Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

[Voltage]

Twisted_logic if I addressed every one of your points that had gaping holes the size of the ozone layer, I would probably dedicate an article to each and every one of your sentences. To make matters as clear as possible, however, you ARE one of the donkeys I am talking about who until as late as the last day of Gheedi's existence as Prime Minister was pro-TFG and supported Ethiopia. The forum knows you and so do I.

[X-unit]

Fellows don't waste ya breaths on these little kids....every single thing they say is rubbish...most of them can't understand why they had shattered childhood.... sad indeed sad....waryaa logic iyo Somaliweyn sxb yaal ciyaal buunsho ma iska dhaaftin

[Voltage]

[quote="X-unit"]Fellows don't waste ya breaths on these little kids....every single thing they say is rubbish...most of them can't understand why they had shattered childhood.... sad indeed sad....waryaa logic iyo Somaliweyn sxb yaal ciyaal buunsho ma iska dhaaftin [/quote]

What little kids and what shattered childhood? Between you and I, I was born in a Villa and left Mogadishu right before the real fighting and lived in Nairobi before coming to the U.S 16 years ago. Are you not the one who says he continued to stay in Mogadishu during the thickest of the fighting and told all of Somalinet how you hate Habar Gidir because they used to stop you in Xamar and ask for your clan during the Habar Gidir vs. Xawaadle war and after that halkaad aaday?

If you want to discredit people, wax macquul ah baa lagu discredit gareeyaa kid not wishful thinking.

[X-unit]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="X-unit"]Fellows don't waste ya breaths on these little kids....every single thing they say is rubbish...most of them can't understand why they had shattered childhood.... sad indeed sad....waryaa logic iyo Somaliweyn sxb yaal ciyaal buunsho ma iska dhaaftin [/quote]

What little kids and what shattered childhood? Between you and I, I was born in a Villa and left Mogadishu right before the real fighting and lived in Nairobi before coming to the U.S 16 years ago. Are you not the one who says he continued to stay in Mogadishu during the thickest of the fighting and told all of Somalinet how you hate Habar Gidir because they used to stop you in Xamar and ask for your clan during the Habar Gidir vs. Xawaadle war and after that halkaad aaday?

If you want to discredit people, wax macquul ah baa lagu discredit gareeyaa kid not wishful thinking.[/quote]

did anyone asked u where u were born..or what refugee camp u grew up...n yes i did say i had problems with habar gidir...ragu wow isdiriraan hadaneh wey hishiiyan...lakiin adhinka....xitaa nagaha ayaa niga fiican....n i didn't say i hate them...i just don't agree wit them...I lived in xamar during da wars...so? it just shows dat i got bigger balls than u...i was born in a villa n i run away after karabin laridhay....alla dadka aaqsanaa....n every foking doroo oo qaraar haayo keep mentioning my qabil...so wat if im hawaadle....war yaa house negros kaan ya naga ceshto....i just don't understand why some of u are pro-amxaaro....it is like ya worship them...kiss their hands n feet....relax guys...amxaaro ain't nothing...they pee on da corners in their city...they are one of the poorest ppl out of africa...

[Alchemist]

Wallahi this just proves that X-unit is a real man, he seen much more than you guys and is not here whining either.. Xawadle are known to be tough real dudes thats why people respect them.. But some of you Merahan kids need to stop crying, 17 years have passed move on god damned... Stop with all the Cuqdad..

[QansaGabeyle]

Wallahi some people here will soon develop hypertension. You take your shit too serious.

[Alchemist]

You feel that way only because a certain clan was mentioned

[Voltage]

[quote="X-unit"][quote="Voltage"][quote="X-unit"]Fellows don't waste ya breaths on these little kids....every single thing they say is rubbish...most of them can't understand why they had shattered childhood.... sad indeed sad....waryaa logic iyo Somaliweyn sxb yaal ciyaal buunsho ma iska dhaaftin [/quote]

What little kids and what shattered childhood? Between you and I, I was born in a Villa and left Mogadishu right before the real fighting and lived in Nairobi before coming to the U.S 16 years ago. Are you not the one who says he continued to stay in Mogadishu during the thickest of the fighting and told all of Somalinet how you hate Habar Gidir because they used to stop you in Xamar and ask for your clan during the Habar Gidir vs. Xawaadle war and after that halkaad aaday?

