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Egypt and most arab countries are muslims but they ain't built on Sharia. You get my point?

I was wondering is Clan really the root of our problem?

We'v always had qabil, but before the civil war, things weren't so bad, in fact it depended largely on the qabil struture...

Could just be, we need to learn to forgive and forget, some humanism.

Most of us are still reliving the civil war, maybe if we actually moved on, Thought about the future, we can start a strong stable education system, economy, lifestlye and bring our diin to it centrality.

[Arabman,
North America and Europes ain't based on Sharia and they are peacefull and advanced countries. So a country can be built without Islamic Sharai.]

However, there's no Muslim country (majority Muslim population) that's peaceful and advanced as North America and Europe. Otherwise, cite a few Muslim countries.

[quote="MJ-Pride"]Egypt and most arab countries are muslims but they ain't built on Sharia. You get my point?[/quote]

they're all shit countries...there's nothing such as secular islam..either establish sharia law or dont call your country 'islamic'..

Arabman, majority of Somalis are not practicing muslims, In fact, they could be classified as pick and chose Muslims or Muslims by name only. So how would you propose to make them an educated practicing muslims first sans the hand of Sharia Islamiya? Because, if sharia Islamiya is imposed on such unenlightned society, they will likely end up using force to induce the public which in turn will hinder the whole process of going forward.

I don't agree an Islamic based ruling political institution is what we need at this point.

[quote="*Arabman"][Arabman,
North America and Europes ain't based on Sharia and they are peacefull and advanced countries. So a country can be built without Islamic Sharai.]

However, there's no Muslim country (majority Muslim population) that's peaceful and advanced as North America and Europe. Otherwise, cite a few Muslim countries.[/quote]

Turkey?

[Arabman, majority of Somalis are not practicing muslims, In fact, they could be classified as pick and chose Muslims or Muslims by name only. So how would you propose to make them an educated practicing muslims first sans the hand of Sharia Islamiya? Because, if sharia Islamiya is imposed on such unenlightned society, they will likely end up using force to induce the public which in turn will hinder the whole process of going forward.]

I don't know how you concluded majority of Somalis aren't practicing Muslims; if you are talking about the new young generation who grew up in the West, then you might be right. Somalis who live in the West constitute a small percentage (5% or less) of the total population of Somalia. Those who live in Somalia have gone through a lot; they have endured loss of a dear relative, loss of limb, loss of health, loss of wealth, trauma, etc. As a result, they have gotten closer to Islam, and it's no wonder they are those who mostly support the ICU.

Your reasoning on how to make non-practicing Muslims educated practicing Muslims first sans the hand of Sharia Islamiya is flawed. What should those non-practicing Muslims be educated on? To pray, fast, pay zakat, that it's against Islam to kill, rape, steal, lie, etc? Non-practicing Muslims know most if not all of those, but they don't practice it. They need enforcement; that's where Sharia Islamiya comes. How do you stop a non-practicing Muslim from killing a nafs, raping a Muslima, stealing from someone, etc? How do you stop a khat-addict from chewing it? You educate him on the risks of khat? Khat is forbidden in the US; did the US first educate Somalis on the risks of khat, gave them a generous period of 1/2/3 years before it forbade it? When you enforce Sharia Islamiya on the punishment of stealing by cutting the hand of the thief, every would-be-thief will pay attention and not risk his limb for a few or more dollars. There's no generous or moratorium period after Sharia Islamiya is applied; before it's applied, the authorities will announce it and make sure most everyone has heard about it. Various means can be used to announce it; press, radio, TV, khutbas, etc.

[I don't agree an Islamic based ruling political institution is what we need at this point.]

We can only hope what you think we need can work.
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[Turkey?]

It's peaceful and advanced as America and Europe?

[quote="MJ-Pride"]Arabman,
North America and Europes ain't based on Sharia and they are peacefull and advanced countries. So a country can be built without Islamic Sharai.[/quote]

The reason they have advanced so much is because they abandoned the Church.

Muslims are behind because they have abandoned the Qur'an as our constitution.

The act of forgiveness is the key element of Somali solution. It has nothing to do with Education, Business or Religion. However, religion would have solved the problem easily.

[The reason they have advanced so much is because they abandoned the Church.

Muslims are behind because they have abandoned the Qur'an as our constitution.]

You're wrong on the first line, right on the second line. Having "abandoned the Church" got little to do with their advancement. There are other important factors. Slavery provided them the labor they needed to advance. Colonization provided them abundant natural resources (diamond, gold, valuable minerals/metals, etc). They conspired to limit the advancement of many countries; Great Britain using military power to force illegal drugs on the Chinese society (refer to the 19th-Century Opium Wars) to make them drug addicts is ample example. Using client/corrupt governments to disenfranchise, subjugate, bankrupt, starve and impoverish its citizens is another example. Importing (immigration, asylum & resettlement by way of civil wars) the best brains of the Third World is also another example. Etcetera.

[quote="*Arabman"][The reason they have advanced so much is because they abandoned the Church.

Muslims are behind because they have abandoned the Qur'an as our constitution.]

You're wrong on the first line, right on the second line. Having "abandoned the Church" got little to do with their advancement. There are other important factors. Slavery provided them the labor they needed to advance. Colonization provided them abundant natural resources (diamond, gold, valuable minerals/metals, etc). They conspired to limit the advancement of many countries; Great Britain using military power to force illegal drugs on the Chinese society (refer to the 19th-Century Opium Wars) to make them drug addicts is ample example. Using client/corrupt governments to disenfranchise, subjugate, bankrupt, starve and impoverish its citizens is another example. Importing (immigration, asylum & resettlement by way of civil wars) the best brains of the Third World is also another example. Etcetera.[/quote]

Their advancement of technology and science

there is no way in hell they would have advanced so much if the Church was still important

also, their "human rights" would be in the sh1tter, if you get what I mean.