Gay Marriage for it or against it.

[Alphanumeric]

so leave the students at the mercy of the corporations, who will be running the charter schools for profit.

Their profits are determined by the success of their students. It would be their objective to ensure the highest level of education and teacher-student relations.

Hence the connotation "private school" often raises.

[union]

Whoever runs the charter schools will be held accountable. If they fail to meaningfully change educational outcomes, their charter will be revoked and the funding cut.

[Alphanumeric]

The mistake people make is aligning 'charter schools' with the 'private schools' label. They aren't the same, and I hope my post didn't imply that.

Charter schools are public, but have different standards and management.

[Jaidi]

My ballot has just arrived.

Voted yes to legalize marijuana
Voted yes to allow charter schools
Voted yes to allow homosexuals to marry
Voted yes to all tax increases
Voted for all democratic candidates

I don't get it, you espouse what appear to be very left wing views, but you like charter schools?

I voted yes to charter schools mostly because I don't like teacher unions. They protect ineffective teachers and put their own interests before that of the students.

Sounds like Tea Party demonization of unions, bizarre you accept such a premise without second thought Unions protect teacher's period, good and bad, and the overwhelming research out there considering charter school's shows they hardly ever create better results than public schools. What supports the idea that busting teacher's unions would promote better teaching standards? In fact it will likely do the latter.

Bizarre and contradictory views from a self avowed leftist


Read this article from a while back in the NYRB on "The Myth of Charter Schools"

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... tion=false


An excerpt:

Known as the CREDO study, it evaluated student progress on math tests in half the nation’s five thousand charter schools and concluded that 17 percent were superior to a matched traditional public school; 37 percent were worse than the public school; and the remaining 46 percent had academic gains no different from that of a similar public school. The proportion of charters that get amazing results is far smaller than 17 percent.

[Jaidi]

so leave the students at the mercy of the corporations, who will be running the charter schools for profit.

Their profits are determined by the success of their students. It would be their objective to ensure the highest level of education and teacher-student relations.

Hence the connotation "private school" often raises.

Sounds nice in principle but fact is there is NO evidence that charter schools perform better on average. Only difference seems to be that they're making a profit on redressing the same education with a nicer facade.

[Alphanumeric]

so leave the students at the mercy of the corporations, who will be running the charter schools for profit.

Their profits are determined by the success of their students. It would be their objective to ensure the highest level of education and teacher-student relations.

Hence the connotation "private school" often raises.

Sounds nice in principle but fact is there is NO evidence that charter schools perform better on average. Only difference seems to be that they're making a profit on redressing the same education with a nicer facade.

Haven't looked into it.

[union]

I voted yes to charter schools mostly because I don't like teacher unions. They protect ineffective teachers and put their own interests before that of the students.

Sounds like Tea Party demonization of unions, bizarre you accept such a premise without second thought Unions protect teacher's period, good and bad, and the overwhelming research out there considering charter school's shows they hardly ever create better results than public schools. What supports the idea that busting teacher's unions would promote better teaching standards? In fact it will likely do the latter.

Bizarre and contradictory views from a self avowed leftist


Read this article from a while back in the NYRB on "The Myth of Charter Schools"

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... tion=false


An excerpt:

Known as the CREDO study, it evaluated student progress on math tests in half the nation’s five thousand charter schools and concluded that 17 percent were superior to a matched traditional public school; 37 percent were worse than the public school; and the remaining 46 percent had academic gains no different from that of a similar public school. The proportion of charters that get amazing results is far smaller than 17 percent.

Good teachers do not need to fear the reformation of teacher unions, they are an invaluable and increasingly rare commodity. The ineffective ones kept there by tenure do and unions do. The reason why the initiative is even on the ballet is because schools in this state are failing in their mandate to educate kids, everyone realizes this and it's worrying for the future of our state, that's why local groups like the Bill and Malinda gates foundation are working to bring about charter schools, which studies have shown can help meaningfully improve public education. Are you going to say next that the Bill and Malinda Gates foundation is a tea-party group? Look, I'm not really to keen on debating the whole education reform thing, but charter schools do work and they have a proven track record, the author of the CREDO study you quote even said to the Seattle Times that "you can find, in every single location, a substantial amount of charter schools that are doing really, really well" I don't see why charter schools shouldn't be given a chance. The only worry I'd have about charter schools is somehow a faith based organization getting public funding to open a school.

[Jaidi]

I voted yes to charter schools mostly because I don't like teacher unions. They protect ineffective teachers and put their own interests before that of the students.

Sounds like Tea Party demonization of unions, bizarre you accept such a premise without second thought Unions protect teacher's period, good and bad, and the overwhelming research out there considering charter school's shows they hardly ever create better results than public schools. What supports the idea that busting teacher's unions would promote better teaching standards? In fact it will likely do the latter.

