Fatwa: Liberals Aren't Real Muslims

[gurey25]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]gurey25,

ok but the region is still a good prospect huh?[/quote]

not really, if american economy goes down,
everyone goes down.

[Gedo_Boy]

well yes ofcourse, but would it to a lesser extent..........people still need oil.

[paidmonk]

Saudi Arabia jails all the good sheiks and only leaves the dhabodilifs to breathe...I'd rather not listen to their tripe.

[*Arabman]

[Let Iran fock wit us and you'll see what will happen ]

Iran already did that, and America can't do anything about it.

[Grant]

[quote="michael_ital"]LoL@ Pearl Harbour

In hindsight, was the actual threat of Japan comparable to the perceived threat that influenced America to launch nuclear devastation ? And again in hindsight, was Fat Man and Littleboy overkill ? Also, do you perceive the Islamic threat in equal, greater or less terms than WW II Japan?[/quote]

Mike,

In hindsight we know that Roosevelt manipulated Pearl Harbour to bring the US into the war, and we also know that by the end of the European phase of the war the Germans were only a matter of months away from their own nuclear device.

Hindsight is not a great perspective for historical questions of measured response or ethical/moral values. In this case Harry Truman was losing a lot of troops in places like Iwo Jima and Guadal Canal and didn't really know what the Japanese had up their kimonos besides Kamikazis. I think he thought he was using the very biggest stick he had in what he thought was a good cause. I'm glad they only had two bombs and that those two were enough.

The concept of Kamikazi is very similar to that of Shaheed, but the technical capabilities of the age have raised the stakes. Shaped charges. Dirty bombs and nuclear devices. Long range ballistic missiles.True Believers acting outside the restraints of national governments. The Revolutionary Guard infiltrating the Sunni states, etc.

I do not think they have yet come up with the bomb that will knock out the Jihadis. In terms of actual damage to the US and Western World, I believe it is they who pose the larger threat.

[*Arabman]

Liberal Muslims should be given the option to come back to the fold of Islam or life in non-Muslim countries.

[gurey25]

[quote="Grant"][quote="michael_ital"]LoL@ Pearl Harbour

In hindsight, was the actual threat of Japan comparable to the perceived threat that influenced America to launch nuclear devastation ? And again in hindsight, was Fat Man and Littleboy overkill ? Also, do you perceive the Islamic threat in equal, greater or less terms than WW II Japan?[/quote]

Mike,

In hindsight we know that Roosevelt manipulated Pearl Harbour to bring the US into the war, and we also know that by the end of the European phase of the war the Germans were only a matter of months away from their own nuclear device.

Hindsight is not a great perspective for historical questions of measured response or ethical/moral values. In this case Harry Truman was losing a lot of troops in places like Iwo Jima and Guadal Canal and didn't really know what the Japanese had up their kimonos besides Kamikazis. I think he thought he was using the very biggest stick he had in what he thought was a good cause. I'm glad they only had two bombs and that those two were enough.

The concept of Kamikazi is very similar to that of Shaheed, but the technical capabilities of the age have raised the stakes. Shaped charges. Dirty bombs and nuclear devices. Long range ballistic missiles.True Believers acting outside the restraints of national governments. The Revolutionary Guard infiltrating the Sunni states, etc.

I do not think they have yet come up with the bomb that will knock out the Jihadis. In terms of actual damage to the US and Western World, I believe it is they who pose the larger threat.[/quote]


Grant the Germans where no where near having the bomb, the germans calculated early on that its not possible to build the bomb, and diverted all research elsewhere, particularly into reactors.

So you justify killing innocent civilians becuase you dont know what they may have under thier kimonos?


The Kamikaze my be a strange fanatical thing to do, but in reality they were brave man , defending an alien invasion of thier homeland. Dying to protect your people is a beatifull and honourable thing, something beyond your understanding.

and what is pearl harbour? it was a legitamte millitary target and roosvelt already started the war by depriving Japan of oil,
they had to capture the indonesian oil fields and fight the US, or surrender and be good little boys.



History is made by the victors Grant,
In reality you are the biggest terrorist in Human history , second only to the Mongol Hordes, becuase you purposefully targeted innocent civiilians in your firebombing of cities like Dresden and Tokyo, as well the atomic bombs.

[Grant]

Gurey,

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/atombomb/Ruegen.html


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Saturday, March 5, 2005


"Hitler won atomic bomb race, but couldn't drop it

By Ernest Gill in Hamburg

ADOLF Hitler had the atom bomb first but it was too primitive and ungainly for aerial deployment, says a new book that indicates the race to split the atom was much closer than is believed.

Nazi scientists carried out tests of what would now be called a dirty nuclear device in the waning days of World War II, writes Rainer Karlsch, a German historian, in his book Hitler's Bomb, to be be published this month.


