Somalia and Israel Relations

[Voltage]

Koronto

You know what is really funny? The most funniest thing is when I realized a looooooong time ago that there was a pattern to extreme Arab hating in the small minority of not even mentionable number of Somalis that engage in it. For the most part Arabs are our Muslims just like Pakistanis, Indonesians,etc and no Somali treats ANY non-Somali Muslim worse than he would treat their family members. One thing I have always noticed about Somali people is their love for all Muslim people and the fact that they are never considered strangers.

However, I have noticed a very small minority (to the point you can't even categorize them in percentage sense) that have such extreme-Arab phobia it has always amazed me how people can be so obsessed. Then I noticed the pattern that ALL of these extreme Arab phobiacs eventually turn to criticizing Islam and at some point showcase their murtadnimo. I mean these events follow each other it is really hard to miss the pattern.

Here you have Twisted, an individual that has already practically admitted he is a murtad, starting THREE Arab-phobia topics in a single day one of which speaks on the Palestinian question in which he expresses SATISFACTION at the Israeli conduct against the Palestinian people, then you have Ican, who has a poignant record here in the last month, joining the bandwagon about "Arabs not supporting us full well in the 77 war and so we have no reason to be against the Israeli, and Alluring going on her own tangent.

Twisted is sick, I really think from my observations of him that he is not right in the head. There are so many things I can comment but I am a stickler on not divulging personal stuff so I will respect his privacy but this kid has so far flicked off the most base points I have put forward in regards to the topic on Israel.

If Israel is so "innocent" and we have no reason to by siding with the "Arabs" why has a friggin former president of the United States, Jimmy Carter, called it an "Apartheid state" even at the expense of his own reputation knowing he will be targeted by the zionist media. Why has the U.N Conference of Racism chaired by the former president of Ireland, Mary Robinson, unanimously label Israel THE most racist and discriminator state. I mean this is before we even get into specifics, the SOMALI reason for opposing Israel is the one summed up by TWO former Western presidents and some psychologically unbalanced just-left-teenhood shrume-puffing maniac wants to provide a COUNTER-ARGUMENT????? Rich wallahi.

As for this goon Ican whose sex I am still not sure off. Nacnac badanaa naagta. I will shoot myself than re-showcase his constant Ethiopian-azz licking and munaafaq (near murtadhood) views he put forward when the fatwa of the Sheikhs concerning the TFG was put foward, but I will show that his argument that the "Arabs did not provide the greatest help to us in the 77 war is reason for us to support Israel" is not valid because Arabs not giving us greatest aid is OVERSHADOWED by Israel actually flying for the Ethiopians!

---"According to US and Israeli sources, a group of Israelis arrived in Ethiopia in early July 1977, and helped return a number of F-5As into working order. So it should have happened that on the morning of 16 July, two F-5As piloted by Israelis were on a "training combat air patrol near Harer" (citate from former USAF instructor who worked with Israelis in Ethiopia at the time), when a flight of four MiG-21MFs was detected nearby. The Israelis engaged immediately and the ensuing air combat was over before it really started. Two MiGs were shot down by Ethiopian fighters, and two others collided while trying to avoid an AIM-9B fired by F-5s. "---
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_188.shtml

See the irony of their argument??? Why should the Arabs not helping us greatly matter (even though Iraq provided all fuel, Saudi Arabia gave us weapons, and Egypt provided much needed spare parts) when the Israelis were actually training and flying for the Ethiopians!!

Bear in mind that socialist Arab regimes like South Yemen and Libya supported the Ethiopians because they needed defense against the West and needed to toe the Soviet line but why was ISRAEL A PRACTICALLY WESTERN COUNTRY HEAVILY IN THE WESTERN CAMP SUPPORTING A GROUP IN THE SOVIET CAMP??????

Ridiculous these murtads and closet murtads are the most bumbling bafoons I have ever seen. But you know what they say Koronto, obsession makes you incoherent at times and the jealously of the Somali affinity with their Muslim brothers is the one thing all murtads go mad in obsession with.

An Amharic Muslim is more dearer to I than a Mareexaan murtad will ever be in his life so get that through your shrume smoking heads.

