Ethiopians, Hawiye and some Tanzanians all in Bosaso to sail

[Somali2003]

Shidow. NO it is a welcome thread for the sailing Hawiye.

[Somaliweyn]

Luq,

Ofcourse large population plays a role in the fast expansion of commercial activity in Mogadishu. But you miss the most crucial aspect of the new economy of Somalia. For example, large population is not the only variable. Why has Hargeisa been so reactionary? The economy of the North west is stagnating despite peace and stability. The same for Northeast, were the economy is mainly dependent on pastoral economy. The commercial economy is just starting to get off the ground.

So what makes the business community in Mogadishu different then the others?

The business community in Mogadishu is very innovative and flexible. Mogadishu city has witnessed heavy fighting during 1991 (4 months), after that there was constant skirmishes going on. No peace, no stability, predatory warlords who are like parasites living off others with their checkpoints. All this chaos, yet the business community has grown since 1991 and spearheaded the economic transformation of Somalia.

A case in point is the situation with ports:

For example, Mogadishu port was closed because factions could not agree on sharing (political reason), the business community had to come up with a solution. So the Southern Mogadishu faction starts to use Merca. North Mogadishu starts to use Ceel Macaan.

So between 1991 to 1995, you could clearly see that economic activity was guided by political considerations. For example someone from North Mogadishu would use Ceel Macaan and not Merca port.

After 1998, the business community starts to follow economic logic. Efficiency and keeping costs as low as possible are main drivers for businesses. This leads to gradual integration of the divided communities in Mogadishu. Every one uses Ceel Macaan no matter from what clan. Warlords lose their grip on businesses. Aideed Jr/Caato cannot keep their businessmen to use Merca port, as they all flee to Ceel Macaan. Economic integration leads to peacefull coexistance between different groups in Mogadishu. No more large scale inter-group war, because this is bad for business! The only conflicts that occure are for economic reasons: warlords contesting for lucrative checkpoints, ports, airports etc.

Ceel macaan is a good example of the economic transformation:

From 1995 to 2003, a simple beach with no port facilities is transformed into the most profitable port of Somalia. It creates thousands of jobs, the port keeps tens of thousands of families in life, it facilitates Mogadishu business. Business community endores the use of Ceel Macaan over the use of real ports, like Mogadishu International port.

Gradually business community becomes independent force in Mogadishu looking after its own interests. This process culminates into the strategic alliance of UIC and business community. In no time warlords are evicted of Mogadishu, road blocks cleared. Transaction costs decrease by 50% etc. Business booms.

Then UIC start to behave like African regimes: High import tarrifs, favoring of own business buddies etc.

UIC gets ousted as business community watches on the side line. Tigre occuaption and Tigre puppet regime come in Mogadishu. Business gets disrupted. Again Mogadishu business community needs to come up with a solution: Large part of business groups move their assets abroad. Some groups try to appease the tigre puppet regime, others become inactive and wait till they reach boiling point. After this boiling point they will finance any group which can end their economic suffering.


Mogadishu business community grows stronger after every obstacle thrown in its path. I is a matter of time before the right group steps on the scene to accelerate this economic transformation so that all Somalis can enjoy its fruits. We need to clear the way for these business ''savage'' men, who will pursue their business interest with no regard to political considerations.

[shidow1]

[quote="Somali2003"]:lol: Shidow. NO it is a welcome thread for the sailing Hawiye.[/quote]
Wow easy with the Hawiyes.....

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Ican"][quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="cabdallah252"]hawiye boy why you need to lie, wtf is El Maan?

the only port in somalia that are functioning are berbera and bosaso, and bosaso has about 4 times more export then berbera, bosaso exports about one billion every year its the main port of somalia everybody knows that[/quote]

I don't want to expose how ill-informed you are, but I will challenge you to bring forth any concrete evidence to support your childish assumptions.[/quote]

"To give an indication of the future
potential revenues that may be generated at Mogadishu seaport, the following graphic shows that
during the years 2003 and 2004, El Ma’an seaport earned from 22.5 to 30 millions USD, respectively,
easily surpassing the revenues earned at the other main Somalia seaports."
-- page number 35 on the link provided below:

http://www.ethrev.com/documents/Somalia ... v_2006.pdf

Next time some-one challenges you to put your money where your mouth is, let us not count how many livestock port x or z exports. Come with concrete numbers and then we can have a decent discourse! Good luck proving how profitable Bosaso is![/quote]

According to the FAO-UN livestock report, Mogadishu was not in operation in 2003.

