Somalia and Israel Relations

[Gen.Aideed]

[quote:=Twisted-Logic, "Without going to detail, it is very clear that almost 60% of your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand and almost exclusively deals with childish immature insults that in no-way contribute to a healthy discussion. Once again, the simple fact that you have to rely almost exclusively on insults evidently exposes the inherent lack of substance in your argument. As I have to told you earlier on my previous post, the level on frustration and anger in your posts is a true depiction of the inherent lack of content in your argument and the fact that you have to use insults to cover for your lack of intellect is plain comical. [quote]

You hit the nail on the head. Cunug yar waaye iska dhaaf.

[Gen.Aideed]

Voltage, saxib waa lagaa adkaadey isaga tag meesha.

Twisted's argument centers on 'national interest' as the tail we Somalis have to go after . Yours, on the other hand , centers on 'faith' and Arabism.
Until you contradicted yourself, you couldn't grasp the strategic importlance of inter-state relationships.

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

This is very amazing. Even the link you have posted clearly backs up my earlier assertions!


" If Israel, Cuba, South Yemen, East Germany, and the USSR make strange bedfellows it did not appear to phase the Israeli plicymakers who cite their NATIONAL INTERESTS IN RED SEA REGION as more decisive than ideological differences with the Dergue's other allies"

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This is what I have said in my previous post

---"You made the naive case that since the Arabs helped the Ethiopians during 1977 war essentially based on their desire to portray themselves as a reliable friend of the Soviets, why did the Israelis move from the Western camp to the Soviet Camp for the sake of the Ethiopians? I am sorry to break the news to you, but that is the most bizarre argument I have yet to hear. As explained to you on my previous post, Israel had a strategic relationship with the Ethiopians. They used the Ethiopian ports as base for the submarines which provided the Jewish State an indispensable source of Second Strike Capability. For a strategic narrow country like Israel, that is HUGE. The Israelis in turn came to the aid of the Ethiopians not only as a " Thank You" gesture but even more importantly, the Somalis were showing no signs of slowing down, especially after they had set their eyes on Addis which would have meant the fall of the Mengistu regime and the likelihood of Israel losing its only source of naval base outside its territory. The Israel support for Ethiopia was driven essentially by the Jewish State's need for the Ethiopian ports."---

I don't even know why I am wasting my time arguing with you. You have no case.

[Ureysoo]

To draw the boundaries or give a crystal-clear response, we should focus on "The State of Israel". We know the residents of that state are divided among themselves. The 1st group declined the Zionism notion, whilst the latter backs it up. But above all the multiplicities of thoughts --- The incidents that took place in Palestine speaks against the objectives of "The State of Israel". Additionally, as much as Islam thrust anti-Semitism aside, it also discourages Zionism.

However, we should look @ all angles, before we withdraw our support or call out 4 such correlation. On the basis of "mutual interest" --- Israel can put forward alot of offers, but the Q remains the same --- What are the expenses, since there's nothing free in this world?. We apparently, got 2 do something 2 return the favour and by some means that might turn up 2 self-inflicted detriment. I think Somalia can't run that risk Sxb.....

[American-Suufi]

First, you need a soveriegn Somali nation to establish relations with others. The question here should be, can Somalis agree to establish a strong Somali government? Can you? Dont put the cart infront of the horse.

[justice4basra]

[quote="American-Suufi"]First, you need a soveriegn Somali nation to establish relations with others. The question here should be, can Somalis agree to establish a strong Somali government? Can you? Dont put the cart infront of the horse.[/quote]

somalia is sovereign as it has a legitimate government in the TFG. it's not occupied. dude, your mistaken

[American-Suufi]

[quote="justice4basra"][quote="American-Suufi"]First, you need a soveriegn Somali nation to establish relations with others. The question here should be, can Somalis agree to establish a strong Somali government? Can you? Dont put the cart infront of the horse.[/quote]

somalia is sovereign as it has a legitimate government in the TFG. it's not occupied. dude, your mistaken[/quote]

I don't believe the TFG is a sovereign or legitimate entity. If you support the TFG and deny the Ethiopian occupation of Somalia why do you want me to fight with the Ethiopians? People here are either not sane or not sober.

[quote="justice4basra"]Shirib, American-Suufi is suufi and suufis do not support fighting the Ethiopians or occupiers[/quote]

[justice4basra]

[quote="American-Suufi"]I don't believe the TFG is a sovereign or legitimate entity. If you support the TFG and deny the Ethiopian occupation of Somalia why do you want me to fight with the Ethiopians? People here are either not sane or not sober.[/quote]

'cause suufis can't fight, they're useless. they don't have a solution 'cause they can't become an alternative to the TFG or ICU. like i said, your all empty talk and it doesn't change anything. your neither with the TFG or ICU, you also got no solution

[American-Suufi]

justice4basra, Ok. You won. I lost.

[FAH1223]

wow

[Goljano Lion]

Do you think it is wise for Somalia to have diplomatic relations with the State of Israel? why or why not?

i hope Somaliland does

[snoop12]

these guys are disgraceful, from now on their comments hold no ground

[Alexxx]

THIS is what I already schooled you about concerning the Iranian incident you brought


---"The THIRD gibberish you put together is ironically the one that most of all sums up your lack of comprehension skills and the extent of your incoherent blabber. You used this Iranian conduct to excuse Israel's action and I cannot help but really ask if either you are this dense or you assumed I would not read the article?? IRST OF ALL, Iran did not give the Ethiopians anything, rather it was an American transfer of weapons THROUGH Shah-controlled Iran and this occurred IN 1975 WHEN HAILE SALASSIE WAS IN CONTROL OF ETHIOPIA WHICH WAS THEN SQUARED IN THE WESTERN CAMP AND VERY MUCH ANTI-MARXIST/ANTI-SOCIALIST.

Get schooled boy. The Americans made a transfer of fighter plans from Shah-controlled Iran to Haile Salassie-controlled Ethiopia in 1975, before the Ethiopian communist revolution. This is all perfect legitimate kid, neither the U.S nor Shah-controlled Iran nor any other Western camp nation gave a dime to the Menguste marxist Ethiopia

This is but ONE of the MANY things that highlighted just how much you are ignorant of this issue. Unfortunately I do not get paid to educate you every time you are suffering a comprehension-crisis so I will take the leave that I have already announced.

You are wrong! King Haile Selassie of Ethiopia was overthrown from power in 1974. The Sociaist crews were already in charge in 1975.

[Basra-]

shirib said it BEST ....arabs are bitc@hes....and Yuhud are zionist or snakes. Both useless.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

It is not wise for now to start relations with israel when they are committing genocide on our palestinian brothers and sisters.
However if palestine get their country back and these two(israel,palestine)live with each other in peace while recognizing each others country, i believe it is wise to start relations with israel.
For now: HELL f-king NO