Somali Historians come in including you James Dahl

[Meyle]

I know that he is a dirty Darood. However he's regurgitating the baseless lies of Djibsomali, who is a dirty Qudhunbiirsi.

[Caesar]

What have you proved? It's not about writing a paragraph it's about proving your case.

Well..refute my claims then, Idoor were and always will be British subjects. All you can muster is a photograph showing Idoor carrying the British in Zaylac, when I brought forth f-king street, fatherka, and many other shameful actives the Idoor were happy to take part in.
by the way i am still waiting for a proper response to that.

Facts

1. Qudhunbiirsi didn't participate in the wars with the Abyssinians.

Wrong again Idoor, the Samaroon aka Gadabirsaaay were fighting even before Ahmed Gurey of the Mahad Case brought you guys in. Even the WSLF was started by a Samaroon man by the name of Abdi Ismail, even during the 1977 war, Samaroon again shines in fighting the Abyssinian with their creation of the WSLF.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25qc5cz&s=7
Imam Samaroon waging wars BEFORE Imam Ahmed Gragn
http://i37.tinypic.com/w027vd.jpg Respect to RuralMan
Again little brother, no one believes your lies. the lands were most of the fighting was held, was samaroon land, please try and lie somewhere else.

2. Qudhunbiirsi is not mentioned in the book Futuh al Habasha nor is Dir mentioned in the book.

Well Gadabursi is just a nicknamed, gada=treasure birsaay= get or collect, and it refers to our land conquest after the war, From Zaylac to Harar ,Idoor and beyond.
We didn't collect all of riches until after the war, so its impossible for a name we are not using yet to be mentioned before its use, but Makadoor is mentioned, and Awdal/Harowo is a Samaroon stronghold.. please try again.

3. Seylac was always under foreign occupation until Isaaq liberated it.

Zaylac is a compositional city, the shining light of Dir apart from Dire Dawa, Shout out to Idoor Mahe Dir for looking out, I suppose. You say Liberation I say Mahe Unity?Show me Isaaq history before colonization , please huuno.

4. Emir Sharmaarke, an Isaaq man, ruled it for 30 years.
Ruled? Now you're just silly lol, shout out to Idoor though.
5. Isaaq sold native slaves in Seylac.
Somalis were never slaves in the history of the world, unlike the Idoor slaves Richard Burton had that tried to escape.And no clan bent over for the British as much as IDOOR, refute that please.
6. Isaaq also sold others i.e Oromos, Afars etc.
that's nice if that happened but irrelevant. I wondered how the isaaqs captured the Canfars when they share no border, quite the case is it not? Don't claim to be Cisse now lol this is false.
7. Emir Sharmaarke made an Afar man the governor of Seylac before leaving, Qudhunbiirsi were powerless.
Well Mahe Dir sticks by each other, Dir have close ties with some Canfar clans, some are actually Samaroon. The City does whatever is needed to free the city, even if it means brainwashing Idoor to think they saved us, which is quite funny, Zaylac remains strong and the people remain Dir, the sister city to Harar, the city in which the Dir became the first muslims in Africa, may Allah bless those first muslims.
8. Seylac was then occupied by the Egyptians until the British arrived and signed treaties with the native powerless clans.
Zaylac was loved by the Turks,Egyptians and other world powers the Awdal sultanate had ties to our Paris. Well, didn't the isaaq sign a treaty as well, your statement made no sense...whatsoever
9. Isaaq never gave their daughters to foreigners unlike Dir who intermarry with Oromos or the Darood who gave their daughters to Italians.
What? This is a clear lie, Idoor used to sell their daughters on f-king Street to British colonists, this is regarded as fact. Who do you think were the comfort women that supported the Gaalo?
I bet that burns you doesn't it lol. If you believe Shiekh Isaaq really did father Idoor Bucur Bacayr you would be praising your hoyo Dir instead of calling her "intermarry with oromos". Clearly a confused Idoor. I will pray for things to become clear to you.