[Rebel-Lion]

Bi polar Voltage

Did you forget to take your meds again? I hate arabs now? I've seen arabs complaining about the state of the arabs world themselves, and arabs like everyone have their good and their bad. Are arabs some special group that they can't be criticized. And why do you assume if someone says something about arabs that they are automatically are pro-Israel and zionists? Israel occupation of Palestinian land and treating Palestinians as second class citizens is well known and you will never see me support that. It seems it's you who associates arabs with Muslims. While most of us real muslims who are not here to show off recognize that islam is flawless but muslims and people are not.

Siyade barre and somali's expected help from the arab world because we share a religion and in some ways culture, but not from israel because we have nothing in common with jews. Does that logic make sense to you?

Take your meds, you mentally ill kid.

[justice4basra]

voltage, well said you've nailed the atheists

[Wareer]

Voltage, understand that states pursue whatever means that advance their national interest. For one time, the PLO were in control of the whole southern Lebanon. Syria in alliance with Israel evicted PLO and millions of Palestinians were either displaced or killed.

Jordan, whose 60% of population is from Palestine once destroyed Al-Aqsa Brigade Martyres' bases in Jordan and hunted down one by one the remnants to ensure that its country is never used as launching pad by the Palestinians in their struggle to reclaim lost territories.

The issue is not about Arab vs Israel. I don't think it is. Race is fiction .

There are significant # of Muslim people whose faith transcends race or nationality, but they don't wield much of an influence since they are repressed by their own governments.

As with the case of Somalia's relations with the Arab World, Saudi Arabia has made its stiff resistance in the Red Sea exploration clear at many times. It is opposed to Oil development in our shores. It also has clogged the import route of the most precious item of survival. Its ban on livestock still affects our people.

I do think that we Somalis should rethink of our biased position against the West. It has taken us no where except putting our hopeless nation and country in this dismal state. We have always paid the price of someone's else war. Why not we normalize relations with our neighbours? It is time to cut off blind support for our fanatic Sheikhs. In Somali Masjids, the Palestinians get our prayers while we don't pray for the sufferings of our people. Even if Somalia's sorry plight and continuous war is self-inflicted despite the minimal role of outside intervention, it still deserves to have the prayers of our Sheikhs.

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

I think it would very immodest of me to tell the truth, but I am really surprised that you couldn't put forth a better preposition then the naive arguments you ranted about in your previous post.

You are so quick to dismiss any-one who criticizes the arab away of life as being inherently anti-Muslim and you have even gone as far as to equate being against the policies of the arab people as being an attack on Islam on itself. Of course, the truth couldnt be any further. People ( especially Somalis) have legitimate questions against the conduct of the arab people against others, especially their so-called Muslim "brethren." In fact, a case can be made that Westerns are treated far better than Muslims in arab countries and I think people will agree with me. By and large, arab treatment of fellow Muslims, especially, Somalis have been dismal at best. We are all familiar of stories of Somali mothers being deported from Saudi Arabia and other arab countries and sent to a war-torn place like Somalia, even being refused the chance to take their children along with them. Just few years ago, six Somali men were brutally beheaded by the arabs for a crime they had not committed, but since they happened to be poor Somalis they were seen as defenseless victims they were inhumanely tortured by the same malevolent people that you are so quick to defend, for reasons that are perhaps convenient to you.

The same arabs you seem to defend so assiduously are the same people who have betrayed Somalia on each and every occasion. They have supplied men and weapons to our sworn enemies and pumped in petro-bucks into our enemies' economy so that they can continue the war. At the same-time, people like you have continuously turned a blind eye to arab bigotry and chauvinism and have unashamedly supported the arabs at the cost of decency. It was the Libyans that gave 1.5 billion USD aid to Ethiopia during the 1977 Western Somalia War together with a 1/4 of their military hardware, it was the arab Yemenis who sent thousands of solders to Ethiopia to help defeat our country and also supplied the Russians a base to monitor Somalia during the war. The Iranians loaned huge amount of their F-5 fighter jets to Ethiopia to better destroy Somalia, and if that wasn't enough, the same bastards spied on our embassies in Tehran on behalf of the Ethiopian. The situation was so-bad that the Somali phone-lines in the Tehran embassy were intercepted to listen the embassy's communication with Mogadishu, and when that failed they relied on an old woman who worked in the embassy as source of human-intel to secretly record conversions in the embassy. One would point out that the Iranians are no arabs, and that is valid, but it is not what I am getting to. My assertions from the get-go has been clear: You can not base foreign policies on a non-existing friendship and solidarity with people who have continuously supported our enemies. You have hopelessly tried to use the Israeli support to the Ethiopians as being equivalent in betrayal to arab back-stabbing of Somalia, again, you are grossly mistaken. Israel was an ally of Ethiopia and not Somalia. It was Ethiopia that gave the Israelis a base for their navy as a source of second-strike capability- in strategic terms, especially for strategically narrow country like Israel, that is a huge support. The Israelis in turn loaned pilots to Ethiopia to fly a Muslim supplied jets to destroy Somalia. Interestingly, the current Ethiopian Sukhoi fighters were bought for them by the Saudis as a token of "thank-you," for their help of the Prophet during the Meccan years when Muslims migrated to Abyassina. Needless to say, Ethiopia cut off relations with Israel after the war, because they saw arab support as being bigger than Israel support.

