Beesha Sade on Snet..WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE K SITUATION

[sadeboi]

Murax, I agree with what you said in the last post, lakiin what I don't agree or don't understand is are you trying to say that the battle was a jihad in the view of the wadaado in Kismayo? Because if you are your mistaken walaal. Nor did those Marexaan wadaado want to gain power or anything of that sort. It happened because of cleaning up isbaaro in the city, which they have been doing soon, before a group of guys refused to take their isbaaro away. Regardless, illahay beesha SADE iyo dhamaan ummada Somaaliyeed ha isku keenyo, aamiin.

Xoogsade, I don't think I said anything that would break my fast, and I'm trying to help ilmo adeeradey from doing that to. And if I did say anything illahay haa iga cafiyo.

Anyway ina adeer ramadan kariim.

Warsame, Barre waa qab-qable qabiil, and his reign in power was for the [betterment] of his qabiil and it was carried in the qabil fashion that all Somalis did by. I'm not say he is no less of a religious guy, nor I'm I saying that the wadaado are absolute good Muslim men and will lead correctly. Only time will tell, if they are good Muslim men who want to govern accordingly, I support them. And Barre was in the wrong this time for his attacks.

Sadeboi, do you still support Ina Xaaji Massalle? Your hypocrisy is too much man.

I supported, and will do so again, the actions that Barre Hiiraale took in 2006, and the actions that Xaji Massale took. The events are not the same. And if I see indhacade or xasan turki or there men at the top of the wadaado hierarchy in Kismayo, and if there is a clear sign of men using the religion to kill, attack, and humiliate Marexaan and the lives of Marexaans are threatened, then I will support Barre once more. Lakiin, this scenario is different. And I wish to wait a little longer before I fully support the wadaado, lakiin I know in laga gardarna. All my close relatives, be it reer-siyaad, haber-ciise, wagerdhac died on Barres side. I wish none of this would happen, and if it didn't those wadaado would have just stayed in the city like they have been and left the maamul up to the Marexaan elders and different factions. Lakiin, tan gedo ka dhacdey iyo kismaayo in 2006 waa qalad. Also, waxey wiilsha isku sheego al-shabab oo Barre dhexda uu galley, baardheere ne ka hor istaagey waa qalad, and if there was a battle that happened in Baardheere, I would supported Barre because he is at the right, maxey ka rabbaan? MA GAAL BA? NO! MA XABASHO IN UU GUMEYSTO BU RABBA? WAA MAYA. Lakiin, all I am saying is, the wadaado are at the right in Kismayo, if they fail to uphold what they said they will do, then I will not support them.


Warsame, you are correct people should act like this all the time, lakiin in ramadan one should try a whole lot harder to abstain from such actions/thoughts and so forth.

Ina adeer, they did not do that, dad ba rebeyn in eey ku kacaan waxaas, and shiekha reer-ahmed (I forgot his name) said dagaalkaan jihad ma heyn, qof kasto waa in isku si loo dhugo and they did, dhamaan jamacee ba ku tukadeen.


Murax, ma suufi baad tahay?

[QansaGabeyle]

And I wish to wait a little longer before I fully support the wadaado, lakiin I know in laga gardarna.

Why do you say waa laga gardaranyahay? They have invaded a peaceful city did they not or do you really believe they reacted to aggression towards them from marexaan militia? Believing that is like believing Ethiopia decided to occupy Somalia in reaction to threats from Yusuf Indhacade.

[sadeboi]

They have invaded a peaceful city did thehttp://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=179311
Beesha Sade on Snet..WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE K SITUATIONy not or do you really believe they reacted to aggression towards them from marexaan militia?