10. Isaaq never carried colonialists on their back unlike Qudhunbiirsi/Dir and Darood, look below.

Yes they did, and they also let the British rape their women on f-king Street and Build churches and convert Muslims into Christianity.If you go into Somalia and ask who held the British on chairs, by gosh they will say the friendlies, the Idoor! But like I said, all Beesha Idoor an muster against Beesha Samaroon is a photo of an Idoor carrying the British.
But Beesha Samaroon can bring forth all the shameful practices Idoor Falasha and ilma Bucur Bacayr did to get some relevance after being abused for centuries :smugross: May Allah bring those people back to
islam and change their names back to muslim names, amiin.

Now I would just like to know Idoor history Pre Colonialism, Like I said come with more lies my little Mahe brother, your older brother is watching, let me lead you to glory just how our abo MAHE would want it. By the way, hoyo is making bariis she said to come downstairs
and stop playing on the computer.

[Caesar]

@MEYLE, please stop insulting the good people of awdal, as you know the person you are trying to debate with a darood sheegato who doesn't even basic information such as the deegan where gadabuursi degan and the abtirsi of gadabuursi. The fact that he is trying to say saylac is a gadobuuris city should tell you this scum is a darood.

Idoor Mahe Dir stick with the Desert in which the British made blossom,
the question is not the abtirsi of gadabursi but refuting meyle idoors lies From Harar to Zaylac and beyond

[Meyle]

Looool is that it? You shameless Darood slut

Facts

1. There was no Isaaq in Seylac after Emir Sharmaarke and his Isaaq army left in mid 1800's.

2. The people carrying Colonialists on their back were Qudhunbiirsi and your people, the Darood.

3. Qudhunbiirsi are not mentioned in Futuh al Habesha and they were not part of the Adal sultanate, it doesn't matter who they claim ''begot'' them.

4. WSLF was created by Yusuf Dheere, who was not Qudhunbiirsi.

5. Qudhunbiirsi/Gudobiirsi comes from, Gudo=Garac, Biirsi= Is uruursaday

6. Isaaq never carried colonialists on their back unlike your people

7. Ever heard of the expression, Isaaq gob inta kale gun, well Isaaq never gave their daughters to foreigners not even to certain Somalis.

8. No such thing as f-king street and the colonialists were in Berbera, the capital of British Somaliland. f-king Street allegedly being in Hargeisa. Disproving your whole nonsense.

9. It was actually your Darood people that sold their children in Berbera for dates and rice after being displaced by Mad Mullah.

10. Afars lived in the outskirts of Seylac since the Adal empire and they were captured and some of them sold by Isaaq.

11. The blessed Duriyadda are descendants of Sheikh Isxaaq bin Axmed. We're not part of Dir, have never been and never will be.



You still haven't disproved anything you just write paragraph after paragraph and it's all baseless lies and your own imagination.

[Caesar]

Again your dodging of my questions still prove the same Idoor philosophy you still employ to this day, distract and attack,
Awdal/Horowo Samaroon strongholds
Zaylac to Harowo

But again little brother, you have avoided all my questions and keep propagating your baseless ones such as
"no isaaq in zaylac" but somehow they acquired canfari slaves without bordering them... how did that come to be? , Isaaq are only in Zaylac when it is convent for you, but not to do what they are most known for , which is being a "freindly tribe" to the Gaalo British who converted Muslims into Christianity and created a street of prostitution.

You still haven't disproved anything you just write paragraph after paragraph and it's all baseless lies and your own imagination.

Excuse me? I provided clear facts as to why you are wrong,
and you didn't even refute mine, but rather,come with more silly questions,which was rather childish, to be honest. Proof is needed when you make blatantly wrong statements, but its not your fault there was no history besides the British and f-king street and Bucur Bacayr,

Please disprove my lies as I have done yours without asking baseless questions, I am still waiting , until then I will do Zaylici with my Zaylac Huunos I shall wait my little mahe brother.

[Meyle]

Who's talking about stronghold?



1. The only Isaaq that were in Seylac were Emir Sharmaarke and his Isaaq army. The first Somali man to rule the town. When he left there were no Isaaq in that town because all his soldiers and his son left.

