Islamization and Arabization

[paidmonk]

Naagnimo must run through your other nicks as well.

[Ashlee]

[quote="Somali2003"]War Ileen Kufaar qarsoon baad aheed.[/quote]

Retarded response.

Back up your claims or shut it. It's simple, really.

[paidmonk]

*crickets*

No answer from Somali2003? None? Doesn't even know when Somalia adopted Islam? Surely he must have an answer.

[paidmonk]

Somali2003, its been several hours since you last spoke, I see you're online, come in and speak.

[FAH1223]

Islam was already in the Horn during the time of the Prophet, Sallahu Alayhi Wasallam

the sahabi immigrants !

...

[paidmonk]

^ No Proof that it reached Somalis during that time though.

The Prophet (saw) was in the horn at that time, but the religion did not spread at that point. It wouldn't have impact in the horn for another 500 years until the 12th century.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

[quote="paidmonk"]^ No Proof that it reached Somalis during that time though.

The Prophet (saw) was in the horn at that time, but the religion did not spread at that point. It wouldn't have impact in the horn for another 500 years until the 12th century.[/quote]

Sheekh Daarood Ismaaciil

[FAH1223]

[quote="paidmonk"]^ No Proof that it reached Somalis during that time though.

The Prophet (saw) was in the horn at that time, but the religion did not spread at that point. It wouldn't have impact in the horn for another 500 years until the 12th century.[/quote]

The Prophet, Sallahu Alayhi Wasallam didn't leave the Peninsula...

[paidmonk]

My bad, I went against my original statement that the prophet never left the peninsula.

For a second, my mind skipped and I thought that the prophet recruited Bilal in his home of Ethiopia, when in fact Bilal was from Mecca. I, strangely in my mind, connected the axumite empire to the peninsula via a land bridge, I don't know how that hit my mind.

My bad there. Fact stands though; Islam didn't affect the horn until the 12th century.

[FAH1223]

[quote="paidmonk"]My bad, I went against my original statement that the prophet never left the peninsula.

For a second, my mind skipped and I thought that the prophet recruited Bilal in his home of Ethiopia, when in fact Bilal was from Mecca. I, strangely in my mind, connected the axumite empire to the peninsula via a land bridge, I don't know how that hit my mind.

My bad there. Fact stands though; Islam didn't affect the horn until the 12th century.[/quote]

here is how it is

the seeds were planted in Abysinnia

and the roots didn't come up till the 11th-12th century

[paidmonk]

^ correctomundo!

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Arabman
You ALREADY have the Latin script, adopted to Somali language. Now that it's in place, and Somalis know how to use it, the better question would be why change? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Xusseyn]

[quote="masugge"]Even though Somalis are Muslims, it's obvious that Somalis can't associate & interact with Arabs in any form & shape. It's a well known fact that Arabs treat Somalis so badly during all this appalling & suffering times. Somalis feel much better and would rather prefere to live in other foreign countries than to live in an Arab one. Why you may ask? Simple, it's because Arabs Hate Somalis, and Somalis can't stand with that hatred. As a result of this, no Somali in his right mind would allow himself to be Arabized![/quote]

We are hated every where we go, maybe it's some thing to do with us. You should reject Arabization through certain forms of Islam, because your not Arab and want to continue who you are. You should never base that on how Somalis are seen or treated by others.

[quote="sheldibow"]`**Sorry but you have wrong information. Somalis are Arab and Arabs they do not hate us... on the other hand, I have to agree what Arabman said... that is Somalis have Arab culture which I think no other black muslim africans have ... if you look Nigerian or Senegalis muslim you will understand what I mean that Somalis has Arab culture since Somalians are origin Arabs, some one may say why we do not speak arabic ...90% of somalis speaks some arabic that indicate that somali is arab nation min asal wa fasal............[/quote]

You are stupid. No Somali is born speaking Arabic, not even the Arabs in Somalia never mind ethnic Somalis. Only very few would understand in the big towns if you spoke to them and almost none in the countryside and villages, so I don't know where you got the 90%. Black Africans are not a single group. Nigerians, Senegalese and Somalis will of course have different cultures. Somalis also don't have any sort of Arab culture, not from their national dress, language, folk dance or poetry. You can't be Somali and Arab at the same time, in order for a Somali to be an Arab he would have to leave the Somali language and culture and assimilate to the Arab one. And lastly Somali is an ethnic group with it's own language and culture just like Arab, that is what makes us a nation and if that didn't exist we wouldn't be Somali. For someone like yourself to actively and blindly want to be some thing that they are not it’s a sign of inferiority.

[zulaika]

xussyne,

we can disengage from the "arab" factor to a certian point but there are somethings that call for its use....like the language, we need it to learn arbic so that we can read and understand the quran.

[Xusseyn]

[quote="*Arabman"][Islam was forced on some people in certain times in history but that's not what I am talking about here. Those Muslims who haven't been Arabized are those who either cnverted into Islam later or were not part of the Arab Islamic empire. Again my topic is not about this. What I am saying Islam was born out of Arab society and culture, the holy book of Islam is written in Arabic, Muslims are mento pray in Arabic five times a day so there is a degree of Arabazation in Islam it's just a matter of to what extend.

Somalis who followed Wahabism before the civil war were tiny minority, but since the wars they have grown and became very influential people. Most of these people prefer their new Arab-Islamic customs that they had acquired to Somali customs. The schools they and other groups run inside Somalia are conducted in Arabic where you have children who can read and write Arabic but not their native Somali. This is some thing that I don’t like.]

Again, not so. Muslims conquered Persia at the time of the prophet (salallaahu calayhi wasalam) and Sahaba. The Persians haven't been Arabized as they still speak Farsi and retain their distinct culture, style, food, etc. In bilaad al-Maghrib, there are millions of Berbers who still speak their language and retain their distinct culture, style, food, etc.

The pillars of Islam (Shahada, Salat, Sawm, Zakat and Hajj) aren't Arab rituals, traditions, culture, etc as you have implied. Those are Islamic duties incumbent on every Muslim, instructed by Allah.

Somalis who followed Wahabism before the civil war weren't a tiny minority. In those days, the term Wahhabi wasn't popular. They were known as Ikhwaan, and thousands of them were incarcerated and tortured by the late administration.[/quote]

My topic here has nothing to do with this but I will answer you briefly. Persians managed to preserve their language from extinction much later after the Arab conquest. Berbers are minority in their own language and their language and culture have long been suppressed by Arabs.


The Hajj have been Arab ritual long before Islam or Mohammed was born. Wahabi/Akhwaan were very small not because of the government because people didn't want their strange believes and behaviour.