Neo Salafis on Bilal Philips

[The_Patriot]

You have "Kalimatul Xaq yuriidu bihaa baatil!"

Dude learnin few Arabic does not make you look more knowledgebale.

In reality I do not speak to Takfiriis, I don't give them Salaam, I do not associate my self with them. Due to their hunger to spill Muslim bloods by means of revolting rulers and to reach their selfish will to seize power. (unless they repent)

S o I am a Takfiri? What do you understand by spilling the blood of muslims ? is it just Saudi blood being hollier?
Wasnt the Saudi govt part of the outsting of Sadam(Saudi was among the launching pad for Iraqi invasion)? that led to the 1 million loss of life in Iraq. Isnt Sadam according to you not a leader? mind you Iraq 's population is more than Saudi.

So please enough with your crocodile tears.


[quoteSo before you come out here do a little research and I'll be kind to point out few areas you can brows:

Books; Ibnukathir - Tafsiir
Umuhatu sita : books of ahadith / with interpretations of Salafi scholars
Ibnutaymiyyahs Aqiidah books
Dhaxawi's Aqiida book
Usuuluthalaatha by Sh. M Abdulwahab.

Recent scholars; ( Binbaz, Utheimeen, Al-bani, Muqbil ) Rahimuhulah and ....

Dude are this the only books in your Library?
Then what you need to do is to read more from a learned scholar NB not an amatuer revert or exconvict.

[Kolombo]

Here's the Grand Mufti's position on the Madkhalis/"Salafis":

[Salahuddiin]

Salafis in this site don't reply to "takfiris" because they simply can't.

What is really funny is that they quote names of the culama without even knowing what they think about the issue. Ibn Kathir made takfir to the one who rules with something else than sharica. They were living that time when Mongols who said they were muslims chose another law over sharica. I suggest reading his tafsir and al Bidaya wa al Nihaya.

Also it's funny how they use the name of Shaikh Muhammad ibn AbdulWahhab and dawa of Najd, when everybody who read even one book from him or his followers knows what was their hukm on a person who rules with something else than sharica or allies with kuffar. Just read al Durrar al Saniya. More recent writings from the subject can be found from the risala of Muhammad Ibrahim, former takfiri mufti of Saudi-Arabia and teacher of Ibn Baz.

Also Ibn Uthaymin made takfir to who rules with something else than sharica. Just read his explanation of Usul al Thalatha and explanation of Kitab at Tawhid (Qawl al mufiid cala Kitab at Tawxid). He wrote that person who rules with something else than sharica also must have believe that it's better than sharica, because otherwise he wouldn't do it.

And then the other issue, having alliance with kuffar and helping them. Ibn Baz said that scholars have consensus that whoever assists the kuffar against muslims is a kafir like them.

I challenge anyone to prove that helping kuffar against muslims and having alliance with them is not kufr. And this is EXACTLY 100% what every government in Islamic countries is doing.

Wallahi these people can't defend their opinions.

[salafi_student]

^^^

Subxanalah; They (Somalis) literally burned down their country to grounds level and now they seeking to burn the holy cities. What an evil thought!


As it was said " to sit with a donkey is better than sitting with a deviant" i.e Takfiris.

So I'm out

[Kolombo]

Salahudin,

I see them quoting Sh. Albaani & Uthaymeen as their own, choosing to forget that Sh. Albaani issued fatwas condemining the Madkhalis for their support of the Iraq war in '91. Sh. Albaani was later expelled from Saudi Arabia because of his opposition to allow America to land in Saudi Arabia & launch attacks against Iraq, something the Madkhalis approved of.

Subxanalah; They (Somalis) literally burned down their country to grounds level and now they seeking to burn the holy cities. What an evil thought!

Your propaganda doesn't fly here, take it somewhere else, ninyahow.

[American-Suufi]

In the Name of the Most High
Salamu 3alaykum All Muslims
The problem with us is even in Ramadan we spend and all of our lives arguing over trivial things, making fun of our adversaries, mocking our Muslim brothers and sisters who follow other madhabs. Why dont we just agree to disagree, love and respect others who follow other Tariqs? Why not celebrate our diversity and richness of Islam? The teachings of Islam lay down the foundations of a social system that purports to unite humanity in one social fabric irrespective of race, national or tribal origin and color. We know that this social system includes in itself all the checks and balances to serve the needs of the society at large and makes humans more civilized. Unfortunately, given the examples above of the split of salafis into salafi and neo salafi and their accusations and counter accusations of each other, signifies the situation we are in today that Muslim Ummah at odds with itself at all levels.

[American-Suufi]

Ramadan
Fasting during Ramadan is one of the 5 Pillars of Islam, those pillars are
1) Testifying that there is no God but Allah SWT
2) Praying
3) Fasting during the Holy month of Ramadan
4) Giving Zakah annualy Muslims are obliged to give %2.5 worth of everything they own to the poor and needy. like Somalis in Somalia
5) Making Hajj pilgrimage to Makkah once

[American-Suufi]

Ramadan is the best of the months of the years. The Quran was revealed in it as stated in the Quran. Also the rewards are greatly multiplied in Ramadan if the intention is sincere. The gates of Paradise, Jannah are open, the gates of Hell, Jahannam are closed, and the Shayatin are tied up as the Prophet s.a.w told us.

