Religion: Belief or Fact?

[FAH1223]

Telling me an illiterate man in 5th century Arabia, my dear prophet Muhammed (cs) came up with the trimester of the birth and the formation of the earth! These are the signs and more then enough on my part.

Voltage,

How many people have you seen gone astray during your first year in college?

[AbuShabab]

Sorry for ever calling you an Agent.

OK.

[Voltage]

Telling me an illiterate man in 5th century Arabia, my dear prophet Muhammed (cs) came up with the trimester of the birth and the formation of the earth! These are the signs and more then enough on my part.

Voltage,

How many people have you seen gone astray during your first year in college?

Few wallahi, maybe it is because our school has a very strong MSA and the fact that at every philosophy or those closes there is at least one outspoken Muslim. I remember during my philoshophy course, this Egyptian guy was considered a nuisance in class and in quiz section he continuously destroyed the T.A's attempts. I myself was in my first quarter and just trying to breeze through but this guy was prepared.

Finally the T.A just got fed and said "enough! I think it is time I mentioned we are dealing with Philosophy as it relates to "Judea-Christian heritage". Basically you cannot compete with Islam but the man-altered religions.

But the thing is I am not a Muslim now because I was "born" a Muslim or my parent's were a Muslim, I did my own bit of research just why exactly I am a Muslim and wallahi I came to my own decision to be a Muslim and to re-Shahada with this being my seal with Allah (swt). Nothing else makes sense wallahi and if you look at the circumstance and history of Islam, it IS heavenly and I truly see it and believe it! All the people who study it must see what I see also since it is the fastest growing religion in the globe.

The problem with people like Twisted and Paidmonk is that they were already ignorant to begin with and put up a barrier trying to educate themselves on Islam. For people who stress questioning and researching, why can't they do the same for Islam first?

[Captain24]

Voltage, That's exactly what I have told him. Good job for going extreme lengths showing the light to this kid

[FAH1223]

Few wallahi, maybe it is because our school has a very strong MSA and the fact that at every philosophy or those closes there is at least one outspoken Muslim. I remember during my philoshophy course, this Egyptian guy was considered a nuisance in class and in quiz section he continuously destroyed the T.A's attempts. I myself was in my first quarter and just trying to breeze through but this guy was prepared.

Finally the T.A just got fed and said "enough! I think it is time I mentioned we are dealing with Philosophy as it relates to "Judea-Christian heritage". Basically you cannot compete with Islam but the man-altered religions.

We got a strong MSA as well... but theres so many Muslims on campus that don't even know where the Musallah is to pray

Yeah, same here. I took Philosophy last fall, I wrote a paper talking about the "concept of evil" and I pretty much ripped the Professor in it...I got an A


I remember first day of class he made fun of Christianity, he had some madow chicks in tears

[AbuShabab]

So, it's philosophy that's putting doubt in Paidmonk's faith?

[FAH1223]

So, it's philosophy that's putting doubt in Paidmonk's faith?

No, its materialism, a system of thought that holds matter to be an absolute being and denies the existence of anything but matter. Having its roots in ancient Greece and gaining ever-increasing acceptance in the 19th century, this system of thought became famous in the shape of the dialectical materialism of Karl Marx. He thinks science can explain the "why".

Science merely gives us the "how".

He wants to see Allah swt, but he cannot even look at the sun.

[Voltage]

Lol @ materialism and the concept of absolute. How do we know we breathe in oxygen since we can't see it?

Anyways Paidmonk is a good kid and I honestly thing this will make him stronger. Pity he must be the only non-white red neck for thousands of kilometers away.

[FAH1223]

Lol @ materialism and the concept of absolute. How do we know we breathe in oxygen since we can't see it?

Anyways Paidmonk is a good kid and I honestly thing this will make him stronger. Pity he must be the only non-white red neck for thousands of kilometers away.

exactly

[Kolombo]

Paidmonk,

Some questions only lead one down a dangerous path. Learn your religion and improve your tawheed. Metaphysical talk when a person's tawheed is flimsy is suicidal.

[American-Suufi]

this dude must be an alcoholic. when he is drunk he is an athiest but when he is sober he is a jihadist. soon he will quit alcohol and become a takfiri salafi.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

According to the famous philosophical "Watchmaker" analogy (i think it was by Descartes), if you find a sophisticated watch in the middle of the desert and there's nobody around, it's absurd to assume that there isn't a sophisticated watchmaker who built that watch. The watch itself is proof of the existence of a watchmaker with the complexity to develop such a watch. I think everybody can agree that this earth is alot more complex than any watch.

