The Rise of Worldwide Hoeism

[Shirib]

[quote="#1baller"][quote="Shirib


People from all religions do it but those who are more religous from all religions stay away from pre maritial sex. So educating people in religion will actually help as it will make them more god fearing.[/quote]

That is a good point made, however, the problem is if u try and brainwash any follower of any religion by telling them they will go to hell if they engage in pre-marital sex, they will stillsecretly do it behind your back. Its been proven time and again.[/quote]

People have free will and they will do it. In this era pre maritial sex is nothing in society. Its actually the thing to do. If people learn there religion and know how bad it is the number of people who are doing it will decrease dramatically.

[#1baller]

[quote="+chilli"]


Islam is actually the easy answer, want to know why? because it covers it, let me know if you want any prove.[/quote]

I agree wit u here Chilli., but here's tha thing. Islam covers it and so does Christianity and Catholicism and then why is it still occurring if followers of each religion are aware of it in the holy books?

People do what they feel like when they feel like... that's the point im trynna drive home here. Religion obviously doesn't affect their thought process. Of course I'm welcome to your sideof things too.

[#1baller]

[quote="Gifted"]


"Then they never had faith to begin with"

I'll say it again it has nothing to do wit religion. Its not that they didn't have faith. They made a choice to do what they wanted to.

How many of us here can honestly say that we live a perfectly religious life in this world?

[Gedo_Boy]

#1baller,

Yeah it happens, but in Islamic societies it happens less b/c it's still considered a shame. Among the people who are genuinely religious they wouldn't do it.

But even among the ones that are not religious, peer pressure would do a lot to stop them just like peer pressure would make someone do drugs or not do drugs.

Islam is more tied to the original belief system than Christianity is.

[#1baller]

[quote="Shirib"]

'People have free will and they will do it. In this era pre maritial sex is nothing in society. Its actually the thing to do. If people learn there religion and know how bad it is the number of people who are doing it will decrease dramatically."

No disrespect but i think you are speculating here. Yes people will do as they please in society but to assume that learning their religion will decrease pre-marital sex or infidelity is purely speculative.

There is no evidence that supports that notion. What is evident is that educating people about pre-marital sex and the dangers associated with it will help in people making better informed decisions which will lead to decrease in the need for it.

[#1baller]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]



"Yeah it happens, but in Islamic societies it happens less b/c it's still considered a shame. Among the people who are genuinely religious they wouldn't do it."

It is also considered shame in some sects of Christianity. The problem with Islamic societies is that people are not as open about it which is even worse because it encourages some followers to lie and commit the sin unbeknownst to man not God. Do you see my point? Not only do you do it, you also lie about doing it for fear of scolding and shame?


"But even among the ones that are not religious, peer pressure would do a lot to stop them just like peer pressure would make someone do drugs or not do drugs."

That isn't proven and again very speculative. I'm not muslim and I know more muslims that smoke hard drugs than anything else. Where is peer pressure stopping them there? Don't get me wrong I'm not attacking religious god fearing muslims but like some christians there are no differences.


"Islam is more tied to the original belief system than Christianity is."

And this statement is based on what? are you versed on the teachings of Catholicism and all sects of Christianity. Many devout Christians feel the same way that devout muslims do about what is right and what is wrong.

[Gedo_Boy]

that's exactly my point! the peer pressure making those Muslims you mention do hard drugs.

I know some about Christianity I used to go to Catholic school & have been around it all my life. The Islamic viewpoint on adultery & fornication is FAR clearer than most Christian sects.

As for committing a sin that people aren't aware of, that doesn't mean you are a hypocrite and Islam is clearly aware of that.

The Prophet said: "God will forgive the sins of the people who commit a sin but don't openly expose themselves"

It still is a sin, but all humans commit sins and if you do it then that doesn't mean you have to openly proclaim it because it was a moment of weakness, you repent and try not to do it again.

[Voltage]

Sex sells my nigga

[Gedo_Boy]

Especially to horny single youth.

[#1baller]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]

"that's exactly my point! the peer pressure making those Muslims you mention do hard drugs."

bra, you used this example to state that some muslims will not engage in it due to peer pressure of islamic societies. I just gave you an example of why that notion had holes in it, and now you change your story?

"I know some about Christianity I used to go to Catholic school & have been around it all my life. The Islamic viewpoint on adultery & fornication is FAR clearer than most Christian sects."

I'll educate you here. Catholicism and Christianity are very different in alot of ways. There are many variants involved. Don't based your knowledge on Catholicism with Christianity. I can go into more detail but I won't do that right now as we'll be here for a long time.

Suffice to say, in Catholicism, The ten Commandments given to Moses in the old testament clearly states that having sex before marriage and/or adultery is a sin. It is written in stone. How much more serious can ya get?