If you want to discredit people, wax macquul ah baa lagu discredit gareeyaa kid not wishful thinking.[/quote]

did anyone asked u where u were born..or what refugee camp u grew up...n yes i did say i had problems with habar gidir...ragu wow isdiriraan hadaneh wey hishiiyan...lakiin adhinka....xitaa nagaha ayaa niga fiican....n i didn't say i hate them...i just don't agree wit them...I lived in xamar during da wars...so? it just shows dat i got bigger balls than u...i was born in a villa n i run away after karabin laridhay....alla dadka aaqsanaa....n every foking doroo oo qaraar haayo keep mentioning my qabil...so wat if im hawaadle....war yaa house negros kaan ya naga ceshto....i just don't understand why some of u are pro-amxaaro....it is like ya worship them...kiss their hands n feet....relax guys...amxaaro ain't nothing...they pee on da corners in their city...they are one of the poorest ppl out of africa...[/quote]


Dude where the f are you coming from? It's like at every second you are trying to get validated or something? Does this thread destroy your wishful thinking of Hawiye vs. Darood on this issue since it shows that it is a Hawiye clan themselves that is CAUSE of Ethiopia being in Xamar and supports them there??

WtF are you are not Xawaadle? Isn't Beled-Weyne the only place in Somalia where Ethiopians are there and living in peace and sleeping with your girls?? Do you see Xabasha in Kismaayo or Gedo or anywhere Mareexaan lives? It takes real patriotism for me to rise since I am not threatened but you who they live with and shut down the city whenever they want and god knows what they do with your girls coming here everyday talking about "blah blah blah hawiye, blah blah blah darod". Dude you are neither so before opening your mouthing and talking about what does not concern you concentrate on your lands and people and when you fix up come back and try to talk to men, waxaanoo kale baa rabo inuu nala hadlo

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Voltage"]Twisted_logic if I addressed every one of your points that had gaping holes the size of the ozone layer, I would probably dedicate an article to each and every one of your sentences. To make matters as clear as possible, however, you ARE one of the donkeys I am talking about who until as late as the last day of Gheedi's existence as Prime Minister was pro-TFG and supported Ethiopia. The forum knows you and so do I. [/quote]

Step to the plate and give me the privilage to trash you for good then!

[Somaliweyn]

''To have diverging opinion with regards to politics is healthy and it is the mark of cultured people to have disagreements and debates; and the Mudulood defiantly get a point for that. ''

This is one of the hallmark of Mudulood spirit. Mudulood people are way sophisticated than other groups that reduce themselves to simpletons following individuals like herds.

Internal criticism is strenght. Mudulood people excell at this, hence why there are diverse groups representing diverse political philosophies who all engage in discussion as what road is the best for Somalia and the group.

This might look like disunity, but it is all surface. When it comes to the core of the group, namely the noble Mudulood name and for what it stands for, the whole group will stand as one block behind the identity.

This is what makes Mudulood people way ahead then simpletons, we defend a brandmark which has a long history. Individuals who hail from this group are not defended unanimously, since individuals and their present actions can not represent the group and its long history.

How is this in sharp contrast to the groupie-mentality of Southwestern group?

They all stand behind individuals, in this way they associate their group and for what it stands for to the actions of the individuals. This is why you see all Southwestern jumping at the mention of one warlord and his destructive actions. It seems like the unity of the group is based on individuals and their actions, which means superficial unity.

Only unity on the surface, with division running deep since they have no awareness of what their group's identity stands for without looking at individuals.

This also explains why Dawladsade and others, write long articles in which they want to make clear the connection between individuals actions and the brandmark that is Mudulood. Their whole way of thinking is geared to individuals=group...so they thought that Mudulood people would jump on their articles to defend the individuals mentioned in the article.

What has become apparent? Mudulood persons that responded to their ill-calculated PR offensive responded to defend the brandmark of Mudulood instead of the individuals which were the core of their PR-offensive. Thus effectively rendering their whole article as ineffective since there was a clash of mentality: Our source of group-feeling and unity which expresses itself in ideas and agreement on these, vs their source of group-feeling and unity which expresses itself in support to individuals and their actions.

How else can you explain Twisted-Logic and I that disagree politically can come together to defend Mudulood?

This Mudulood spirit and unity in the core instead at the surface is what stopped the warmachine of Aideed, while Gedo was crushed under beneath it and occupied for 8 months.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Dowladsade, The Frequently held misconception on Mogadisho's daily morass and carnage is disseminated by the clannish Hawiye websites. Sadly these sites service the huge Hawiye diaspora , particularly Habargidir who glean info of back home from these and seriously feed on without questioning their authenticity. It is they who are mostly affected and it is they who provide most of the financing and galvanize the unemployed kids and the ignorant women into a fervent brand of extremism. However, the reality is different in back home. It is the Hawiye themselves who are divided on the decision let Ethiopia remain in Somalia or remove them by force.