Bizarre and contradictory views from a self avowed leftist


Read this article from a while back in the NYRB on "The Myth of Charter Schools"

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... tion=false


An excerpt:

Known as the CREDO study, it evaluated student progress on math tests in half the nation’s five thousand charter schools and concluded that 17 percent were superior to a matched traditional public school; 37 percent were worse than the public school; and the remaining 46 percent had academic gains no different from that of a similar public school. The proportion of charters that get amazing results is far smaller than 17 percent.

Good teachers do not need to fear the reformation of teacher unions, they are an invaluable and increasingly rare commodity. The ineffective ones kept there by tenure do and unions do. The reason why the initiative is even on the ballet is because schools in this state are failing in their mandate to educate kids, everyone realizes this and it's worrying for the future of our state, that's why local groups like the Bill and Malinda gates foundation are working to bring about charter schools, which studies have shown can help meaningfully improve public education. Are you going to say next that the Bill and Malinda Gates foundation is a tea-party group? Look, I'm not really to keen on debating the whole education reform thing, but charter schools do work and they have a proven track record, the author of the CREDO study you quote even said to the Seattle Times that "you can find, in every single location, a substantial amount of charter schools that are doing really, really well" I don't see why charter schools shouldn't be given a chance. The only worry I'd have about charter schools is somehow a faith based organization getting public funding to open a school.

Not keen to debate but you make unsubstantiated claims that charter schools work and have a proven track record

The best educational systems in the world are all public. If we go by any reasonable metrics, there isn't a single succesful large scale system in the world that follows anything remotely similar to charter schools. This reminds me of the whole health care debate. American exceptionalism damns you into believing all solutions to your problems have to be American conceived. There's a world out there outside of Washington state buddy, learn from it

[Colonel]

Why are you guys voting yes to increased taxes?

@jalaluddin

[union]

Why are you guys voting yes to increased taxes?

Because the state is going bankrupt and it needs revenue sources

[Colonel]

Why are you guys voting yes to increased taxes?

Because the state is going bankrupt and it needs revenue sources

How much do you get taxed anyway, read somewhere that it was pretty low in the US.

[union]

Sounds like Tea Party demonization of unions, bizarre you accept such a premise without second thought Unions protect teacher's period, good and bad, and the overwhelming research out there considering charter school's shows they hardly ever create better results than public schools. What supports the idea that busting teacher's unions would promote better teaching standards? In fact it will likely do the latter.

Bizarre and contradictory views from a self avowed leftist


Read this article from a while back in the NYRB on "The Myth of Charter Schools"

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... tion=false


An excerpt:

Known as the CREDO study, it evaluated student progress on math tests in half the nation’s five thousand charter schools and concluded that 17 percent were superior to a matched traditional public school; 37 percent were worse than the public school; and the remaining 46 percent had academic gains no different from that of a similar public school. The proportion of charters that get amazing results is far smaller than 17 percent.

Good teachers do not need to fear the reformation of teacher unions, they are an invaluable and increasingly rare commodity. The ineffective ones kept there by tenure do and unions do. The reason why the initiative is even on the ballet is because schools in this state are failing in their mandate to educate kids, everyone realizes this and it's worrying for the future of our state, that's why local groups like the Bill and Malinda gates foundation are working to bring about charter schools, which studies have shown can help meaningfully improve public education. Are you going to say next that the Bill and Malinda Gates foundation is a tea-party group? Look, I'm not really to keen on debating the whole education reform thing, but charter schools do work and they have a proven track record, the author of the CREDO study you quote even said to the Seattle Times that "you can find, in every single location, a substantial amount of charter schools that are doing really, really well" I don't see why charter schools shouldn't be given a chance. The only worry I'd have about charter schools is somehow a faith based organization getting public funding to open a school. :

Not keen to debate but you make unsubstantiated claims that charter schools work and have a proven track record

The best educational systems in the world are all public. If we go by any reasonable metrics, there isn't a single succesful large scale system in the world that follows anything remotely similar to charter schools. This reminds me of the whole health care debate. American exceptionalism damns you into believing all solutions to your problems have to be American conceived. There's a world out there outside of Washington state buddy, learn from it [/quote]

You are correct, there is a world outside of Washington State, and it's ruled from the other Washington. In Washington D.C, public schools are quickly losing students to charter schools. Why? Because even though D.C spends more per capita on its students than any other area in the country, the public school system is shit and every parent in their right mind is fleeing to charter schools which have proven themselves an excellent alternative. The same story is happening all across urban America, with charter schools doing better than their beucratic and teacher union-centric counterparts. Sure there are some bad charter schools, and they're not elixir for all our problems but ,like I said already, they are a step in the right direction. and you dont have to worry about america and how we run our healthcare system or education system, canada will always be our bitch....

[waryaa]

16 page debate on gay marriage! somalis have finally assimilated

[ZubeirAwal]

Union, since you live in a country of 'freedom of speech' and 'democracy' why didn't you vote against gay marriage? are you seriously for it?

[union]

My ballot has just arrived.

Voted yes to legalize marijuana
Voted yes to allow charter schools
Voted yes to allow homosexuals to marry
Voted yes to all tax increases
Voted for all democratic candidates

Changed vote from Brad Owens to republican Finkbeiner