Somalia and Israel Relations

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Shirib"][quote="fagash_killer"]nobody is chosen we all equal now since they say that jesus died for our sins ore went up to heaven(islamic)are all tribes/colors/religion the same in gods eyes.the quran is saying the same thing about that all ppl are equal and should be treathed equal.their is nothing mo important than equal rights and justice.[/quote]

Yea true, but even if the land was promised to Banu Israel, the zionists now are not Banu Israel[/quote]

yet you say true but yet you make difference beteen the zionists who have white color to the sons of israel who were black.2000 years later and still the ppl are dumb and like jesus said mo thing will happen before i arrive so it could be some kind of prophecy you know that god will send another messiah for us like he sended haile selassie to protect and lead gods kingdom.but only those who have faith should understand that the white jewish politcians ore the aipac in the us are demons those are the satanists i was talking about.they are like the romans for me who cruciefid jesus thats why the vatican couldnt stand haile selassie and they declared war to his kingdom you get me.so you know now who the banu israel are(africans)and the zionists came from all the world mostly from europe.however you have zionists that know the truth about this and dont support israel ore violence what about them?thats why they say god is a living man he only have to say be and it will happen so its matter of when,when all ppl will see the light.

[Shirib]

A zionist who doesn't support Israel, really isn't a zionist now is he.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Shirib"]A zionist who doesn't support Israel, really isn't a zionist now is he.[/quote]

horta i dont know what is wrong with the term zionists? zion is the holy land zionists you moved to the holy land what is wrong with that? you can still move their if they believe that god has promised them a land but that doesnt have to mean that they support their goverment ore for example stealing the land of the palestines.they as us wants to live somewhere peacefull where they can call home nothing wrong with it.and if even a zionists has the heart to speak it out ore by not supporting israel well let me show how many muslims would have done the same.but the thing most of them believe in that israel should be destroyed and that is wrong.

[Gen.Aideed]

[quote="Aiman"][quote="Twisted_Logic"]Do you think it is wise for Somalia to have diplomatic relations with the State of Israel? why or why not?[/quote]

Astaqfuru'Allah what kind of question is this? To answer your immoral question of course not.[/quote]

Aiman, you are brainwashed Wahaabi. Get the fuk out of Somalia issues.

[justice4basra]

[quote="Gen.Aideed"]Aiman, you are brainwashed Wahaabi. Get the fuk out of Somalia issues.[/quote]

whats wrong with being a brainwashed Wahaabi? i think it's ok to be one

[Voltage]

Twisted

That I am sitting here responding to something as base as SOMALI-ISRAELI relations or the lack thereof to you is really just a tad bit redundant. If this was a real life conversation you would not have the privilege to come back for more rounds. Be happy the internet allows you the ability to engage in an UNORGANIZED fashion and indulge in conversations that can seemingly drag on simply because contributers (such as yourself) do not have to be held ACCOUNTABLE to their rhetoric. However, internet or not I am determined to de-valuate your primitive reasons for Israeli-Somali relations (or lack therefor) and end the debate the way it is supposed to be ended. This will be done in the fashion it warranted a long time ago judging from your childish use of loopholes and unorganized thought pattern to weasel out of responding appropriately and even at times fittingly.

Your response is summed up by paragraph thus:

1. Personal attacks against me responding to my accurate description of your dementia.
2. You backed me that Democratic, Western Israel gave the most materialized support to Ethiopia (finally touching on the points of the topic!)
3. American transfer of 5 figher jets from pro-West Shah Iran to Haile Salassie controlled Ethiopia (1975).
4. Pro-West Arab states such as Jordan and Egypt giving recognition to Israel during the Cold War.
5. Carter and the former Irish female Ambassador, Western presidents, are "drunks" and are not credible for calling Israel racist.

^This is what you wanted me to respond to? By god look closely at the child's play rehearsal you put together that you think requires some greater "comprehension"? Do you not understand that majority of what brought actually speaks AGAINST and contrary to what have attempted to argue??

