Operation keep Somalia in Anarchy.

[AbuShabab]

I was reading in the newspaper today that a woman was killed in Afghanistan - she was shot dead in front of school children. They thought she was conducting missionary activities, but she was a British aid worker.

Of course, those conducting missionary activities in Afghanistan (or Muslim countries) wouldn't openly advertise their activities; they would pose as aid workers. This British aid worker shouldn't have risked her life in a country where Islamists are fighting to liberate their occupied country. She gambled with her life and as a result lost it.

[MzBeautiful]

Let's not be naive and believe they are all "AID WORKERS" reports state that school children were given gifts with Christian emblems alongside charitable aid..The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan in Mogadishu says the demonstrators condemned the gifts handed out by Christian aid agencies, which included Bibles, toys, books, pens and crucifixes. These are Christian missionaries working under the cloak of aid workers. The gifts were given to our children without our choice," Sheikh Nuur Baaruut, the chairman of the Muslim council.It is dishonest, however, for anyone to act like an aid worker if their real agenda is to be a missionary and convert people to a different religion.

[American-Suufi]

Let's not be naive and believe they are all "AID WORKERS" reports state that school children were given gifts with Christian emblems alongside charitable aid..The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan in Mogadishu says the demonstrators condemned the gifts handed out by Christian aid agencies, which included Bibles, toys, books, pens and crucifixes. These are Christian missionaries working under the cloak of aid workers. The gifts were given to our children without our choice," Sheikh Nuur Baaruut, the chairman of the Muslim council.It is dishonest, however, for anyone to act like an aid worker if their real agenda is to be a missionary and convert people to a different religion.

you, me, him, she and all of us here escaped somalia came all the way and brought up in christian countries with christian welfare, did we become christians? no. we mostly became better muslims. why don't you want somalis in somalia to be helped by christian charities if there are non-muslim charities willing to help them? hyposcrism or ignorance?
qadar says allah swt only knows where we all end up. it is written and sealed. worry about your beliefs and 3ibada.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Actually most foreign aid workers left the country. It's only Somali agents and workers left with the responsibility of the challenging field work of distributing and administering the food and medicine that our displaced population need daily. Yet, these same people are targetted and killed systematically. SAD indeed.

[AbuShabab]

It is dishonest, however, for anyone to act like an aid worker if their real agenda is to be a missionary and convert people to a different religion.

There's no other way for Christian missionaries except to act as aid workers.

Actually most foreign aid workers left the country. It's only Somali agents and workers left with the responsibility of the challenging field work of distributing and administering the food and medicine that our displaced population need daily. Yet, these same people are targetted and killed systematically. SAD indeed.

Whay did the West ban Muslim aid charities/organizations from operating in Somalia? The West accused Muslim aid charities/organizations previously operating in Somalia of terrorism and banned them. Those Muslim aid charities/organizations used to provide Somalis far better aid than Christian aid charities/organizations.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Shabaab, I know of Not for Profit Organizations that are directly funded by Saudi Arabia in Bosaaso and Hargeisa. For instance, Al Manhal Al Islami whose mission statement is to help the educational standards and needs of post-civil war communities, has opened up High Schools in all the major cities in Central and Northern Somalia. They have opened their first University, TADAMUN University in Bosaso.

[AbuShabab]

Shabaab, I know of Not for Profit Organizations that are directly funded by Saudi Arabia in Bosaaso and Hargeisa. For instance, Al Manhal Al Islami whose mission statement is to help the educational standards and needs of post-civil communities, has opened up High Schools in all the major cities in Central and Northern Somalia. They have opened their first University, TADAMUN University in Bosaso.

I wasn't talking about Puntland or Somaliland. It's well known that Muslim aid charities/organizations have been banned by the West from operating in Xamar and the South. Those Muslim aid charities/organizations used to provide food, shelter, doctors, education, etc. They used to care for the poor and orphans. The fact of the matter is, Somalis do not need Christian aid charities/organizations.

[American-Suufi]

It is dishonest, however, for anyone to act like an aid worker if their real agenda is to be a missionary and convert people to a different religion.

There's no other way for Christian missionaries except to act as aid workers.

Actually most foreign aid workers left the country. It's only Somali agents and workers left with the responsibility of the challenging field work of distributing and administering the food and medicine that our displaced population need daily. Yet, these same people are targetted and killed systematically. SAD indeed.