As for why Islam is the truth (based on the above premise that there has to be a God), every other organized religion pales in comparison. There isn't one single thing that makes me believe in Islam with unwavering conviction....it's more of the cumulative effect of several things which leave Islam as the only viable option and sole religion that makes complete sense. Allah SWT will never reveal Himself to you, simply because he doesn't need to. Anybody sane person who does anything will do it for a reason...what would Allah SWT gain from any one of us believing in him? It doesn't add nor take anything away from Him...lakiin try holding your head under water for a few minutes and you'll realize just how helpless and in need we perpetually are, whether we take the time to truly notice it or not.

Finally, there are signs everywhere...read about the honeybee and their intricate system of communication (how they alert other bees from their colony as to the location of flowers holding pollen by doing the "Waggle Dance", a figure-8 dance which pinpoints an exact location by calculating it's proportional angle to the Sun, while amazingly taking the distance of the sun's rotation into consideration with their precise calculations so they factor in how far the sun will move in the amount of time it takes them to get to the flowers).....read about the ants and their elaborate structure of society (it's a scientific fact that they even take breaks from work and socialize with each other, SubxaanAllah)....read about the migration of bird's and their miraculous navigational abilities (in one experiment, a bird was captured in Wales and released in Boston 5 thousand miles away without any sense of where it was...the bird took a direct path across the ocean back to Wales and made it home in 12 days). Perhaps the most amazing and convincing of all is that there are 100,000,000,000,000 (100 Trillion) cells in the human body yet the most gifted minds in the world cannot even successfully make 1 human cell. Even more amazing is how the Qur'an makes a reference to these phenomena, among others, at a time far before any of these jaw-dropping discoveries were ever heard of. One of 3 things is possible: 1) Prophet Muhammad SAW guessed all of the information proved by modern science, 2) He had similarly-sophisticated equipment that we have in our modern times and used that to make these precise conclusions...and then he disposed of them before his death so none of his peers could expand upon them, or 3) The Qur'an is Divine in nature and could only be from One who has always known, even before we knew that He Knew. Allah SWT repeats over and over again in the Qur'an "Verily there are signs" and follows it with subtly profound statements like "for men of understanding" or "for those who reflect".

For real though, these "proof vs Faith" questions never lead anywhere beneficial and actually inadvertently put you on the precipice of Kufr. It might not be the answer you want to hear, but it's the answer you need to hear. To understand Allah SWT and the Nature of His Being is to be on par with Him, which no-one can ever be. The inability of our inherently limited minds to effectively grasp Allah SWT does not detract from His Greatness, it actually solidifies it.


The Waggle Dance:

[Aliyah99]

this dude must be an alcoholic. when he is drunk he is an athiest but when he is sober he is a jihadist. soon he will quit alcohol and become a takfiri salafi.

Or convert to Jehovahs Witness

[surrender]

haud flower read this hadith and keep it in our mind the next time you try to ask a question like this one. in fact many snetters need to learn this hadhith inc. me!!


On the authority of Jurthum bin Nashir that the messenger of Allah said :

"Allah the Almighty has laid down religious duties, so do not neglict them. He has set boundaries, so do not over step them. He has prohibited some things, so do not violate them; about some things He was silent-out of compassion for you, not forgetfulness, so seek not after them."

a fine hadith related by Al-Daraqutni and others.

[Digital-Infidelity]

According to the famous philosophical "Watchmaker" analogy (i think it was by Descartes), if you find a sophisticated watch in the middle of the desert and there's nobody around, it's absurd to assume that there isn't a sophisticated watchmaker who built that watch. The watch itself is proof of the existence of a watchmaker with the complexity to develop such a watch. I think everybody can agree that this earth is alot more complex than any watch.

It was actually William Paley who used the watch analogy. People like David Hume argue that, " we have seen people making and designing watches, so we know that they were made and designed by intelligent beings. But we have never seen eyes being designed and made, so we cannot say that they were produced in precisely the same way that watches were produced." Also, another note, Descartes was a bastard in my view, he could go to great lengths talking about the importance of a sound scientific analysis but then take the short cut when it comes to religion simply because he didn't want to be prosecuted by the Catholic Church. He wrote On Method shortly after Galileo was detained for his un-Christian views. so essential Descartes traded his views for acceptance in his society. Which makes him a below average thinker in my book.