Take a very critical look at the gibberish you put together Twisted; gibberish you assume that warrants some sort of intellectual comprehension. Like I said, shrumes are deadly so quit smoking them. Despite the fact that I am now laughing at this sham of an argument, I will touch upon your points singularly and see what case you have made, how relevant that case, and why I have appropriately labeled all your incoherency as mere "gibberish"!

Concerning the FIRST point, I am delighted and simply happy that you have noticed my transformation from a clan-obsessed youth to a mature, intelligent young man who now cares about many more things of substance such as community, religion, and ethical and moral upliftment in this world. This is a miraculous transformation and something I am very proud of you see. This is something you yourself have always applauded me for and was one of those who encouraged me to continue since it prevented me from going after your clan as before; that you now use it as some sort of a political tool only highlights to me even more the desperation in your gibberish. As for your description of me analyzing the state of your mental capabilities, labeling it "feminine fascination" nay akhii that is but a smokescreen you know very well designed to take attention away from the piercing truth. Without commenting on things personally (as I respect your privacy) your obsession with Arabs, the extent of your verbal diarrhea, and number of and the back to back topics you opened on the issue signifies enough the state of your brain. These are deep grievances you show, descriptive of a psychological block that made you hate a whole people. Psychology says you have a personal issue that might have transformed into a psychological problem and this where I say dementia comes in...

Your SECOND point is really the only issue that should matter in the debate and the one that sublime devalues the gibberish of an argument you call a topic. You just admitted that ISRAEL, a Western camp nation, went so far as to go to a camp in the Soviet wing and support t them against an enemy; incidentally one that so happened to be Muslim Somalia! You just admitted how far Israel went against us and at the same instance inquire as to why we do not have relations with that nation??? Did Somalia continue to have relations with Castro Cuba? Will you find a Somali alive today that QUESTIONS why we did not have relations with Castro Cuba? Why ask such a seemingly retarded (for the best use of a word) question as why do we not have relations with Israel when this nation which is and was a democratic nation that can be held accountable for former actions is a nation that was so driven against us and all Muslims that they even flew for our mortal enemy when this same enemy was part and parcel of the Soviet wing, was a Marxist/Communist regime! I will come back to this topic after I have finished commenting on the Iranian gibberish you put together (ironically an argument that speaks against you and provides ammo to the point I have just mentioned!)...

The THIRD gibberish you put together is ironically the one that most of all sums up your lack of comprehension skills and the extent of your incoherent blabber. You used this Iranian conduct to excuse Israel's action and I cannot help but really ask if either you are this dense or you assumed I would not read the article?? FIRST OF ALL, Iran did not give the Ethiopians anything, rather it was an American transfer of weapons THROUGH Shah-controlled Iran and this occurred IN 1975 WHEN HAILE SALASSIE WAS IN CONTROL OF ETHIOPIA WHICH WAS THEN SQUARED IN THE WESTERN CAMP AND VERY MUCH ANTI-MARXIST/ANTI-SOCIALIST. I cannot believe I am actually wasting my time on the third round of debasing your gibberish. That the Americans and Shah-controlled Iran were in cohoots with Haile Salassie controlled Ethiopia is perfectly legitimate and extremely understandable but why did Israel, a country so dependent on the West for survival and itself considered a Western country, supporting Marxist/Communist Menguste-controlled Ethiopia in 1977 going so far as to actually fly for them against Somalia, only distinguished from Ethiopia because of its Muslim background?????? Libya and South Yemen, despite being Arabs, supporting Ethiopia in the 77 war while all other Arabs supported Somalia is also perfectly understandable since they had to toe the Soviet line to continue having Moscow as their patron against the hostile West, but why was Israel? Especially considering you started this topic to advocate for better Somali-Israeli relations, how can one not understand this most importance of points why DON'T have relations with them and we never WILL have relations with them even if we were not driven by their treatment of the Muslim Palestinian peoples.