2. Afars lived in the outskirts of Seylac since the Adal sultanate, many of them were captured and sold by Isaaq soldiers/merchants in Seylac.

3. Thats the filthy Darood rhetoric right there. Friendly in what sense? Isaaq signed treaties with the British and we had no reasons to break the treaties.

4. I aldready disproved your statement about ''prostitution'', now show me proof that the British were converting muslims to christianity. Since you're using Faqash rhetoric show me proof that the British were ''converting'' Isaaq specifically.

5. Isaaq history starts with Sheikh Isxaaq and by 1500's we were already mentioned in the book Futuh al Habesha unlike your Qudhunbiirsi clan and we were the first tribe to join Axmed Gureys war against the Abyssinians. We were the first clan to conquer and rule Seylac for 30 years under Emir Sharmaarke and his Isaaq soldiers defeated the Arabs & Turks in that city. Just 2 examples and this is before colonialism.

6. There's no such thing as f-king street. As I said the capital of British Somaliland was Berbera, that's where the colonialists were and this non existing street is supposed to have been in Hargeysa. It disproves your illogical statement.

7. Bucur Bucayr or Maxamed bin Xaniif was a Yemeni Jew that was killed by Yusuf al Kowneyn, a relative of Sheikh Isxaaq.




Again you haven't been able to prove shit, you just regurgitate the same nonsense. Isaaq are descendants of Sheikh Isxaaq bin Axmed. I don't get this ''brother'' you're talking about. We're not Mahe Dir and have never been. You claim Qudhunbiirsi and they're not even Mahe Dir. They are Mandaluug Dir, talk about epic fail



Why is the trolls and sheegatos in Snet always Darood?


Talk about selfhate

[Bilis]

Your logic is something else..

Why thank you!

The area stretching from Raas Caseyr to Raas Kamboni was known as Somalia Italiana. We were never part of that territory, neither was Somaliland part of it's successor, the trust territory of Somalia.

July 1, 1960 when the two entities united the name Somali republic was adopted, when the Somali republic dissolved in 1991, we reclaimed our independence.

So your argument that we were part of Somalia has no basis in reality.

Hardly. The so-called "State of Somaliland" existed for all of five days in 1960. It was granted independence on June 26, 1960 by the British specifically with the understanding that it would unite with the Trust Territory of Somalia to form the Somali Republic/Somalia. And that it did later on in the week on July 1, 1960, the day the Somali Republic was born.

Your other argument that "Somalia" before then only referred to the territory of Italian Somaliland/Italian Somalia is inaccurate since the term "Somalia" in fact predates the formation of Italian Somaliland, and by decades. "Somalia" was also used to refer to the entire Somali-inhabited territory -- the exact opposite of what you're arguing here. This was already demonstrated with the link to Sir Richard Burton's book on Somalia from 1855, so there's really no point in arguing otherwise.

The reality is, the term "Somaliland" itself likewise originally referred to all the Somali-inhabited territories.

I said I was familiar with book itself and that Somalis were referred to as eastern Berbers and their capital being Berbera. I didn't imply that it was stated in the book Futuh al Habasha.

Ok. The bold part still isn't asserted in any historical work, though.

You still haven't disproved the fact that Seylac was part of the Axumite empire. Wether that author I quoted made a simple mistake is beside the point. The conclusion is that Seylac and western parts of Somaliland was part of the Axumite empire.

No. For the umpteenth time, the Berbers were not part of the Axumite empire. The Axumites are explicitly differentiated by name from the Berbers in the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea.

You clearly have not read that old document or you wouldn't be insisting this.

Garad Lado was the port ruler, that doesn't imply that he was in charge of the town itself nor was he in charge of the surrounding areas.

Gerad Lado was indeed the ruler of the "port"... as in the port of Zeila. He was the governor of the town as a whole.

All Arab sources regarding Cabdiraxmaan al Jabarti state that he died in early 1400's meaning that he died approximately 50 years before Garad Lado was born. Now if he was a descendant as you predicate, he would be in the main abtirsi of all Darood clans because it would simply mean he was among the first descandants of Cabdiraxmaan al Jabarti.

