Imam Ahmed Gurey's clan is finally solved.

[Alluring]

^^^

LMAO!

[precious_dyme]

Ignorance is an unstable condition

[Alluring]

[quote="precious_dyme"]Ignorance is an unstable condition [/quote]

What does this mean, sounds like someone is trying VERY hard to sound "intelligent"

[Advocatar]

King sxb let this one go........you killed your whole argument with "said barre wrote it" line. Books were writen before he was even born. There's no-way you can deny factual evidence and the conquest of abbysenia was writen right beside our Imaam Axmed gurey by a yemeni author. I think you just want to believe what you have been told and is in indeed in denial mode. Your other arguement is flaw, people move around, there's Issaq clan called muse something in central somalia, mareexaan lived in sanaag as near as a 150 years ago, so did ogaadeen and now they deep in kenya.


let this one go mayn.

[Voltage]

Alluring ignorance IS an unstable condition. Do you disagree?

[Voltage]

[quote="Advocatar"]King sxb let this one go........you killed your whole argument with "said barre wrote it" line. Books were writen before he was even born. There's no-way you can deny factual evidence and the conquest of abbysenia was writen right beside our Imaam Axmed gurey by a yemeni author. I think you just want to believe what you have been told and is in indeed in denial mode. Your other arguement is flaw, people move around, there's Issaq clan called muse something in central somalia, mareexaan lived in sanaag as near as a 150 years ago, so did ogaadeen and now they deep in kenya.


let this one go mayn. [/quote]


Wallahi as soon as I read the "Siad wrote for his people" phrase I busted laughing, so predictable but so classic at the same time!

That is what you call denial at all costs.

[precious_dyme]

[quote="Alluring"][quote="precious_dyme"]Ignorance is an unstable condition [/quote]

What does this mean, sounds like someone is trying VERY hard to sound "intelligent"[/quote]

Nayaa i wasn't reffering it to you!

[King-of-Awdal]

Marexaan claiming a northern Sultanate next minute they will say Saylac is our city.

[Alluring]

Depends on what the uninformed statement is.

If she meant that your evidence is based on ignorance, and is unstable. She is wrong, since there are clear evidentiary sources.

But if she MEANT that the ignorance of individuals on here that you are debating with bring forth nonsense, then…. YES.

Ignorance is a condition based on instability.

[Voltage]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]Marexaan claiming a northern Sultanate next minute they will say Saylac is our city. [/quote]

Awdal give it a rest sxb. More than anything this proofs he was SOMALI, do you know how I felt when an Oromo tried to say to me he was Oromo? Marka this proofs without a shadow of a doubt he was Somali.

One small step for whatever clan, one giant leap for Somali histor.

[precious_dyme]

Alluring, naa forget bout it... its sooo clear u don't get the point so iska daaf.
These bunch of foolss ayaa isku category tihiin

[King-of-Awdal]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="King-of-Awdal"]Marexaan claiming a northern Sultanate next minute they will say Saylac is our city. [/quote]

Awdal give it a rest sxb. More than anything this proofs he was SOMALI, do you know how I felt when an Oromo tried to say to me he was Oromo? Marka this proofs without a shadow of a doubt he was Somali.

One small step for whatever clan, one giant leap for Somali histor. [/quote]


Your handle the oromo and i will handle the Anfar.

[Somaliweyn Commando]

marexaan ah

A marexaan who was born in saylac in the 1500's, are u bloody serious?

Axmed gurey was either Carab, ciise or gudabursi...more likely he was somali carab mix, end of!

[paidmonk]

@ EOMM

...for real though, Imam Ahmed was Afar, Arab, or Dir---possibly Geri Kombe. But only those groups.

[Warsame101]

A couple of notes. The Ifat sultanate was absorbed by the Adal Kingdom in the last quarter of the14th century. I have read somewhere earlier that someone claimed that Amir Nuur's jurisdiction was only confined to the capital city of the Harar Kingdom. This is completely false. Amir Nuur inherited the title and the kingdom from his uncle so it is incorrect to say that he only ruled the capital city and not the kingdom. Moreover, the centre of the Adal Kingdom was Harar and during that time, Harar was exchangeable with Adal.

Here is a map showing the Adal Kingdom. I have used a 18th century Map since I couldn't find a 16th century one:
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... ingNur.jpg

Secondly, the Christian Ethiopian Empire felt threathened by both these Imams that they developed a syndrome, refered to as the 'Gran syndrome'.

Ulrich Braukamper writes in Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia:

"The [holy war] (Jihad) which the leaders of the Muslim Adal federation, Ahmad Gran and Nur ibn Mujahid, waged against the Christian Habasa highlanders in the 16th century, threatened the very existence of the Ethiopian Empire."

Thirdly there is a reason why Amir Nuur suceeded his uncle.

Bethwell A. Ogot mentions the Amir's qualities that enabled the succession in 'Africa from the Sixteenth to the Eighteenth Century':

"Under the leadership of the Amir Nur ibn Mujahid, the brave and political gifted successor to Ahmad Gran, theAdal-Harar Muslims once more attempted to confront the Christian Empire."

Fourthly, King-of-Awdal, kiddo as I have already mentioned to you in the past, stop confusing the Awdal region with Adal Kingdom. Gadabursi were never part of the Imam's army nor are they mentioned in the Futuh al-Habasha so what makes you think that the Imam was miracously a Gadabursi?

Lastly, whilst Imam Ahmad Gurey and Imam Nuur ibn Mujahid are refered to as the First and Second Conquerer respectively, Imam Nuur has similiar achievements that puts him in parallel with his uncle.

Imam Ahmad Gurey ruled the Adal Kingdom for 16 years, Imam Nuur ruled it for 18 years. Imam Ahmad invaded the Christian Ethiopian Empire, ransacked it,expanded the Adal Kingdom and brought Islam to its inhabitants. Imam Nuur invaded Ethiopia, killed the Ethiopian Emperor who martyred Imam Ahmad, brought Islam to its inhabitants and was behind the modernsation and furhter expansion of the Adal Kingdom. This is why Imam Nuur is refered as the Patron of Harar.