Your FOURTH point can also be qualitatively explained. Egypt and Jordan both recognized Israel for their own existence. Both of these countries are countries who are not economically independent (do not have oil) and both of whom were strategically important enough that they were FORCED to choose sides in the cold war. Both incidentally became American proxies and both were driven by very powerful reasons because of this. Jordan was not independent enough and was facing a squeeze from Soviet camp by way of Soviet supported Syria and Egypt had by then reached the status of becoming the United State's number #1 recipient of foreign aid in the African continent and the second after Israel. Both were manhandled into recognizing Israel and as you can see Anwar Sadat of Egypt paid this with his life from the average Egyptian man who was outraged at what they felt was a betrayal of extraordinary level. The average Arab Egyptian is the man who killed Sadat for what they saw as a betrayal and it stands to be mentioned that these autocratic, despotic regimes are not the REPRESENTATION of the Arab peoples. In fact, if you read ANYTHING about the Arab world you will have long understood that the U.S support for despotic regimes in the Arab world is one of the primary grievances the average Arab man has against the West and especially the United States. Again, your simplistic understand of the complexities in this part of the world is another reason that I excuse this simplistic point as gibberish and irrelevant to the question of why Somalia and Israel should have a relationship.

Your FIFTH point was against Carter and you have repeated the political stance he took in the '77 war to discredit his statement that Israel is an "apartheid state". I never though I would see anyone discredit Carter for calling Israel an apartheid, disagree yes but discredit him on something so flimsy as "oh he did not give Somalia aid in '77 so he must not be believable in this statement against Israel. Before I put you in your place for the fifth time, what in the world does the '77 war have to do or discredits in any way shape or form that Israel is an apartheid state??? Bear in mind this kid first dishonestly wrote some gibberish about Carter saying something to the nature of "I am a Christian......" and when I showed this actually provides muscle to his statement he has conveniently left behind this gibberish in his last response.

Listen up then kiddo since this is my last response to you. The fact of the matter is Somalia INVADED a recognized state, i.e Ethiopia, in the eyes of the world. Even though by then positions have been switched and the American Carter administration wanted to support Somalia since Ethiopia was a Marxist state, Somalia was invading a recognized sovereign nation with the explicit aim to annex a section of it (the Ogaden). This is what the world saw, particularly enraged African nations who were fearful of all border problems, and this is what Carter himself says for not giving very apparent support to Somalia. He says in the very video you brought and yet you come here with base understandings and gibberish that somehow should "discredit" Carter, as a former American president, taking the leap to call Israel an apartheid state. Incredible wallahi is the state of your mental aptitude.

My god, how dense can people get. When I said this kid is in a competition with me for who can write longer (and has been with me since the Abgaal-Mareexaan debates when I participated as DawladSade) and is all air and no substance, this is exactly what I meant. He wrote a page and half of empty words which then could be summed up in 5 points all of which have been debased now with a little bit of FORCED ACCOUNTABILITY, something that the cyber world really lacks.

Now take a hike troll!

[radical]

TL owned.finito

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

Without going to detail, it is very clear that almost 60% of your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand and almost exclusively deals with childish immature insults that in no-way contribute to a healthy discussion. Once again, the simple fact that you have to rely almost exclusively on insults evidently exposes the inherent lack of substance in your argument. As I have to told you earlier on my previous post, the level on frustration and anger in your posts is a true depiction of the inherent lack of content in your argument and the fact that you have to use insults to cover for your lack of intellect is plain comical. You seem to think that I am in some sort of competition with you which is quite honestly silly. You have neither the wisdom, intellect nor the wealth for me to the see the need to get in some sort of competition with you. Whether you are the Quran waving fanatic Voltage or the Qabiil zealot DowladSade doesn't really matter to me. To me you are still the confused sadistic soul I met on my first here on SNET. You have consistently displayed a highly depressing level of self-inferiority complex. To even think that one would get all chummy and friendly let alone compete with you is very sad and quite honestly, it is no surprise that almost every-one here on this forum agrees that you need some kind of mental rehabilitation. You have effectively turned SNET as a convenient means of venting out your complexes and I don't see the wisdom of giving you your 15 minutes of fame nor the privilege to say that " I had the opportunity to debate with Twisted."