One could argue that, arab support for Ethiopia has always been politically and strategically driven and in no way means an arab hatred for Somalia. My response is fine, we can forget about every wrong and evil deed arabs have committed against our people and nation, but what in the world stops us from following our own political and strategical goals? Love for the Palestinians is not stopping Egypt nor Jordan from establishing fledging relationships with Israel, it certainly ain't stopping Dubai real estate companies from getting a piece of the thriving Israeli real estate pie.

I think that these blind-support for the arabs that you want so much is both absurd and essentially stupid ( for lack of better term). Turkey flipped the third to the arabs long-time ago, because their leader Ata Turk appreciated the inherent bigotry and back-stabbing nature of those filthy creatures we call arabs. Today Turkey is a prosperous and a highly developed country when compared to say Saudis ( Lowrance of Arabia comes to mind :) ) and Egypt.

The second part of your argument ( if one is decent enough to call it that) is very absurd, especially when you seem to hold such a high respect for Jimmy Carter, the same bastard who proudly claimed that his, " Christian heart won't let me see the destruction of Ethiopia at the hands of Somalia," when asked to explain the delay of American aid to Somalia during the war. Whether we like it or not, Israel is a fledging democratic and nuclear power state. No power on earth can destroy it. Put that ugly truth in your thick skull. To expect for the sudden destruction of the Israeli state is very stupid and is beyond reason. The Palestinians have very valid reasons to some of the lands in the occupied territories, but ( to play the devil's advocate here) have never been willingly to negotiate sensibly. Both sides are trying to get a best piece of the pie ( Jerusalem) and I really hope that they find a solution soon. The stakes are just too high. I am very puzzled at how you don't even mention for once the Jordanian mistreatment of the Palestinians who make close to 60% of the Jordanian population or how Egypt just few months ago channeled in millions of dollars worth of weapons to Fateh in Gaza to start a civil war with HAMAS. Arabs have played as much destructive role in the Palestinian issue as Israelis. It was the Jordanian king Hussain who flew into Jerusalem ( which was the time a Jordanian territory) and handed Israel the hard-copy of the arab military plans minutes after meeting Gamal Abdul Nasar in Egypt and minutes before ordering his troops to war. The main contention between Israel and Palestine is the fate of Jerusalem and I am sorry to burst your bubbles but it was the Jordanians that delivered Jerusalem to Israel on a silver plate.

ps

Again, the level of frustration are evident from your posts and your feminine rants proves that you have no argument.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Wareer"]Voltage, understand that states pursue whatever means that advance their national interest. For one time, the PLO were in control of the whole southern Lebanon. Syria in alliance with Israel evicted PLO and millions of Palestinians were either displaced or killed.

Jordan, whose 60% of population is from Palestine once destroyed Al-Aqsa Brigade Martyres' bases in Jordan and hunted down one by one the remnants to ensure that its country is never used as launching pad by the Palestinians in their struggle to reclaim lost territories.

The issue is not about Arab vs Israel. I don't think it is. Race is fiction .

There are significant # of Muslim people whose faith transcends race or nationality, but they don't wield much of an influence since they are repressed by their own governments.

As with the case of Somalia's relations with the Arab World, Saudi Arabia has made its stiff resistance in the Red Sea exploration clear at many times. It is opposed to Oil development in our shores. It also has clogged the import route of the most precious item of survival. Its ban on livestock still affects our people.

