This makes my heart Sing!

[MJ-Pride]

Paimonk and Costa are putting me to shame as far as Hutu hate goes. I used to be like this, but actually I am sympathetic now because honestly I shitloads of nice Hawiye people

[paidmonk]

you want to compare Morgan and Riyaale, no comparison.Once victims are in the thousands, he bombed a whole city the other was a minor snitch.
Majerteen should be slaughterd for Morgans war crimes, just like you want the people of xamer to pay for the crimes of their leaders.

No, the damage has already been done. Morgan killed 3,000 MJs between 1978 and 1988. If that's not enough, then you are out of your mind. If you don't know much about Somali history, you'd know that Morgan fought in the name of Siad & Somalia, not in the name of Majerteen. In Xamar, he used to bulldoze the houses of MJ families to prove he wasn't loyal to his clan. Even Hasan Abshir, the MJ mayor of Xamar used to harass MJ civilians to prove he wasn't loyal to qabil. Your analogy of Morgan = MJ is completely absurd.


TO ADD: I really don't have anything against the Hutu nation. In fact I've never met one since I don't usually ask for people's clan affiliation and the fact that I don't even speak to Somalis often. I go by history and the irony that it casts on some people. You can't enjoy the fruits of war (Aidid's conquests) on one hand and on the other you can't cry about injustice. I actually think that this is karma. An entire nation of people who built their enterprises on stolen money (from Xamar to Marka and even Abdiqassim's government) are now putting on a show that they are hardworking individuals. Come on now, we don't have to lie here. It took them 16 years to rebel against their brutal yet beloved isbaaro kings and in quiet little Puntland, there are Islamic uprisings every 5 years (Al Itihaad to Islamic Courts to recent events).

Hutus must be finished.

[Shirib]

The actions in Xamar then weren't right then and they aren't right now.

I had 2 houses in Xamar, one in Yaaqshiid and one in Boondheere, currently I have none, both taken by Abgaal.

But when we were getting our house taken in Yaaqshiid by Abgaal it was Abgaal people who were trying to stop them and saved our lives.

A Habar Gedir guy put a gun to my dads head and was about to kill him and it was another Habar Gedir guy who stopped him from shooting.

Not all Hawiye were commiting those atrocities, its easy to focus on the ones who did but for everyone who did that how many didn't, and how many were helping others.

Qabiil this and qabiil that, and the cycle of revenge won't help a thing.

Our neighbor still lives in Boondheere. Her father and 3 brothers were all killed when a mortar landed in there house, and she has her sick mother to take care of, and is unmarried. She has no family outside the country and only survives off the money we send her every month.

[Shirib]

you want to compare Morgan and Riyaale, no comparison.Once victims are in the thousands, he bombed a whole city the other was a minor snitch.
Majerteen should be slaughterd for Morgans war crimes, just like you want the people of xamer to pay for the crimes of their leaders.

No, the damage has already been done. Morgan killed 3,000 MJs between 1978 and 1988. If that's not enough, then you are out of your mind. If you don't know much about Somali history, you'd know that Morgan fought in the name of Siad & Somalia, not in the name of Majerteen. In Xamar, he used to bulldoze the houses of MJ families to prove he wasn't to his clan. Even Hasan Abshir, the MJ mayor of Xamar used to harass MJ civilians to prove he wasn't loyal to qabil. Your analogy of Morgan = MJ is completely absurd.


TO ADD: I really don't have anything against the Hutu nation. In fact I've never met one since I don't usually ask for people's clan affiliation and the fact that I don't even speak to Somalis often. I go by history and the irony that it casts on some people. You can't enjoy the fruits of war (Aidid's conquests) and on the other you can't cry about injustice. I actually think that this is karma. An entire nation of people who built their enterprises on stolen money (from Xamar to Marka and even Abdiqassim's government) are now putting on a show that they are hardworking individuals. Come on now, we don't have to lie here. It took them 16 years to rebel against their brutal yet beloved isbaaro kings and in quiet little Puntland, there are Islamic uprisings every 5 years (Al Itihaad to Islamic Courts to recent events).

Hutus must be finished.

There were Islamic movements in Muqdisho in the 90's they just didn't have the strenght to fight off the warlords.

The parts of Muqdisho that did see growth or development were done by wadaado and it didn't just pop up in 2006 either.

These guys been around for a while, but they couldn't fight with heavy armed 101 warlords.

[paidmonk]

Shirib,

I know that there are good Hawiye among the bad. I just think that their extermination would be much more of a good thing than a bad thing. Its like a tree that grows in the middle of the road - on one hand it cleans the air and brings color to the street, but it is also an obstacle for the entire community, so it is best to remove this tree and move forward.

And plus, I'm not advocating that Somalis continue killing each other. Why do you think I praise ETHIOPIANS for cleaning up Xamar. Its their hard work and labor that makes Xamar (at least the South) nearly untouchable by thugs. Even though, I still hope that they unleash shells into the southern part too. Once the Hutu death toll reaches 10,000 I will get a tattoo of Ethiopia on my chest. I swear.

[Shirib]

Shirib,

I know that there are good Hawiye among the bad. I just think that their extermination would be much more of a good thing than a bad thing. Its like a tree that grows in the middle of the road - on one hand it cleans the air and brings color to the street, but it is also an obstacle for the entire community, so it is best to remove this tree and move forward.