Whay did the West ban Muslim aid charities/organizations from operating in Somalia? The West accused Muslim aid charities/organizations previously operating in Somalia of terrorism and banned them. Those Muslim aid charities/organizations used to provide Somalis far better aid than Christian aid charities/organizations.

why do u live in canada for over 30 years?

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

Ahmed-Gurey, I think we should have no permanent Capital, and every few decades we should move to a new city, so whenever the government moves, they could create Jobs for the people, and overall develop the host Capital City. What do you think? Is it plausible?


Firefly, I see what you mean sis

Qansa, Do you have proof that this is an inside job by other Aid workers?

By the by, I'm 100% against those who use food for religion, that is disgusting, disgraceful and deplorable.


WaSalam to all

[AbuShabab]

By the by, I'm 100% against those who use food for religion, that is disgusting, disgraceful and deplorable.

That's what Christian aid charities/organizations do to Muslims. They don't even help poor, distressed and afflicted Christians who need and require help, like in Congo where about 50,000 Christians die every month.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Ahmed-Gurey, I think we should have no permanent Capital, and every few decades we should move to a new city, so whenever the government moves, they could create Jobs for the people, and overall develop the host Capital City. What do you think? Is it plausible?
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I think it's good to be a place where the capital can be safe from foreign attacks or invasion. Mogadishu's location is precarious in terms of national defense.

Speaking of jobs and developments, why not we create counties and small decentralized administrations with their own budgets and Council of elected members with a mandate of 2-4 years They should be able to set rules for earmarking projects and managing them through sub-committees and etc.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Shabaab, If I understood your point correctly, you are saying because of the ban of Islamic aid charities/organizations, these deliberate targets of UN aidworkers is a direct result of grievances. "Why are you letting Christian aid charities operate in Somalia and ban Islamic Charities" It seems to be a legitimate question/grievance that needs to be addressed.

John Holmes, UN's humanitarian chief, on BBC today, seems to agree that they are "Perceived as foreigners, christians or interfering with security agenda"



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[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

Ahmed-Gurey, I think we should have no permanent Capital, and every few decades we should move to a new city, so whenever the government moves, they could create Jobs for the people, and overall develop the host Capital City. What do you think? Is it plausible?
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I think it's good to be a place where the capital can be safe from foreign attacks or invasion. Mogadishu's location is precarious in terms of national defense.

Speaking of jobs and developments, why not we create counties and small decentralized administrations with their own budgets and Council of elected members with a mandate of 2-4 years They should be able to set rules for earmarking projects and managing them through sub-committees and etc.

I once did think decentralisation was the way for Somalia, but I'm not too sure. The problem with counties and such is that we assume all Somalis are living among their Qabiil in a specific location/area, but this is not really the case, sometimes certain clans are a minority in an area where another Clan is a majority. In that case they need to be protected from the majority that can become tyrannical. As you are aware decentralisation is usually espoused for those who divide among the religious lines, ethnicity, tribe etc. In the case of Somalis it would be tribe/Clan, but what will decentralisation do for the minority in a City where the majority are from another clan? Surely, if we did elect members the most of the elected would be from the among the majority clan? I also think 2-4 years is a short time, unless of course they could be re-elected. People can tell if their local governments are trying to do something in 2-4 years, however I don't believe any major work can be covered in such short period, and too many changes cause problems as the new elected members might not agree with some of the things the pervious ones were doing.

I'm not too sure about Mogadishu been precarious in terms of national defence; I always knew that to be an Island is very advantageous in military perspective. I assumed to have coast is also advantageous militarily.

What do you think?

Salam

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Warsan-star, you right the assumption is very wrong, but I do think it should be used as a stop-gap measure for the current crisis. The decentralization proposal should be a thing to be phased out.

Asalaamu Caleykum my Sister in Islam.

[AbuShabab]

Shabaab, If I understood your point correctly, you are saying because of the ban of Islamic aid charities/organizations, these deliberate targets of UN aidworkers is a direct result of grievances. "Why are you letting Christian aid charities operate in Somalia and ban Islamic Charities" It seems to be a legitimate question/grievance that needs to be addressed.

That could be another way to say it. But, I'm specifically saying the Islamic aid charities/organizations were banned to make way for Christian aid charities/organizations. I'm sure you know it isn't difficult to comprehend there are hundreds of Islamic aid charities/organizations and thousands of volunteer Muslims who are ready to gladly help their fellow Muslim brothers/sisters in Somalia.