The crux of our argument has so far dealt with the issue of the recognition of the state of Israel. You and other like-minded lunatics have argued that Somalia should not have any sort of relationship with the Jewish state essentially as a show of solidarity with our so-called Muslim " Brethren" in Palestine and else-where in the Middle East who have to deal with Israeli " prosecution." We have then proved to tell you that there is nothing called "solidarity" in this world, only interests. We have said that, Arab interests don't stop them from dealing with countries that are hostile to our country. Some of the leading Arab countries such as Libya and South Yemen have actively taken part in the Ethiopian war against our country. The Libyans gave 1.5 billion dollar emergency aid to Ethiopia complete with 1/4 of their military hardware. The Yemenis supplied thousands of their troops to Ethiopia and provided bases to the Soviets as a means to spy on our country.

Not only that, you have claimed that the Arab support to Ethiopia was purely political and was nothing specific against Somalia. Which can be viewed as a fair assessment. You have then alleged that Egyptian support to Somalia during the war could have be translated as a means Arab " solidarity" with Somalia. Of course, that assertion is very naive to say the very least. Egypt has a very antagonistic relationship with Ethiopia mainly over the issue of the Nile River and the Ethiopian goal to suppress the Egyptian water supply. It should be clear that Ethiopian hegemony over the East African Region has a very dire consequences to Egypt. The mere fact that they have an open relationship with the Asmara Group is clear illustration of the fact that Egypt will support any element that is antagonistic to the Ethiopian regime and would be very desirable to it if a Pro-Egyptian ( which would then naturally be anti-Ethiopian).

The Israeli support to Ethiopia is something you seem to be very animated about. I don't if you are deliberately choosing ignore the facts or if you are apparent lack of comprehension skill is honest. In either case, it only enforces the fact people have been saying all long that you can't be taken serious. The Israelis had their only overseas naval base in the Ethiopian ports which acted as a very credible means of Second-Strike Capability to the Jewish State, which was the all-important for a strategically narrow country such as Israel. The fact that the Somalis had their eyes set on the Ethiopian capital, was very alarming to the Israelis and they were content to let go off their only base out-side Israeli to a country that has a historic relationship with the Arabs. In turn, the Israelis loaned fighter pilots to the Ethiopians. So in strict sense, Israel support to Ethiopia was NEED-DRIVEN rather than WANT-DRIVEN.

It is also very surprising that you have chosen to ignore continuously the betrayal of Somalia by yet another Muslim country. The Iranians supplied the F-5 Fighter Jets to Ethiopia that the Israeli pilots flew. One must keep in mind that the Iranians were in the Western Camp just like the Israelis but sided with the Ethiopians against Somalia. The Americans asked them if they could transfer some of their fleet of F-5 fighter jets to Ethiopia and they agreed happily. The number of jets they transfered to Ethiopia is listed as any-where between a squadron to 3 squadrons worth of planes. In the end, when it was all said and done it the introduction of F-5 planes that changed the momentum of the Somali forces. The Somali MIGs were no match for the superior F-5s and following the demise of the SAF, the Iranian-supplied and Israeli piloted Ethiopian air force was free to harass Somali supply lines. In fact, the inability of the Somalis high command to reinforce its troops was the ultimate reason behind the eventual Somali defeat.

Again, as mentioned Israel had a genuine reason to support the Ethiopians, but what reason did the Iranians had on supplying a non-Muslim Ethiopia over a Muslim Somalia? What reasons did they have in spying on the Somali embassy in Iran so tirelessly? The answers are clear. There is no such thing as "Muslim Solidarity." Nations support certain nations over others based on their over-all strategic goals. These naive proposition that Somalia should support blindly every Arab interest is stupid and naive at best. As I said earlier, the Egyptians and the Jordanians have a working relationship with the Jewish State and so does Saudi Arabia when it suits its selfish interest. Companies in Dubai are actively pursuing businesses in the Jewish State.