And plus, I'm not advocating that Somalis continue killing each other. Why do you think I praise ETHIOPIANS for cleaning up Xamar. Its their hard work and labor that makes Xamar (at least the South) nearly untouchable by thugs. Even though, I still hope that they unleash shells into the southern part too. Once the Hutu death toll reaches 10,000 I will get a tattoo of Ethiopia on my chest. I swear.

I don't get u.

I don't even know if ur being serious or not

[Tolstoy]

Paidmonk-you joyfully celebrate the massacre of innocent civilians including many non-hawiye people, while the real culprits who harmed daarood are in the TFG. men like Qeybdiid and M'xed dheere were top lituenents in the USC and are behind many massacres against daarood and others, more so than mothers & kids, religious men who are getting their throats slit in mosques.

did you know that Qeybdiid was Aideed's 1st military strategist? did you know that he was in Kismayo in 1991 when daarood lost the city? if Abdullahi Yusuf is serious about giving hawiye some payback, why doesn't he start with known hawiye mass murderers?

get your shyt together kid, you sound like a brainwashed fool.

[paidmonk]

tolstoy, re-read this topic twice.

I hate the TFG and always have and I also hate Puntland/SSDF leaders, but I still support the Ethiopian karma-bringers.

[GENERAL_SNM]

So let me get this straight, according to you Morgan's actions against civillians in Hargiesa should not be blamed on Majerteens, because he was against majerteen interests in general, and to prove this he killed many Majerteen civillians.He was not your man back then but employed by the state/marexaans.But the hawyie civillians should suffer because you were evicted from xammer and they carried on with their lifes.You feel that the women and children who were forced to live with those madmen in a state of choas and mayhem should pay for the actions of men outside their control.

Ps your qabil is to weak and gutless to seek revenge against those who have made you suffer.If you had taken revenge against them by yourself fair enough, but to beg ethoipians our oldest enemy to come and do the job that you can't do and then rejoice at the suffering of innocent Muslim women and children, is the behavior of Cowards.
The people the ethoipians are killing are rightouse people, women children and waddads who would not wish harm on anybody.Whilst the people who made you homeless have just uniform to protect themselves.

[PINK_BUNNY]

Paidmonk-you joyfully celebrate the massacre of innocent civilians including many non-hawiye people, while the real culprits who harmed daarood are in the TFG. men like Qeybdiid and M'xed dheere were top lituenents in the USC and are behind many massacres against daarood and others, more so than mothers & kids, religious men who are getting their throats slit in mosques.

did you know that Qeybdiid was Aideed's 1st military strategist? did you know that he was in Kismayo in 1991 when daarood lost the city? if Abdullahi Yusuf is serious about giving hawiye some payback, why doesn't he start with known hawiye mass murderers?

get your shyt together kid, you sound like a brainwashed fool.

What insight......Our gov. is made up of the warlords who destroyed Somalia? .....SAD!!

[paidmonk]

General SNM,

Correct, Morgan was fighting for Somalia not his clan.

And those innocent people "forced" to live in Xamar among warlords were actually BROUGHT to Xamar by those warlords. How can they pretend to everyone that they are biting the very hand (warlords) that fed them for so long.

And you are correct, Majerteen/Puntland are too weak to attack Hawiye and they don't. It is I, paidmonk, who is dreaming of Hutu deaths. What does my fantasy have to do with my clan -- here you are again with your collective-clan mentality. I am an individual who wants Hutus erased and for Somalia to prosper again. Good Hutu or Bad Hutu, it is a Hutu. And I am not alone.

Does Costa's anti-Hutu sentiment have anything to do with the whole Mehri clan? NO!

We both know that Somalia didn't move an inch for 17 years because the capital, OUR capital, Somaliweyn's capital, was occupied by a single clan for those years and they kept the entire Somali people on their knees for so long.

Long love ZENAWI!!

[Cisse Westlake]

GENERAL_SNM

somaliweyne is dead niyoow, why are u still crying it for

[GENERAL_SNM]

Morgan was fighting for Darodnimo and your qabils short sightedness won't allow you to see this simple fact.Your qabil were to ignorant to understand this hence why you became food for the wolfs in xammer.Lets conclude this debate if Morgan has blood on his hands that doesn't mean majerteens should share the blame, and the past actions of those now in the TFG, should not be blamed on the Hawiye women and children now being killed because they areproud believers in Somali unity and independence from outsiders.

[Young Wadani *]

What happened to Somalia?
What have you Faqashs, Qaldans and Mooryaans done to Dhulka Hooyo?

This happened, you fools picked man made laws and Qabayalad over the Divine Law i.e, Shariica law


And what's worse you all youngsters who preach clan hatred and idealogy


The Motherland is crying because her children have betryed her in her hour of need

Somalia has no friend or relative but vultures and hyenas

[PINK_BUNNY]

LOL...Its ninyahow. Anyways all this time I thought Shirib was exaggerating but it's true, I guess I just didn't wanna believe. Aideeds men are our leaders....A/Y is even dumber than I thought. How can he sit round wid ppl that drank ppls blood? There really is no diff. b/t the ICU and TGF now....Both are run by warlords!!