I do think that we Somalis should rethink of our biased position against the West. It has taken us no where except putting our hopeless nation and country in this dismal state. We have always paid the price of someone's else war. Why not we normalize relations with our neighbours? It is time to cut off blind support for our fanatic Sheikhs. In Somali Masjids, the Palestinians get our prayers while we don't pray for the sufferings of our people. Even if Somalia's sorry plight and continuous war is self-inflicted despite the minimal role of outside intervention, it still deserves to have the prayers of our Sheikhs.[/quote]

Preach Brother Preach!

[gurey25]

what a useless topic

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Only darod and abgaal wants relationship with israel.

[xaseey]

it is funy that a lot ppl here are against israeli occupation in palestine but support the ethiopian occupation in somalia,,

nacaal idiinku taalo munaafiqiin waaxid

[Gen.Aideed]

Great Topic.

[fisabililah]

Im suprised so many people voted for somalia to have relations with Isreal. It seems a lot of people dont understand what they recite in surah al-fatihah at least 17 times a day.. when we ask Allah.

Guide us to the Straight Path.The Path of those on whom You have bestowed your grace, not the Path of those who earned your Anger, nor of those that went astray (ayaat 6,7-surah 1)

the ones who incur the wrath of Allah are none other then the jews, so why would anyone want to incur the wrath of Allah, except one who has been deluded by the shaytaan.

[The_Emperior5]

WALAHI SOMALIDANI WAY ISKA QIIRAYSAN YIHIN YAHUUD BA CARAB LAAYSEE

SOMALIDU FOCKIN 18 YEARS AYA NAFTA ISKA QADEEN CARAB KA HADLAY MA ARAGTAY
2 DAYS I WAS LISTENING TO EYGII HUSNI MUBARAK UU ALJAZEERA UU WARAMEYEE WUXU KA HADLAYE SUDAN WAXA KA DHACAYA WUXU KA HADLAY FALASTIIN CIRAAQ IYO LEBANAN SOMALIDA KUMU SOO DIIRIN CARAB NAF IDIIN MAY HAYSSAN


ANIGA WIILKA YAHUUDIIGA IGA XIGGA CARABTAN QUDHUNKA WALAAQANAYA

[xaseey]

[quote="The_Emperior5"]WALAHI SOMALIDANI WAY ISKA QIIRAYSAN YIHIN YAHUUD BA CARAB LAAYSEE

SOMALIDU FOCKIN 18 YEARS AYA NAFTA ISKA QADEEN CARAB KA HADLAY MA ARAGTAY
2 DAYS I WAS LISTENING TO EYGII HUSNI MUBARAK UU ALJAZEERA UU WARAMEYEE WUXU KA HADLAYE SUDAN WAXA KA DHACAYA WUXU KA HADLAY FALASTIIN CIRAAQ IYO LEBANAN SOMALIDA KUMU SOO DIIRIN CARAB NAF IDIIN MAY HAYSSAN


ANIGA WIILKA YAHUUDIIGA IGA XIGGA CARABTAN QUDHUNKA WALAAQANAYA[/quote]


adiga asalba qaldaan ayaad eheed hadalkaada tirsiimo malaha danbina ma lihid marka sidaa rabtid u hadal, caruur wax aad dhaanto ayaaba iska yar

[The_Emperior5]

ADIGU WAXAS AAMINSANTAHAY ILAY CARAB NAF AAN KU HAYN ISAAQA WAYDII IYAKA 200 YEARS CARABTA MAR WAL BA JOOGII JIIRAY LANA MACMUUSHTARAYN JIREEN

WAXAAN XASUUSTA CABDIQASIM SALAAD XASSAN UU JAMACATAL AL CARAB LUGA YEEDHAY 2001 IYO 2002 WUXU UU FADHIIYE SII WIIL YARE UU LA YIDHI XADIISHKA CARABTA DHAGAYSSO

MARKAASU MARBA CARAB HADLA MAR YASIIR ARRAFT UU DHULKA IYO CIRKU BA LA GARRIRAYAAN MARKAASUU MAJNUUNKII SOMALIDA ISKU DIIRII JIIRAY NA HADLA QADAFIII , KUWAAS AYAAD ADIGU RAJJO KA SUGAYSA

KA SUG WAYAHAY EEH

[fagash_killer]

why israel somalia should bring the glory moments back when they were a example to their african brothers and to the west even for the communists.what you ask for is politics and leave the politcs for the siyaasii ya get me.