The issue of Palestine and Israeli should never come to the Somali domain and should never be part of our national discourse, except perhaps, for reasons of entertainment and amusement. The same Jimmy Carter you are toying around as the ultimate voice of reason has clearly stopped the American Aid to Somalia against Ethiopia because of his religious convictions. This not Xs and Os. You can not chose things based on your desires. It is my firm believe that when it is all said and done, Somali interests should come above Arab or Muslim interests.

ps

It is clear that after you have ran off fuel and can't back up your silly assertions. Next time, if you don't have any credible arguments, instead of beating your chest and grabbing those nuts, take a breath or some-one said " take your medications." You are only turning yourself into a walking parody.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="radical"]TL owned.finito[/quote]

Here comes your frivolous audience that will clap on pretty much anything!

[Voltage]

Twisted

Every single rehashed statement you wrote has already been discussed by me. I mean EVER SINGLE THING you have said has already been debased and discussed in my post.

This is laughable wallahi; this kid is repeating Soviet Yemen and Libya and a story about Iran he misunderstood and actually is contrary to thesis he argues in favor of Israeli support to marxist Ethiopia, and he actually wants me to grace him with a rational rebuttal?

Twisted unlike your unorganized gibberish, my post had a table of contents which included thus:

1. Personal attacks against me responding to my accurate description of your dementia.
2. You backed me that Democratic, Western Israel gave the most materialized support to Ethiopia (finally touching on the points of the topic!)
3. American transfer of 5 figher jets from pro-West Shah Iran to Haile Salassie controlled Ethiopia (1975).
4. Pro-West Arab states such as Jordan and Egypt giving recognition to Israel during the Cold War.
5. Carter and the former Irish female Ambassador, Western presidents, are "drunks" and are not credible for calling Israel racist.

You said I ignored the story about Iran you misunderstood, yet anyone who reads my post knows I did not such thing or any of the gibberish you want to waste my time with again.

By the might of Allah, I am done with you. Any of the audience members can thoroughly read my contribution and read yours and can comment on the discrepancy in not only the accuracy of what we are attempting to argue but also for that matter the RELEVANCE.

Your last post is why I said shrumes have messed with your brain cells.

[Voltage]

Before I leave, I cannot help but put you in your position since you went back and back to the Iranian incident in half of your post. This is what you, Twisted logic, said:

---"One must keep in mind that the Iranians were in the Western Camp just like the Israelis but sided with the Ethiopians against Somalia. The Americans asked them if they could transfer some of their fleet of F-5 fighter jets to Ethiopia and they agreed happily. The number of jets they transfered to Ethiopia is listed as any-where between a squadron to 3 squadrons worth of planes. In the end, when it was all said and done it the introduction of F-5 planes that changed the momentum of the Somali forces. The Somali MIGs were no match for the superior F-5s and following the demise of the SAF, the Iranian-supplied and Israeli piloted Ethiopian air force was free to harass Somali supply lines."---


THIS is what I already schooled you about concerning the Iranian incident you brought