[American-Suufi]

Also the fasting of Ramadan can wipe out all the wrong doings committed before if we avoid the great ones, Kaba'ir that need repentance, Tawbah. Qiam, praying at night in the month of Ramadan can also wipe out all the wrong doings committed before if the great ones are avoided.

[American-Suufi]

This does not mean than we cannot do wrong in Ramadan because Shaitan is tied up, people can make the job of Shaitan much easier by coming to him rather than he comes to them. There are so many Hadiths that talk about reward in Ramadan, just to quote some, the Prophet s.a.w. said, Whoever fasted Ramadan out of belief in it and sincerely seeking the reward from Allah, all his past wrong doings will be forgiven.

[American-Suufi]

He also said, Whoever prayed Qiam throughout Ramadan, all his past wrong doings will be forgiven. It is a good idea to pay Zakah of assets during this month since the reward will be multiplied Insha'Allah. Ameen

[American-Suufi]

Concentrate all your strengths and time this blessed month to unite all Somalis to help our Somali brothers and sister starving in Somalia instead of finger pointing or fighting against each other. Ramadan is a gift from Allah SWT to all the Muslims to help each other especially our Muslim brothers and sisters who are in dire need like Somalis in Somalia, slow the pace down, reflect and have a month long spiritual retreat. During the blessed month of Ramadan let us leave all judgements to Allah SWT.

May Allah make it a blessed month for you all
Ameen

[American-Suufi]

Sorry for the short installments, it says error, as some can post chapters and chapters of irrelvant stories in Somalinet and others can't post 2 or 3 chapters of Muslim solidarity and Ramadan.

Ramadan kariim all.

[Salahuddiin]

[quote="salafi_student"]^^^

Subxanalah; They (Somalis) literally burned down their country to grounds level and now they seeking to burn the holy cities. What an evil thought!


As it was said " to sit with a donkey is better than sitting with a deviant" i.e Takfiris.

So I'm out [/quote]

Yes this is all you can say. I'm really starting to think that you and your brain-twin American Salafi are just kids with strong faith to something that they heard in the masjid from local preacher and then just parroting around that same sentence. If you really studied the issue you would have dalil backing your beliefs up but until this point you have shown none. It's only one-line slogans and calling muslims deviants and other bad names and then you run when someone answers or wants to know the dalil for what you're saying. Either this is serious immaturity or then just complete inability to defend your beliefs or both. How many topics have you or your counterpart (I mix you two up) called some group a khawarij and when I ask why it's a khawarij group you just run away just in order to write the same accusation in another thread and again when questioned about it, no answer or dalil.

Now what part of my previous post was so crazy that you had to scream out SubhanAllah!? I wrote only facts and it's really easy to check and very easy to refute me if I wrote something uncorrect. If you don't believe what I wrote about Ibn Uthaymin, I can find the exact page for you or even quote his words here if you want, I own the books mentioned. I'm starting to see that you haven't read the books yourself that you tell people to read. Read Kitab al Tawhid and Usul al Thalatha and what is the definition of Taghut by shaikh ibn AbdulWahhab.

Ibn Baz narrated the consensus of the scholars that the one who helps kuffar against muslims becomes kaafir like them, and this can be found from Majmuc al Fatawa Ibn Baz. I don't own that collection, but I can get you exact page and quote if you want. Also Ibn Hazm wrote about this subject that no two muslims can differ about this issue.

Former mufti of Jaziratul Carab and teacher of Ibn Baz, shaikh Muhammad ibn Ibrahim Aal al Shaikh wrote a book about the subject of ruling with the law of Allah. What is funny that it was written because someone from the government asked him to write about this subject. How the times have changed when now the book can't be found anywhere inside the country and is probably banned. Fisabililah gave the link to the book in another discussion, if you know arabic you should go and read it: http://saaid.net/book/open.php?cat=1&book=550

I really recommend you to get all the books you can find from the real generation of the Salaf and read and study as much as you can, and not just listening the words of people calling themselves salafis.

Salaf are free from neosalafis like Ali is free from the shica.

[Salahuddiin]

[quote="Kolombo"]Salahudin,

I see them quoting Sh. Albaani & Uthaymeen as their own, choosing to forget that Sh. Albaani issued fatwas condemining the Madkhalis for their support of the Iraq war in '91. Sh. Albaani was later expelled from Saudi Arabia because of his opposition to allow America to land in Saudi Arabia & launch attacks against Iraq, something the Madkhalis approved of.

[quote]Subxanalah; They (Somalis) literally burned down their country to grounds level and now they seeking to burn the holy cities. What an evil thought![/quote]

Your propaganda doesn't fly here, take it somewhere else, ninyahow.[/quote]

Yes, what is real funny is that many Madakhil quote culama and claim to follow them, even when his claims could be easily refuted by using only the texts written by this particular scholar. Especially when they speak about Ibn Taymiya or scholars of Najd.