or deliberately "miss" to mention the whole statement, covering whatever info
he came across that apposes his agenda.

At the same time, he always praises or put on the table an
"analysis" about what 101 scenario may happen in Xamar or Hiraan.
Yet, you will rarely find him criticize or say negative remarks about the SFG.

He is willing to write whole essays and folders
injecting irrelevant topic, making unreasonable analogy's into the discussion with
an unrealistic, biased narrative to eventually come out with more or less a fake conclusion
supporting his fake claim.

Are you gonna tell me that it wasn't scheduled for AMISOM to leave Somalis this year?
Are you gonna tell us it wasn't planned for the SNA to take over ALL the military operation inside Somalia?
Or the supposed goal of one man one vote in 2016 which it's obviously not gonna happen.


You had a timetable since 2006 (10 years)
When will your authority is going to expend beyond Xamar?

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