"The onset of the civil war disrupted almost all of this livestock trade in the southern part of
the country. Exports by sea from Mogadishu and Kismayo came to a virtual halt. The main
livestock species of the hinterlands of these two ports, in contrast to those of Berbera and
Bossasso in the north, which are strongholds of sheep and goats and camels, are populated by
large numbers of cattle."

"The main port at Mogadishu was not in use in 2003 because of the
ethnic conflicts in the area. Any livestock exports would, therefore, have to be loaded on ships by
first loading them on lighters. This is a slow and tedious process and would tend to limit livestock
exports. In addition, the Indian Ocean off the east coast of Somalia is rough, especially in the
summer, which means that small ships (such as the dhows that transport most of the livestock
from Bossasso) would not be suitable for large scale exports.ayu port."

Because of the Saudi Ban Bossaso was ahead of berbera port in terms of livestock export as of 2002:

"The ban on imports from Somalia by Saudi Arabia resulted in a drop of exports from
Berbera of two thirds. Bossasso with its closer proximity to Yemen, Oman, and the UAE has
managed to increase exports to these countries offsetting to a large degree the loss of the market
in Saudi Arabia."

There is a graph showing the number of exports(cattle, sheep, goats etc) of the respective ports.

Bossaso port is the most profitable port in Somalia as of today, that doesn't mean however that other ports don't have potential to be profitable.

Source:FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION
OF THE UNITED NATIONS[/quote]

My dear brother, no where does it say that Bosaso is the most profitable port in Somalia. As I said before, the international understanding based solidly on studies conducted by independent parties all agree that El Maan generates the most revenue of all the Somali ports, in fact if you read the following study conducted by the United Nation Security Council, then you will agree that even Barbera is more profitable then Bosaso! According to the UN:

"[i]El Ma’an seaport earned from 22.5 to 30 millions USD, respectively,
easily surpassing the revenues earned at the other main Somalia seaports[/i]."

http://somalinet.com/exit/?exit=http:// ... v_2006.pdf

In fact had Bosaso generated enough revenue to keep up with the long pockets of the Puntland government, the economy would not have collapsed and inflation wouldn’t have been so devastating. In fact, the recent unrest and individual antagonism between different characters for the control of the scare resources underlines the struggling economy of Puntland that has been caused by numerous factors, chief among them, corruption and an inherently substandard political system. Recently, there has been several cases of protests by the local public servants who were angry for not being paid for numerous months, if Bosaso generates as much money as publicized by corruption apologists, one is forced to ask, “where has all the money gone.”

[Unclebin-]

^ the reason for inflation in Puntland is because they print more money then is neccessary for economic growth.

You will see the fruits of that in Xamar soon to be because of a man named baashir Ciise

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Unclebin-"]^ the reason for inflation in Puntland is because they print more money then is neccessary for economic growth.

You will see the fruits of that in Xamar soon to be because of a man named baashir Ciise [/quote]

We will see!!!

[DONKEYMAN]

[qoute]=Twisted Logis: In fact had Bosaso generated enough revenue to keep up with the long pockets of the Puntland government, the economy would not have collapsed and inflation wouldn’t have been so devastating. In fact, the recent unrest and individual antagonism between different characters for the control of the scare resources underlines the struggling economy of Puntland that has been caused by numerous factors, chief among them, corruption and an inherently substandard political system. Recently, there has been several cases of protests by the local public servants who were angry for not being paid for numerous months, if Bosaso generates as much money as publicized by corruption apologists, one is forced to ask, “where has all the money gone.”[/quote]



Three high ranking officers in Garoowe also resigned yesterday for lack of wages. Troops in Adhiadeeye have never been paid for more than 6 months and they finally disintegrated to fetch for their families.

Twisted, you are brilliant Abgaal. Finally, one brilliant cousin has joined the Abgaal crew of SomaliNet.