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Melo, as your Muslim and Somali brother I will say ilaahay haku soo hanuuniyo.

Voltage wrote:Melo, as your Muslim and Somali brother I will say ilaahay haku soo hanuuniyo.

I have one advice. As a jadiidi, I am am sure you are well acquainted with Ali Halabi, Sheikh Albaani AUN and Rabi Al madkhali. Please find their works on Isthilaal, and hukm bi-ghayr ma nazallah. In particular, what they say, about someone who believes the rules of man, are superior to that of God's. I won't even direct you to mainstream works, because you'll dismiss it as khaariji material. When you do this, please come back to me, and we'll see whether you still think Siyaad was a muslim in the 80s.

I will try and find guidance lol.. but certainly not in tribalism or Jadidism.

I don't accept labels and I am willing to ready and any all Muslim jurisprudence books as long as not Shia. But you know one thing I will say to you is I will read them with an open mind and without political reactionary motivations which you seem to have developed.

It is a matter of seeing the glass as half-empty and hence not satisfied or half-full and hence somewhat pacified. You seem to have rudimentary knowledge in the faith relatively above normal school, but too bad both your heart and your soul have not taken it like a root taking in water. That is your problem.

^Inshallah, when you do this, you'll see that building masjids and not renouncing your faith publicly, do not save people from leaving Islam. You saw someone mentioning Sheikh Kishk making takfiir upon siyaad. Ibn baaz made takfiir upon Saddam, because he was a ba'athist ie secular nationalist, and believed this to be superior. Nothing reactionary about it what so ever.

I am actually stunned, at the depths you guys have gone, to defend your uncle. Unbelievable. Siyaadists do die hard.

You can ask cabdiwahab, whether i am an caydidist. I am not, and object to suggestions that he was a great figure, or that he was the mahdi, or whateva. But i won't be unfair to him.

melo wrote:Cabdalle: You can point out all the mistakes you want, and people do that, with any movement they have a deep distaste for. The reality of the matter however, is that rising up against a tyrant, apostate leader, was jihaad. The mistakes in this process, does not nullify the legitimacy of this struggle.

I'm not sure about Afrax, but Caydiid was trying to win over Qaalib USC eventually did, and you saw Qaalib serve as Cali Mahdi's number 2. Not everyone in that regime were Siyaadists. It was the Siyaadists within the regime, that were targeted.

The more fact that Sheikh Boqolsoon AUN could insult USC within their own territory, calling them murtadiin, is a testament to the space given to the aqwaan post Siyaad.

What mistakes ninyahow? I gave you two fine examples of how Caydiid treated several people who were part of the same regime differently.

Me and you or others who participated in this thread are not scholars nor are we skilled enough to make a fatwa, because declaring Jihad is a fatwa after all. Marka is there one shaykh out of the countless shuyoukh who considered Caydiid as a Mujahid? If you're a layman, like me and you, you need to have a predecessor in every religious matter!! Which shaykh considered him as a Mujahid, give us your references

damn,people are still debating this out.
Melo,you know that Al-baani and his student ali-Halabi would actually acquit siyaad bare as muslim with the "kufr duuna kufr" notion,right?
if u wanted to win this argument.you should have stayed with referring folks to Ibn Uthaymeen or Ibn baaz who declared "kufr mutlaq"on any islamic ruler who rules with non-sharia.however,like Abdalla said,put all this quasi-ijtihaad and semi-istinbaad aside and tell us who is your predecessor(scholar) to the opinion that Aideed is a mujaahid.nin diinta ka qaawan baad tahay when you try to go to that length in the defense of the indefensible (caydiid).looking forward to see ur real daleel,not opinions

Samadoon: Sheikh Albani aun, and ali halabi, put the condition of istihlaal on everything. Siyaad barre believed his laws were better than the Islamic laws. Even by this standard, he would be considered an apostate. Al-bani considered attaturk an apostate for that reason, and so all jadiids.

Cabdalle: I am stating that Caydiid's fight (and SNM, and who ever stood up against the opression) was jihaad. IF someone is fighting Jihaad, then he is given the term mujaahid. It is time specific. Not an absolute term.

I already covered why potentially people were treated differently. Did USC kill every darood inside siyaad's regime? Or just the siyaadists?

I just don't understand how the fight against Siyaad was not Jihaad. Can you tell me, which boxes it does not fit? Seriously. Do tell me.

Because to me, it fits the box of Muslims fighting against a non Muslim regime. It fits the boxes of the oppressed, responding to the oppressor. How is this not Jihad ?

Do you think MSB was a Muslim? Or that USC, and SNM were also kaafireen? Because that's the only way you can get out of claiming it wasn't Jihaad.

Those are the two most important elements. It is waajib to resist against an apostate leader. In that regard, yes, we do have scholarly references to that Claim.

this wecel dameer is so annoying


qurun yaahoow


Jaalle Siyaad was more muslim then ur black donky ass

Allow uu Naxariistooo .. he will forever be remember as the best leader of somalia worldwide


keep on dreaming of your khat chewing alcoholicc mooryaans called usc & snm

Melo, so Abdullahi Yusuf and his SSDF were Mujahideen?

abdalla11 wrote:Melo, so Abdullahi Yusuf and his SSDF were Mujahideen?

Yes, in so far as much as their fight with MSB goes. I already said. SNM too. I believe they are wall Muslims at the time, and MSB was not.

In fact, as has been stated, it was the MJ first who stepped up against the Tyrant. Much respect to them.

If the USC soldier in mental asylum in Switzerland interviewed by Nurridin Farah who admitted they were fed concoctions of Khat and Qamri starting from Mustaxiil camp in 1987 and after Siad barre, is now certified crazy. Why can't you be seen as mentally unstable considering your mooryaan nature even still talking at the expense of Sheikh Boqolsoon who labeled USC supporters, let alone USC members, as having committed "Kufr" over 18 years ago?

Sadly enough I am scheduled to be a surgeon, but my youngest brother from my mom is two years shy of graduate degree in psychology and has already been accepted as honorary participant in a premier American psychology program. Perhaps I will send him your way if you accept.

@ YOU using Sheikh Boqolsoon as evidence. Its too much to handle.

Wasn't the Sheikh ruthlessly murdered by the USC? I would hardly call those men mujahideen at that point in time.

grandpakhalif wrote:Wasn't the Sheikh ruthlessly murdered by the USC? I would hardly call those men mujahideen at that point in time.

I've been making this point 10 x time. Unfortunately, these guys do not want to accept the fight against Siyaad as being legit.