My good man, the Harti and Marehan are mentioned by name in the medieval Futuh Al-Habash. We're talking real, historically attested lineages here.

You said that Awdal was a Gadubiirsi degaan. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the word deegaan, it roughly means turf. Awdal as a region is not their turf because you have other clans living there as well both the Ciise and few Sacad Muuse (Isaaq), for instance they can't claim the city Lowyacado because it belongs to Ciise. They might be majority but still that doesn't make the entire region their turf.

Sanaag is divided into following districts;

Xiis & Maydh - Isaaq
Ceel Afweyn - Isaaq
Cerigaabo - Shared, but the city is majority Isaaq
Laas Qoray- Warsangeli
Badhan - Warsangeli

Population wise, the HY and HJ subclans of Isaaq outnumber the Harti clans. So how can it be a Harti strongold? You used the word stronghold in the same sentence you mentioned Awdal being Gadubiirsi deegaan. You never used it in a historical context.

Cool story bro:

[Bilis]

Awdal is a Samaroon/Gadabursi stronghold

Indeed.

[Meyle]

About Somaliland, I don't know what edition you have of 'the first footsteps in east Africa' because when speaking about the Bab el Mandeb he clearly states the Somali country. Nonetheless the whole "Somaliland was part of Somalia" is illogical. It's a as logical as the Italians who didn't speak English calling their colony Italian Somaliland.

Somalia with the ending a is a Latin suffix denoting land meaning the land of Somalis. Other examples are Italia which literally means the land of the young cattle or Celtica that the Romans used to describe the land of the Celts. Even Africa is another example meaning the land of the Ifrik which is a Berber tribe.

Why would the the British use the Latin suffix instead of the Germanic ending land? Your whole argument is based on your own imagination but since you clearly didn't understand my argument. Let me clarify,

It doesn't matter what Richard Burton wrote. Somalia juridically speaking was the colony stretching from Raas Caseyr to Raas Kambooni. We were never part of that and when we united the Somali republic was created. When the illegal union dissolved in 91 we reclaimed our independence and to this day we're not part of the federal government of Somalia.


The notion that we were part of Somalia is absurd.


When it comes to the other points that I raised, you still haven't disproved them so there's no point going back and forth.

[Grant]

The illegal union?

The Union was legal, and proclaimed on all sides. The Brits actually suggested caution and waiting, but SL plunged in as rapidly as possible. In five days it was over.

[Meyle]

In judicial sense there was no union, the act of union was not even passed and there's no documents proving or even legitimizing the union.



It was the people who rushed. Our people wanted "Somaliweyn" and they were willing to give up everything unfortunately the Somalis from Somalia were not sincere. They back stabbed us in 10 different occasions.

[watchmenow]

Sanaag is a majority Warsangeli. 80% with a minority population of tiny villages chained from east and west. The 2nd largest town of Sanaag, Ceerigabo is Warsangeli majority 65% plus in terms of population with minorities.


James your map does not cover the Westward settlements of Warsangelis along with the tiny villages they live. Typical Somali warp reality. All that matters is whats on ground.

Sanaag aka Warsangeliland.

[watchmenow]

Warsangeli slave trade includes the enslavement of Isaaqs and export of them to slave posts in the mid east. Sad but true I understand their grievances.

[Meyle]

Lol @ Sanaag being Warsangeli majority



Isaaq calls the shots and even back in the day your Sultan was harassed by Isaaq clans mainly the Gadhweyn because he was a little bitch. He died like a slave

[watchmenow]

I don't know what drug your on?

Anyways, go do something better with your life. Yes Sanaag that province in Northern Somalia is majority Warsangeli, unless your on some drugs it wouldn't be. I have read the posts and the obsession and thirst for Sanaag is at a all time high. SMH


Sad that these people lie to themselves day in and day out. Your tribe you keep mentioning is WAY TO SMALL go run off SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SCREAM FOR INDEPENDENCE. Those drugs are doing you no good.