---"The THIRD gibberish you put together is ironically the one that most of all sums up your lack of comprehension skills and the extent of your incoherent blabber. You used this Iranian conduct to excuse Israel's action and I cannot help but really ask if either you are this dense or you assumed I would not read the article?? IRST OF ALL, Iran did not give the Ethiopians anything, rather it was an American transfer of weapons THROUGH Shah-controlled Iran and this occurred IN 1975 WHEN HAILE SALASSIE WAS IN CONTROL OF ETHIOPIA WHICH WAS THEN SQUARED IN THE WESTERN CAMP AND VERY MUCH ANTI-MARXIST/ANTI-SOCIALIST. I cannot believe I am actually wasting my time on the third round of debasing your gibberish. That the Americans and Shah-controlled Iran were in cohoots with Haile Salassie controlled Ethiopia is perfectly legitimate and extremely understandable but why did Israel, a country so dependent on the West for survival and itself considered a Western country, supporting Marxist/Communist Menguste-controlled Ethiopia in 1977 going so far as to actually fly for them against Somalia, only distinguished from Ethiopia because of its Muslim background?????? Libya and South Yemen, despite being Arabs, supporting Ethiopia in the 77 war while all other Arabs supported Somalia is also perfectly understandable since they had to toe the Soviet line to continue having Moscow as their patron against the hostile West, but why was Israel? Especially considering you started this topic to advocate for better Somali-Israeli relations, how can one not understand this most importance of points why DON'T have relations with them and we never WILL have relations with them even if we were not driven by their treatment of the Muslim Palestinian peoples."---



Get schooled boy. The Americans made a transfer of fighter plans from Shah-controlled Iran to Haile Salassie-controlled Ethiopia in 1975, before the Ethiopian communist revolution. This is all perfect legitimate kid, neither the U.S nor Shah-controlled Iran nor any other Western camp nation gave a dime to the Menguste marxist Ethiopia EXCEPT Israel which even flew for them. Iran and Israel are NOT equal in this regard, because the transfer of weapons through Iran occurred while Ethiopia was still a Western camp nation controlled by Haile Salassie, and Israel was the only Western camp nation that not only support a nation so heavily pushed into the Soviet block by its new leader Menguste but actually flew for them in 1977. In any case, Iran could not have been called a "Muslim" nation by any standard and the Shah was a man who was very much debted to the Americans for putting the Shah Pehlavi family back in power after the coup of Mohammed Mossadegh. That they would prance to the Western camp and allow a transfer of weapons to pro-West Haile Salassie Ethiopia in 1975 is legitimate. What is not legitimate is if they continued to support Marxist Ethiopia under Menguste in 1977.

This is but ONE of the MANY things that highlighted just how much you are ignorant of this issue. Unfortunately I do not get paid to educate you every time you are suffering a comprehension-crisis so I will take the leave that I have already announced.

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

The level of stupidity and contradiction in your posts are very frustrating. Since you don't have the ability to read and comprehend anything more than a paragraph, let me put my assertions in a simple point by point style.

Did Israel support Ethiopia?

-Yes, they did support them and they had to. They had their only naval base out of Israel in Ethiopia and loss of Ethiopia in the war would have meant the likelihood of Israel losing its only means of Second-Strike Capability, a gamble that they were not willing to take. So the Israeli support to Ethiopians was a NEED-BASED instead of WANT-BASED. So they trained Ethiopian military and flew their F-5 fighter jets which was supplied to the Ethiopians by the Iranians

Did Iran supply F-5 Fighter Jets to Ethiopia?

--Yes! Under American order they transfered a squadron or more ( depending on what source you use) to Ethiopia. It was not just 5 jets as you are wrongly assuming, besides 5 jets don't change the outcome of a war. You have said that the Iranians did not own those jets. That is silly. They bought those jets from the Americans after the Americans could not supply them to South Vietnam. To this day, Iran is one of the last air forces to fly the F-5. So your assumption that the Iranians did not own those jets is misleading as are the 5 jets you keep talking about.For Example, If Country B wants to sells an apple to Country C, it can not do so without the permission of Country A which is the original maker/owner of the apple.The Americans unauthorized the sale of the jets because as the original maker of the plane, it has to approve the sale of jet under international law.This is what the Library of Congress said:

---"The United States also authorized the transfer of an F-5 fighter aircraft squadron from Iran to Ethiopia."--

http://www.samizdat.com/ethiopia_country_study.html

Keep in mind a squadron is anywhere from 12-24 or even more depending on the size of the air force.

Again, you have ignore the fact that Iranians were spying on the Somali embassy during the war, and have continuously intercepted the Somali communication lines in Tehran to better supply the Ethiopians with a steady flow of information. So, Iran before and during the Somali-Ethiopian War was actively supporting the Ethiopians. To dispute otherwise is stupid.