I am glad you diluted the thickness of the murky water.

[Voltage]

[quote="Ahmed-Gurey"]Dowladsade, The Frequently held misconception on Mogadisho's daily morass and carnage is disseminated by the clannish Hawiye websites. Sadly these sites service the huge Hawiye diaspora , particularly Habargidir who glean info of back home from these and seriously feed on without questioning their authenticity. It is they who are mostly affected and it is they who provide most of the financing and galvanize the unemployed kids and the ignorant women into a fervent brand of extremism. However, the reality is different in back home. It is the Hawiye themselves who are divided on the decision let Ethiopia remain in Somalia or remove them by force.

I am glad you diluted the thickness of the murky water.[/quote]


It is my pleasure Conqueror.

[shidow1]

Kids go do your homework..... and help your mom do the dishes....and finaly grow up and listens to your elders advice...

[Gedo_Boy]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]
This Mudulood spirit and unity in the core instead at the surface is what stopped the warmachine of Aideed, while Gedo was crushed under beneath it and occupied for 8 months.[/quote]


Here's Somaliweyn taking another pathetic cheapshot and showing his contempt for Reer Gedo.


Conveniently forget the fact that Caydiid's forces were decimated in Gedo and he was in hiding for months while avoiding capture and in fact it was HIS forces and leaders which were crushed.

During the initial chaos and confusion of the civil war, Caydiid capitalized on internal divisions and entered Gedo without a shot being fired. Your obsession with trying to discredit "Southwestern" legacy is such that you even forget the outcome of the war and the final consequences it had for Caydiid.

- Can Japan brag about crushing US military force in the Pacific for the first part of the war?

- Does Germany still brag about how it pushed the Red Army all the way back to Moscow for the first part of the war?


No, they don't because that is not how things ended. Caydiid lost 75-90% of his fighting force in Gedo and after losing that he lost the initiative and suffered defeat in Kismayo, Galkacyo.....even "Gedo" took part in helping Reer Hiiraan take Beledweyne from Caydiid...........

Gedo was Caydiid's Stalingrad and he regretted that he attacked it even trying to bribe Reer Gedo w/ Prime Minister positions after his eviction........why do you try to politically win over the people you "crushed" w/ Prime Minister positions?

...........So let's not talk about Gedo being crushed under Caydiid b/c it is Gedo that crushed Caydiid............and subsequently they hunted Caydiid all over Mudug, Jubboyinka, Hiiraan and Galgaduud.

P.S - Even though I am avoiding Qabiilist dialogues, there is an area outside of BeledXawo called "Lafa Hawiye" for all the masses of USC fighters that were killed there.

[Somaliweyn]

GB,

It is ironic how you conveniantly overlook how this whole topic was started, and who is taking the cheap shots and fabricating lies about particular groups.

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As for my comment, it is nothing but a historical fact. DS-Voltage accused Mudulood something in the lines of:'' been traitors...and having cuqdad for HG for 1991 affaires''

All I did in this topic was to counter by saying: show historical records of Mudulood been traitors, and by comparing the brave stand of Mudulood and the occupation of Gedo by Aideed.

Still my comment stands. Mudulood stopped the warmachine of Aideed without losing one inch of territory throughout the conflict....while Southwestern group could not withstand it and ended up under a bitter 8 months occupation.

There are no excuses for this contrast since Southwestern group were defeated by an already weakened HG (after the devastating 4 months war). Also, by this time Barre's remnants were well-organized and well-armed (Southafrican weapons) and ready to retake Mogadishu, only to end up in a bitter occupation and Barre's flight to Nigeria.

Isn't this what happened? So stop with this folklore of ''Gedo been stalingrad'' For 8 months Aideed was chilling in Baardheere while his militia were roaming in Gedo. He even formed his SNA alliance in Baardheere which he made his HQ, while SNF was ''reorganizing'' in the bushes and awaiting military assistance from Kenya.

So who has cuqdad for HG? The ones that stood against them and defeated their attempt of landexpansion or those witnessing a bitter 8 months occupation?


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DS/Voltage,

This is a new depth...coming with a different nickname (AxmedGurey) to back up yourself