"As for committing a sin that people aren't aware of, that doesn't mean you are a hypocrite and Islam is clearly aware of that."

What about the ones you are aware of yet yet you still do it? What do you call that? some Christians do it, Catholics do it and am pretty sure some muslims do as well.


"The Prophet said: "God will forgive the sins of the people who commit a sin but don't openly expose themselves"

Isn't a sin committed by follower a sin regardless of whether its open or not?

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"It still is a sin, but all humans commit sins and if you do it then that doesn't mean you have to openly proclaim it because it was a moment of weakness, you repent and try not to do it again."

I don't think anyone devout openly admits to sin do you? My point was in some islamic societies a person can suffer cruelty due to another man for doing wrong. Should God be the judge of that man or sinner.

There's a quote in the Catholic bible that states "who soever is without sin on earth, cast the first stone"

[Gedo_Boy]

"bra, you used this example to state that some muslims will not engage in it due to peer pressure of islamic societies. I just gave you an example of why that notion had holes in it, and now you change your story?"

no I meant in predominantly Muslim countries where drugs is a sin or illegal. Here, the peer pressure works the other way b/c the environment is not a Muslim environement it's an environment encouraging drugs & sex.


"Isn't a sin committed by follower a sin regardless of whether its open or not?"

No, they're not the same because doing it openly encourages and facilitates others doing it whereas if you do something you are ashamed of but conceal it then it is still a sin but at least you are not encouraging other people to follow suit. Again the peer pressure thing.

Don't you think things like open access to pornography corrupt people's minds? That is an example of doing sins publicly and promoting it and you can see how damaging it is to a lot of people.

[#1baller]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]

"no I meant in predominantly Muslim countries where drugs is a sin or illegal. Here, the peer pressure works the other way b/c the environment is not a Muslim environement it's an environment encouraging drugs & sex."

Are you saying that because drugs is llegal in Muslim nations it doesn't exist in any of those places? Bra,...newsflash, hard drugs is illegal in most places in the world whether Muslim or not but it is still there isn't it?

This environment doesn't encourage it as openly as you think. It is still illegal here and hasn't been been decriminalised last time i checked state laws unless you know something I don't. The usage of hard drugs is down to personal choice and certain environments. I'm sure the same thing occurs in Middleastern and muslim states. Don't places like yemen and other muslim states have sex slaves and prostitutes too?


"No, they're not the same because doing it openly encourages and facilitates others doing it whereas if you do something you are ashamed of but conceal it then it is still a sin but at least you are not encouraging other people to follow suit. Again the peer pressure thing."

And what if you continue doing it privately while lieing to others having them falsely believe u are devout. Does that make it any better in the eyes of God? Do you honestly think it does? Not devout person Muslim or Christian will have pre-marital sex in public.


"Don't you think things like open access to pornography corrupt people's minds? That is an example of doing sins publicly and promoting it and you can see how damaging it is to a lot of people."

Of course it does, but it ain't like it is being broadcast on the Nasdaq tower in Timesq NY now is it? People in a controlled society will do things behind closed doors secretly moreso than people who live in a free society. And even in a free society we have laws than mankind has to follow, and having sex in a public is one of 'em.

I think this converstaion has to do wit people's cultural traditions more than religion if anything else. Why don't we just agree to disagree on this one.

[Gedo_Boy]

#1baller,

Not a bad idea to agree to disagree, but you seem to be saying: "If you're sinning, might as well do it openly otherwise you're a hypocrite"

I'm not saying be judgmental on other people, but openly promoting sin is wrong.

[Algebra]

Couldn't you use nicer word than this title? Anyhow, sexually active youth I blame the parents but when they are adult I blame the girl or the guy. Every one in some stage they have choice to change their life or correct it when they reach a certain age.

Don't tell me you can teach a 15 years old mannars. If you didn't teach them already it's too late to teach them when they already teen.

[#1baller]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]


"Not a bad idea to agree to disagree, but you seem to be saying: "If you're sinning, might as well do it openly otherwise you're a hypocrite"

Naww not sayin that bra. I think sinning is bad whether you do it openly or not. The point is we're all human beings and should aspire to live godfearing lives regardless of our religious denominsations but I will be the first one to say I ain't perfect.

I have a son outside of marriage and morally it is wrong especially because of my strong cultural background but I just get on wit it, and wouldn't make that mistake again. I wouldn't scold or chastiise someone who made a similar mistake, I'd just tell them that maybe next time you do it the other way round.


"I'm not saying be judgmental on other people, but openly promoting sin is wrong."[/quote]

I agree wit that. The problem is people get blindsided by traditional beliefs and will not see it that way.