Somalis are not ethnically the same....

[WasteMan]

so am oromo and yemeni then lol..there was a point in my life where i would tell people who asked me about the origins of Somali people ..that we may have arab blood in us..but not anymore..I dont entertain that idea anymore.

BUT i have noticed something..the people in the south may have intermarried with nonsomali africans..because some of them look sooo african to me...what do you people think? someone posted a video about rahanweyne? hawiye people.

this thread really ..madixii ayeey iwareerisay..I didnt read all the posts...are Somalis ethnically the same? I dont think so, my knowledge on the matter is poor and to be honest i couldnt care less.

"the people in the south may have intermarried with nonsomali africans"

maybe thats how real somali look like and u northerners are the ones mixed with arabs? ever though of that? u already claim yemeni/iraqi ancestory

[Somaliweyn]

Interesting discussion, and shocked at the number of posts in 3 days.

Thanks for bringing this up, as I was very busy at that time to come on Somalinet in order to educate some kids spreading pseudo-historical evidence.

I do not care who considers himself Somali or Non-Somali,

To me, you can claim to be Arab, Oromo or whatever, but never claim that for others.

As for Hawiye (cause thats what matters since its the majority group within the borders of the Republic of Somalia): we are AFRICAN-Cushitic people, from the branch of Somali. Our presence in Somalia (still the same lands as we are living anno 2008) is recorded as early as 12th century, along with the name ''Hawiye''. Name one other major group that nowadays calls itself Somali but was mentioned in history books dating pre-15th century and called by their collective name instead of different subclans.

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Here is an excerpt from The Cambridge History of Africa, Volume III C1050-1600:

''The two important towns on the Benadir coast, Brava and Merca, had also taken shape in the same period. Cerulli reports an Arabic inscription from Brava, commemorating the death of a Muslim resident in 1104/5, which certainly indicates the existence of a highly developed Muslim community there in the eleventh century.

Merca was also an important settlement in the same period. Al-Idrisi (1100-62) gives a failry accurate description of its location in his geographical treatise written in about 1150. It was a coastal town and two stages away from it in the interior there was a river of which the rich valley produced much corn. This was certainly the Webe Shebele, to which Al-Idrisi also seems to make another reference when he locates fifty villages of the Hawiye along the bank of an unnamed river.

The Hawiya still form one of the most important tribes of the Somali and at the time when Al-Idrisi was writing his book they occupied the coastal area between Ras Hafun and Merca, as wel as the lower basin of the Webe Shebele.

Al-Idrisi mention of the Hawiya is the first documentary reference to a specific Somali group in the Horn, and it constitutes a very important testimony to the early Somali occupancy of the whole region. Later Arab writers also make references to the Hawiya in connection with both Merca and the lower valley of the Webe Shebele.
Ibn Said (1214-74), for instance, considered Merca to be the capital of the Hawiya, who lived in fifty villages on the bank of a river which he called 'the Nile of Mogadishu' a clear reference to the Webe Shebele''
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As for the political talk of ''Irir and Daarood'' it is entertained by people who need to feel relevant politically and population wise. If something can be backed by historical data it is: Somali-Hawiye and Somalized-groups (from different origins, i.e: arab, oromo, bantu, shawahali etc).

[mwaura]

Saying Marehans or Ogadeens are more Mali than Benadiirs or Habre Gedirs is like differentiating between a carmine breasted bee eater and a red collared shrike. ie not something NHPs normally spend time with. Here is our Mali checklist:
-is your mother tongue outside voice VANDALABABALAJIBBERJABBERWAYGHUREEYANKAAXOOXOW!!
-are your parents or one set of grandparents,first cousins?
-do you tend toward anorexia,mainly men?
-do you feel the need to comment on things you know nothing about,loudly and frequently?
Those are the genetic tendencies of Malis,most often externalised. If those ones are thinner,fatter or cleverer than these ones,it doesn't matter.

[Gotti jnr]

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[The_Patriot]

funny part is this somalis talking about differences of ethnicity have maternal relations with them either 1st generation or 2 or 3 or 4th.

All somalis are dabo madow with exeptions of those who apply Diana.

[The_Emperior5]

pat Ethnicy is not about colour

Tigray and oromo both look a like yet they are from Diffrent Ethnicy

[The_Patriot]

[quote="The_Emperior5"]pat Ethnicy is not about colour

Tigray and oromo both look a like yet they are from Diffrent Ethnicy[/quote]

Emporor manta baadh sheganeysa isaq ibnul kuturukuteno ibnul carab.
hadhi lagu baaro ayeydhaa Ogaden waye ee dir baadh tahay.
shekada mesha kujoji.
Isaq,Hawiye Darood wa isku meshii.

[kambuli]

Patriot, concluded the whole thread

All somalis are dabo madow with exeptions of those who apply Diana.

Let me add:

Isma dhaanto iyo dhasheed

[The_Emperior5]

war hee dhe goormaanu isaaq uu galnay waleh reerkaan ogaden wa ummad la fallay

war qawmiyadaha Ethiopia ayaanu ka hadlaney

ama isaaq carab na noqdo ama ruush ha noqdo ama Indoneisa ha noqdo ama gurage ha noqdo taasii imika ma tagnaa

[The_Patriot]

runta hadhi lagahadlo manta wa yaab inuu nin Isaq kafano nin Hawiye
wayo raga Isaqa waxey ahayen rag gagaban oo madmadow.

mahmah Isaq wexey aheydh folxumo ragte Ogadeen ba lagurebaa.

[The_Emperior5]

warya patriot nin qurux badan halkeed ku aragtay raggu ma qurux bay leeyihin raggan anigu haan iqiinay sariirta uun bay qurux badnayeen sarrirta na way kaga gariirsiinjiireen