somali americans-part 2 if america is evil, why do you live

[*Arabman]

Few Somalis manage to come to America; this isn't the pre-911 era. Many have gone to Canada, Europe, and some to the Middle East and other parts of the world. Islam is perfect; you, I and others know that.

[jamalllll]

musicaman you are a fool and you don't know what you are talking about.

What you have is exactly the same crap that those muslim haters preach

Even bush said that this is an ideological war-

Those arabs that you are talking about are slaves of the west and infact they are oppressing their poor citizens

If you asked me it is bush and his admin who are the terrorist; REMEMBER when they said your are either with us or against us or what was said to the pakistanis.

Alot of scholers in the west are against this regime's ways so being against bush's war is not equal to being a terrorist you fool.

[FAH1223]

[quote="MAD MAC"]"The media and Hollywood movies misled those dudes who come to America. If they had known America is an evil monster that hurts the Ummah, most wouldn't have gone there. Some dudes already left, and most are working on leaving America for good. Most Somalis in America paid $thousands to get there; they didn't go there free of charge. This is about business; nothing to do with "welcoming" Somalis. America needs immigrants; without them, America wouldn't function."

Arab
You are so funny. Just reflexive anti-American. In fact, the number of Somalis moving to America continues to increase, not decrease. You just make crap up.

As for immigrants, the Somali population is a drop in the bucket. It's nothing.

And whether or not it's about buisiness or welcoming is irrelevent. The Somalis did left a nation torn apart by their fellow Muslims, were often rejected entry by their Muslim "brothers" and ended up in Europe or America. You like to pretend that Islam and Muslims are not the problem, and blame anyone and everyone else. Butit is OBVIOUS that Islam and Muslims ARE the problem.[/quote]

Islam isn't the problem, Muslims are

Most of these civil conflicts in the Muslim World have nothing to do with Islam

Muslims are far away from the deen

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Islam isn't the problem, Muslims are

Most of these civil conflicts in the Muslim World have nothing to do with Islam

Muslims are far away from the deen"

I disagree. Allow me to explain. Islam, more than any other faith in the world, is a social compact. In particular, it has extensive laws. These laws and rules, so Muslims believe, come from divine source. Thus they are unimpeachable. When Muslims disagree about the application of laws amongst each other, this can lead to violent conflict, as each side believes there can be only one right answer to any such question. When they share a state or a border state with another society which is not Islamic, the conflict becomes worse, and Islamic law tends to be far more confining than non-Muslims are willing to accept. Thus Islam becomes the problem.

A lot of Muslims will agree with this basic interpretation, but insist that the solution lies in "scholars" appointed to interpret and acceptance of Islam by non-Muslims, or at least acceptance of Islamic rule. Since this is not feasible, the seeds are laid for serious and endless conflict. Hence Islam is the problem, because Muslims at root do not respect or acknowledge as legitimate non-Muslims.

[FAH1223]

[quote="MAD MAC"]"Islam isn't the problem, Muslims are

Most of these civil conflicts in the Muslim World have nothing to do with Islam

Muslims are far away from the deen"

I disagree. Allow me to explain. Islam, more than any other faith in the world, is a social compact. In particular, it has extensive laws. These laws and rules, so Muslims believe, come from divine source. Thus they are unimpeachable. When Muslims disagree about the application of laws amongst each other, this can lead to violent conflict, as each side believes there can be only one right answer to any such question. When they share a state or a border state with another society which is not Islamic, the conflict becomes worse, and Islamic law tends to be far more confining than non-Muslims are willing to accept. Thus Islam becomes the problem.

A lot of Muslims will agree with this basic interpretation, but insist that the solution lies in "scholars" appointed to interpret and acceptance of Islam by non-Muslims, or at least acceptance of Islamic rule. Since this is not feasible, the seeds are laid for serious and endless conflict. Hence Islam is the problem, because Muslims at root do not respect or acknowledge as legitimate non-Muslims.[/quote]

You just proved it for me with this post.

The interpretation of law (s) are the matter of debate, not the issue of what the laws are!

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"The interpretation of law (s) are the matter of debate, not the issue of what the laws are!" Both actually. What the laws are and interpretation are both subject to debate. Of course, I note you did not discuss the core issue, which is Islam incompatability with kufr society and it's basic lack of respect for the legitimacy of that society.

[musika man]

[quote="jamalllll"]musicaman you are a fool and you don't know what you are talking about.

What you have is exactly the same crap that those muslim haters preach

Even bush said that this is an ideological war-

Those arabs that you are talking about are slaves of the west and infact they are oppressing their poor citizens

If you asked me it is bush and his admin who are the terrorist; REMEMBER when they said your are either with us or against us or what was said to the pakistanis.

Alot of scholers in the west are against this regime's ways so being against bush's war is not equal to being a terrorist you fool.[/quote]

^^^^
bush and osama are all warmongers. osama is a terrorist whateva that word means. i see no muslim-christian wars except these crazy men with crazy egos. sunnis are killing shiats in their own mosques in irak and in pakistan, did the shiats work for the cia? are they americans? your hypocrism, you dudes all hate shiats and accuse them of being sunni haters at the sametime you dance for iran's president. or is this from the blind wahabi-takfiri hatred towards shiats? you be the fool if u believe osama and bush.

[jamalllll]

musicaman

As long as you agree that initiating violence is wrong regardless of who is doing it ,we have no problem.

As for terrorism the defination must exclude the struggle for freedom from oppression , slavery or imperialism all within limits ofcourse. Nothing can justify the killing of innocent civilians in any case whether by a government or rebels.