--- "When the Iranians started acquiring more advanced F-5E/Fs instead, a number of their F-5A/Bs was "cascaded" to third parties, including Jordan (which later supplied some of these aircraft to Greece) and South Vietnam. Interestingly, the survivors of ex-Iranian F-5As were sold back by Ethiopia to Iran - in 1985! (all artworks by Tom Cooper)" --

http://ethiopundit.blogspot.com/2005/05 ... f-eaf.html

Once again you have contradicted your-self! You have accepted the fact that the Egyptians and the Jordanians recognized the State of Israel essentially because of their own interests; and that is the thing I have been saying all along. States follow their own interests and independent goals and when some Arab countries can follow their own goals, Why CAN'T SOMALIA?

Again, you are entitled to your opinions ( no matter how perverted they might be) but the facts continue to bile up against you. You seem to be so desperate to run away with the little rants you have been shouting all along as some sort of " e-Victory" but then that's why I said you are using SNET as a means to vent out your complexes and if that gives you a false sense hope and achievement then by all means entertain yourself. Who am I to take the toys away from the kid?

[Voltage]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"]Voltage,

The level of stupidity and contradiction in your posts are very frustrating. Since you don't have the ability to read and comprehend anything more than a paragraph, let me put my assertions in a simple point by point style.[/quote]

The wonders of this world. I have never seen a more apt situation of a pot calling the kettle black so I think in the most clear of ways that even a Special Education youth can understand, I will try to make you understand something.

-There is a difference in 1975 and 1977.

-In 1975, the pro-West Haile Salassie was in charge of Ethiopia, which was part of the Western camp.

-In 1977, the Marxist Menguste was in charge of Ethiopia, which became part of the Soviet camp.


-In 1975, the U.S transfered weapons from Iran to Haile Salassie, w hich would have been perfectly normal in the cold war since Ethiopia was an American darling during Haile Salassie.

-in 1977, the Israelis, a heavy Western camp nation, got into the Ogaden War and flew for the Marxists fighting Muslims.


You said Israeli had a naval base in Ethiopia. You know what that is called? BULLS.HIT. I searched all over the net and I could not find a single source that spoke of Israeli naval base in Ethiopia. This is what we call a "figment of one's imagination". All it highlights to me is how far you would go to kiss Israel's ass simply because it is anti-Islamic.

Even the United States could not truly settle down in the Ethiopian coast during Haile Salassie because the Eritrean war was then occurring for over 12 years. Even the Soviets armed Addis Ababa to brink with the intention the Eritreans could be defeated in the shortest amoung possible so they could settle down in Massawa but this did not occur. Even when they tried to settle down in the Dahlak islands, the Eritreans smoked them out guerilla style.


CONCLUSION:

Now you understand the difference between American darlings, Haile Salassie and Shah Reza trading off in 1975, has nothing to do with Israel flying for Communist/Marxists Mengust Ethiopia in 1977.

And with this concludes any other schooling that you direly might have needed.

[Alluring]

Voltage

Based on my digression? DIGRESSION? FUNNY!

What I write is based solely on historical prevalence and comprehension--on top of that I did not state anything in connection with religion but of ethnicity, unlike Twisted. What I want for others especially Somalis to get a clear understanding of is that Arabs are not a friend of Somalis nor do they care about the stride or suffering of our people in the past, present and in the near future.

Your wishful thinking is just that.

[justice4basra]

war nacaskaan Twisted_Logic bal fiiriya. just so to lengthen his topic, he keeps regurgitating his nonsensical and defeatist arguments. many posters have been reasonable countering his nonsenses from different views and angles. for those of us who are Muslims, it suffices what the Qur'an has taught us about israelis, how they are the enemy of Islam and Muslims and how they will never be satisfied with us until we abandon Islam and follow their path

"Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion."

(2:120)