The difference in our outlook of the situation is due to our difference of "FACTS." The battle that ragged for the first two day was not between an invading army and Marexaan, it was between Marexaan wadaado in the city and Barre's camp, the battle happened and it wasn't something pre-thought out by both sides, the wadaado wanted to take an isbaaro away and the militia there said no we won't leave, other events happened such as the hand grenade being thrown at the wadaado in a car, then Barre and his militia went an opened fire on them and the battle raged on from there. The wadaado were weaken the first day, then the second some other Marexaan wadaado who weren't far away joined--- this was the reason why al-shabab members were all quite about it on BBC, because they wanted it to work out for them, if the wadaado won they would share the pie, if they lost they would say oh we weren't engaged-- then they still got beaten up by Barre's men, the third is when all these religious claiming groups came into the city to 'help' the wadaado.

Hence, why I said its not the 2006 or Gedo wars. If that was the case, my full support would have been behind Barre.

[Shankaroon_614]

War iyo iska hadal waa laga roon yahay!!!

[Voltage]

I think what Murax and Qansa still don't understand is that Kismaayo was not "attacked" nor was the battle that happened "pre-planned" by Al Shabaab or any other Islamist group...hence why Sade and I continued to deny Al Shabaab involvement until the events of the last and third day became known and the news carried AL Shabaab victory in Kismaayo.

Murax and Qansa about time I thought you would get the full story but what happened in Kismaayo is as Sadeboi and I said...and inter-Mareexaan fight in origins and scale.

I don't want to go back to history and talk about what happened but it is time you understand why Warsame is saying "since Mareexaans rallied themselves against Barre" and threatening the region and city with what I presume is Ethiopian military subjugation directed even towards Mareexaan themselves. [Warsame if this is not what you meant though I am sure it is, iga cafi].

Like we have been saying from the first day, Mareexaan wadaado who wanted to take isbaaros were attacked...by Barre's camp. This is why the fighting took place. The fighting was Mareexaan on Mareexaan for the first two days...exactly as Sade and I were saying.

It is amazing how non-Mareexaans are more informed then many of the Mareexaans here.

I just got done reading through the General section archives dealing with the Kismaayo event and I sat there amazed how accurately Koronto/Kolombo was describing the situation in Kismaayo better then any of the Mareexaans in this forum.

This fight was strictly a Mareexaan fight...until the third day when the other Islamists came to support their Islamist brothers who called on them to help them.

Since then the city is peaceful, shido majirto, the fake Cagdheer and others have been shown the reality...that this is not 2006..and no Mareexaans have been disarmed or disrespected, even the Mooryaans. Infact the Islamists are begging them to join them and see the reality in Somalia.

Why the need to beat the drums of war???

[Murax]

Murax, ma suufi baad tahay?

Meya, suufi maihi alxamdurilah

. Laakin suffisim, is a devient sect just like the takfiri, suruuri, and other devient groups. So saying Muslim blood is not halal for another Muslim only in certain conditions makes Me a suffi, When I provided You the Hadith in Carbaciin Nawawi

Btw, I'm not discussing politics, hebel iyo hebel iyo waxaas, otherwise I would have taken part When Voltage first asked everybody for their thoughts. Shaqsi ahaan, I made My stance on these issues very clear, but I do not want to delve into them now during this blessed month. Lets see how the cookie crumbles.

[CoolPoisons]

Sheikh Warsame and Sheikh Murax

Mad_Dogg and sadegirl U make me vomit. damn hypcorites.

[Warsame101]

Murax, ina-adeer, one of the major pre-requisite of discussing Islaamic topics is that both opponents should at least have a solid grasp in the field or the science of the discussion topic. If one side cannot fulfill that criterion, it is pointless to throw Islaamic principles against them since they no clue what you are talking about.

Case in point, the pseudo-wadaads have commited injustice, principles have been cited and once we return, they will face their crimes by employing the qisaas where they will either be killed or pay blood money if requested by the family of the slain.

Their response: "Oh they are Muslims and Muslims is no capapble of commiting wrong".

Voltage, do not lie about me nor do you need to twist the facts.

#1, the clan alliance attacked the city when they first threw a grenade at one of our vehicles which resulted in to the death of 5 bystanders.

#2 Barre explicitly said in his latest interviews, he request that they return wherever they came from and that a peace-deal was underway with the clan-alliance.

