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I knew you were going to put up that link. I don't need to read anything any "Wahabis" are spreading. I rely on authentic Islamic texts and that is more than enough for me.Grant wrote:Read the history, not the revision the Wahaabbiis are peddling.
Thats a horrible example. Gaalada just hate that we have it all together.Madd_Scientist_ wrote:Let's take one example, polygamy; some Muslim men abuse the right, they don't have the means to support one wife yet they still marry 2 or even 4 at once. I'm sure you've heard about the man who claimed he was muslims yet had 86 or however many wives it was. It's things like these which come up in media, some people are very ignorant and don't know anything about our religion so they believe what's on the TV or in the newspapers. Had the Muslims followed our religion as it is, none of this would've happened.
It doesn't affect Islam as a religion obviously, but it gives a bad picture of us as muslims when we're not living by the rules. As for the reverts ilaahay baa soo hanuuniyay.
Shirib wrote:Thats a horrible example. Gaalada just hate that we have it all together.Madd_Scientist_ wrote:Let's take one example, polygamy; some Muslim men abuse the right, they don't have the means to support one wife yet they still marry 2 or even 4 at once. I'm sure you've heard about the man who claimed he was muslims yet had 86 or however many wives it was. It's things like these which come up in media, some people are very ignorant and don't know anything about our religion so they believe what's on the TV or in the newspapers. Had the Muslims followed our religion as it is, none of this would've happened.
It doesn't affect Islam as a religion obviously, but it gives a bad picture of us as muslims when we're not living by the rules. As for the reverts ilaahay baa soo hanuuniyay.
If u cheat on ur wife to them its like wow shit happens, people got mistresses but if u have second wife they are all up in arms.
Gaalada try to portray Islam as evil all together. If a Muslim does something, Islam goes on trial thats not the same for any other religion.
Here is what u are not getting, of what I am trying to say.Madd_Scientist_ wrote:what i don't even understand is why you're even comparing gaalo to muslims, you keep justifying your comments with "gaalo do worse thing"- of course they would waa gaalo.
gaalo want to see us Muslims in the worst state possible, that's not what i'm disputing- but what i'm trying to say is that Islam is not helped by having so called Muslims doing exactly the opposite of what our religion tells us to do. Unfortunately, some muslims give the rest of the truly godfearing muslims problems because of their actions. I'm talking about the 7/7 and other suicide bombings. Don't blame everything on the gaalo, when we ourselves are to blame.
Shirib wrote:Here is what u are not getting, of what I am trying to say.Madd_Scientist_ wrote:what i don't even understand is why you're even comparing gaalo to muslims, you keep justifying your comments with "gaalo do worse thing"- of course they would waa gaalo.
gaalo want to see us Muslims in the worst state possible, that's not what i'm disputing- but what i'm trying to say is that Islam is not helped by having so called Muslims doing exactly the opposite of what our religion tells us to do. Unfortunately, some muslims give the rest of the truly godfearing muslims problems because of their actions. I'm talking about the 7/7 and other suicide bombings. Don't blame everything on the gaalo, when we ourselves are to blame.
Why is the religion being put on trial for those actions?
Hitler used the bible to justify what he was doing, do u hear Christianity ever being blamed?
In America Christians used the bible to justify slavery, do u ever see Christianity blamed?
Yea Muslims do bad things, but why is it that only Islam is put on trial, Madd Sci?
A Muslim man can kill his wife and the news article will say Muslim man kills his wife, a Christian/Jewish/Budhist/Hindu etc. guy does the same and it just says Man kills his wife. Why?
Exactly saaxib! Some of us here are complaining about some Muslims giving the religion a bad name. WTF!But, the point is, we shouldn't care about what gaalos think about us.
No muslim represents the religion any more than the next one and for anyone to judge Islam by the actions of one person, they have to be either extremely ignorant or they must have an agenda and anyone who cares about the opinions of such people needs to examine their faith.biko, I think it's very ambitious of gaalos to expect Muslims abandoning Islam altogether. I don't think that's what they are seeking, 'cause it's impossible. I think their goal is for Muslims to stop doing what they are unhappy about (i.e. stoning, chopping off hands/heads, flogging, hijab, polygamy, marrying teenagers, growing beards, etc). They would be happy, mind you, if we all become Sufi.Kukri wrote:"So, to show gratitude and thank gaalos for all their 'help' and kindness, should Muslims abandon what gaalos consider 'barbaric' and 'backward' about Islam?"
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Abandoning Islam all together would be more beneficial than to edite the Qur'an.
Good point.QansaGabeyle wrote:Exactly saaxib! Some of us here are complaining about some Muslims giving the religion a bad name. WTF!But, the point is, we shouldn't care about what gaalos think about us.
as-Salamu'alaykumnambarA wrote:Gaalos are unhappy with many parts of Islam. For example, they are unhappy with stoning an adulterer, flogging a fornicator, chopping off the hand of a thief, chopping off the head of a rapist, etc. They consider those punishments 'barbaric', unfit for this advanced and modern era. They are also unhappy with polygamy, hijab, etc. As we know, gaalos 'help' Muslims. For instance, a generation of Muslims grew up from childhood to adulthood with welfare, generous money from gaalos. Also, gaalo aid workers help Muslims in wartorn countries. So, to show gratitude and thank gaalos for all their 'help' and kindness, should Muslims abandon what gaalos consider 'barbaric' and 'backward' about Islam?
muslim0-1 wrote:as-Salamu'alaykumnambarA wrote:Gaalos are unhappy with many parts of Islam. For example, they are unhappy with stoning an adulterer, flogging a fornicator, chopping off the hand of a thief, chopping off the head of a rapist, etc. They consider those punishments 'barbaric', unfit for this advanced and modern era. They are also unhappy with polygamy, hijab, etc. As we know, gaalos 'help' Muslims. For instance, a generation of Muslims grew up from childhood to adulthood with welfare, generous money from gaalos. Also, gaalo aid workers help Muslims in wartorn countries. So, to show gratitude and thank gaalos for all their 'help' and kindness, should Muslims abandon what gaalos consider 'barbaric' and 'backward' about Islam?
Whatever the non-Muslims do for the Muslims, we thank them for it. In times of war and hardships like back home today, we have many non-Muslim aid workers helping the Somali people. We show gratitude for this, since the Prophet sallahu alayhi wa salam said something along the lines : 'the one who does not thank the people, does not thank Allah'. Laakinse, Muslims should never wish to impress non-Muslims, especially if it will lead us to comprise our beliefs so that they may accept us. They have their religion, and we have ours. There are many who constantly mock the religion of Allah, thats fine - since this is their behavior, and Allah foretold us 1400 years in the quran that the Jews and Christians will never be pleased with us, until we follow their religion/way.
Allah Ta'ala said:
'Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion....' [Surah al-Baqarah 2:120]