Concentration camp inmates were used as human guinea pigs and "several hundred" died in the tests, conducted on the Baltic Sea island of Rügen and at an inland test in wooded hill country about 100 kilometres south of Berlin in 1944 and early 1945.

Karlsch, 47, author of a number of books on Cold War espionage and the nuclear arms race, supports his findings on what his publishers call hitherto unpublished documents, scientific reports and blueprints.

A US historian, Mark Walker, an expert on the Third Reich's atomic weapons program, lent his support to Karlsch's claims on Thursday. "I consider the arguments very convincing," he said.
However, Hitler's atomic weapon did not approach the devastating potential of the US bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, said Professor Walker, a history professor at Union College in Schenectady, New York state.

He said the weapon secretly developed and tested by Nazi scientists was more comparable to a dirty bomb, nuclear material encased in explosives.

Professor Walker praised Karlsch for writing "a whole new chapter" on Hitler's search for the "wonder weapon".

Hitler's claims that his scientists were working on the "wonder weapon" have been dismissed as the rantings of a desperate and deranged man. But Karlsch's book lends credence to the possibility that Hitler may have been closer to getting his hands on that weapon than anyone has previously believed.

It was known that German scientists had carried out heavy-water experiments in an attempt to split the atom, using research facilities in Norway and elsewhere. But it was widely believed that Nazi scientists had been hampered by a lack of pure-grade uranium, which was almost non-existent outside North America and Africa.

It was also surmised that Hitler had favoured conventional weapons over nuclear arms because his limited grasp of strategic warfare prevented him from seeing the ramifications of nuclear capability. It was believed that he had discouraged development of the atom bomb.

But Karlsch says he found documented proof of the existence of a nuclear reactor and nuclear weapons testing sites.

His publishers, Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, said his work was based on four years of painstaking research and interviews with independent historians.

Among the most compelling pieces of evidence is a 1941 patent draft for a plutonium bomb, said Markus Desaga, a spokesman for the publisher.

"He also based his research on contemporary research reports, construction blueprints, aerial surveillance photos, notebooks of some of the scientists involved as well as espionage reports by US and Soviet agents," Mr Desaga said.

"He also based his findings on radiation measurements and soil analysis."

Deutsche Presse-Agentur

British and American Intelligence experts of the ALSOS team dismantle the German experimental reactor at Haigerloch in May 1945. Photo from David Irving, The Virus House (provided by Michael Perrin)."


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There are a good number of other recent reports out. See what you get if you search "Hitler and the Atomic bomb". It appears they had the pieces, but did not get them together for a fissionable device. Still, they could have done a lot of damage with a dirty bomb on the end of a V2, and that was NOT that far away....

[*Arabman]

Grant, as someone stated, history is made by the victors. Your link and its content was made by the victors, therefore, it's questionable.

[Grant]

TAM,

If you feel that history writen by loosers is more credible, please give us a sample.

You can begin with the "innocent" convicts in Britain. Show us your evidence that refutes the prosecution eyewitnesses and tapes and the testimony of the participant that turned state's evidence. Actual evidence now, not just anecdote that six out of seven muslims don't lie.

[Basra-]

Grant

Did i tell u Hitler is my favorite hero?

[gurey25]

Grant a "dirty bomb" is not really a nuclear bomb.
any well equiped workshop or any good college labratory can produce it within hours, if given enough radioactive material.

You dont undertstand the compelxity of building a fission bomb for the first time,
The US put in enormous amounts of funds and material for the manhattan project,
the UK scientists that had a head start, had to supply all thier research and sell all thier equipment at a loss, to the US due to the conditions of lend lease.
The Top British scientists as well as all the emigre scientists were gathered from europe and heade straight to to project.

The efforts to produce the bomb where herculian and the Germans did not have anything near the resources to pull it off.

Even the Russians that had access to most of the technology they stole through intelligence efforts and inherting some of the german research, managed it in 1949.
Even if Germany won the war in East and was able to roll back the normandy landings, they would nopt have had the bomb till 1950.

[musika man]

like arab says getting out of our beds and getting a feed is predetrmined like birds out of thier nests. allah helps those who want help tjemselves, like to be nurtured by angels humans.

[musika man]

[quote="musika man"]like arab says getting out of our beds and getting a feed is predetrmined like birds out of thier nests. allah helps those who want help tjemselves, like to be nurtured by angels humans.[/quote]

who are the gods?

[*Arabman]

[You can begin with the "innocent" convicts in Britain.]

Let me begin with the Holocaust; I think it's a myth concocted to justify uprooting and ethnic-cleansing Palestinians from their lands. Tales of German troops laughing within a striking distance of the gas chambers aren't scientifically and medically credible. There are enormous precautions taken when executing a death row inmate with lethal gas. As a Zionist, I am not sure you can withstand the works of Ernst Zünde, David Irving, Pierre Guillaume and others who have scholarly and scientifically proven the Holocaust was nothing more than a myth.