#3 People who said the same thing, Xasan Dheere, Nuur Gaas, Aadan Sheekh Warfaa, Yuusuf Indhabuur, etc.


The hate that these kids have for Barre stems from subclan level. But don't worry, the individuals who still think in subclan levels will be rooted out shortly.

[sadeboi]

So saying Muslim blood is not halal for another Muslim only in certain conditions makes Me a suffi, When I provided You the Hadith in Carbaciin Nawawi

Ina adeer this is a big problem you have, without asking you just assume something. Where did I state such a thing?

If you would've asked you would've known that I just asked that, because dadka isku yeero "ahlus sunnah wal jaamacah," and the manhaj you say represents al-shabab, iltaxaad, and waa midke? Now, I seem to understand much more the exchange of words between you and koronto (kolombo), the right manhaj is the manhaj of the salaf walaal.


Voltage, exactly, they have different information thus we cannot even have a "debate" with them. Lakiin, warsame, he knows what happened, thou the belief that murax/qansa have is one that works for his interest.

Warsame, what hate have I shown for Barre? Waryaa, stop acting like a 14 year old girl, the only person oo cuqdad iyo waxaas meelahaan la socdo waa adiga.

[Voltage]

The hate that these kids have for Barre stems from subclan level. But don't worry, the individuals who still think in subclan levels will be rooted out shortly.

So by your own implication reer Siyaad hate Barre? If this is so, why do reer Siyaad hate Barre?

Don't turn around now because you laid the bomb.

My sub-clan=reer Siyaad

Your implication=there is beef between Barre and reer Siyaad.

Halkaas ka wad maanta wax baad tiriye

[Warsame101]

My point:

The hate that these kids have for Barre stems from subclan level.

Simplified:

The hate that these kids have for Barre stems from subclan (i.e. his subclan) level.

Your hate, not Reer Siyaad, not Reer Kooshin but your hate for Barre.

Shall I simplify all my aforementioned points lest you deliberately mis-interpret it?

[Murax]

Ikhwa, halkaan ha nugu ekaato, Inshallah.

Ilahay ha laga baqo, xaqqa ee bishi leedahayna hala xushmeeyo.

Wixi Ilahay rabo wey dhici doonaan.

[sadeboi]

Your hate, not Reer Siyaad, not Reer Kooshin but your hate for Barre.

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The hate that these kids have for Barre stems from subclan level.

Murax, if you can, gar baan qaba, ina dhex gal. Please, try to define what warsame is saying. Because he is lost, and he knows either way eed bu galley!

It can either be, we hate reer-koshin, reer-siyaad hate reer-koshin, or we hate reer-xasan koshin/warsame-guleed, or reer-siyaad hate. Eithier way, warsame, clearly state what you are trying to imply.

[Warsame101]

Let me take it further,

simplied = to make it simple for those who failed to comprehend.

sadeboi, sit at the bench whilst I engage your older brother. I have no time to simplify words for you.

[Voltage]

My point:

The hate that these kids have for Barre stems from subclan level.

Simplified:

The hate that these kids have for Barre stems from subclan (i.e. his subclan) level.

Your hate, not Reer Siyaad, not Reer Kooshin but your hate for Barre.

Shall I simplify all my aforementioned points lest you deliberately mis-interpret it?

Warsame wallahi man sometimes you amaze.

The last time I put your name and information down, you attacked me for trying to "run you out of Somalinet" and that I indulge in "exposing, suppositions, etc".

If you remember, I erased your information because I said I am not here to make anyone uncomfortable and told you the truth...which is that you have attempted to expose me much before I did and that you are father of suppositions".

Shib baad tiri, hada hala arko waxaan sheegey.

Waxa qaluubtayda ku jirto kama warqabtid so therefore do not turn around and attempt to turn the gun away from yourself by supposing what is in my heart.

If the implication I had derived from your comment is wrong, simply say so do not excuse it by trying to suppose what is in my heart.

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Sade iska daa ninkaan anagaa is haysanee.