Why Somaliland will remain in current State of Udub

[MrPrestige]

HJ not only vacated the seat for Tuur but its their vote that put him in the seat, and egal not only did they vote for him but brought harti, cisse and gadabuursi on board and they made sure also no HJ politician challenges him

^ As far as I know it was only after the habar wars Samaroon was moved to participate in the society.
The Jibril Abokr section of Calan Cas division was the ones engaging with Ciise in northwest Awdal only after the civil war ended and to this day control the customs of the sleepy town of Saylac.
So you could say HA integrated the Dir into SL not HJ...in fact its you guys who are worrying the nonIsaaqs because you see the presidency as a hagbad between Isaaqs, just ask any nonIsaaq a marehan in the south and Majeerteen in north would say the same thing as an Abgaal in central and Biyomaal in coastal region.
Habar Jeclo is the xayraan , Habar Yonis is regarded differently.

No regarding the Harti , you guys only cooperate with them to stop Habar Yonis in Sanaag.
Just like your Habar Jeclo used to make qaran dhismo hard for Tuur (aun) remember that Siilaanyo was thrown out of the leadership because of his incompetence and qabiilism not to ' give ' space for HY, thats not how this organization worked you should know better.

The only society in which Riyale is acceptable is the standardless

Priceless indeed we'll get there ina adeer just wait and see there is no doubt in my mind both Ahmed Yaasin and Riyaale are unqualified for their posts.

horta why does habar jeclo side with hartis all the time when they see habar yonis dominance

[laander8]

duceysane enough niic saaxib , lets have a productive debbate.
If you still haven't got it I'll say it one more time

Its not Habar Yonis who is HJ obsticle they are the key and solution
If they are the key then who is the problem?

If HJ does not want to see the problem
then play on two horses officially nothing wrong with that is it?

[MrPrestige]

duceysane enough niic saaxib , lets have a productive debbate.
If you still haven't got it I'll say it one more time

Its not Habar Yonis who is HJ obsticle they are the key and solution
If they are the key then who is the problem?

that only leaves 1 problem its habar awal then but if habar jeclo want to play a blind game then thats their problem they puting themself in a big debt

[Goljano Lion]

duceysane enough niic saaxib , lets have a productive debbate.
If you still haven't got it I'll say it one more time

Its not Habar Yonis who is HJ obsticle they are the key and solution
If they are the key then who is the problem?

If HJ does not want to see the problem
then play on two horses officially nothing wrong with that is it?

i think Garxajis are confused and lost,e the question is very simply, either you support Sii-laanyo or Riyaal, you cant say we have nothing against Siilaanyo then support Riyaale, Laander you are contradicting your own point of view

[guryasame]

Laander:
The gadabuursi-awal alliance was created by Egal and its really cisse musse-gadabuursi alliance, the alliance was inherited by riyale, the gadabursi is the senior party and Riyale is the main beneficiary. There was never awal-gadabuursi alliance b4 egal, awal did not integrate gadabuursi or create. The necessary votes for egal, sacad musse had to be convinced against cumar carte. What does hawiye, mj or marexaan know about hj ask them about italian mafiosa, if u want to know about hj ask the cisse, gadabuursi, dhulos, warsangeli idoor confederacy etc., the non-isaq who are at a who are disadvantaged by their size prefer HJ any day to anyone other themselves, the garxajis prefer the devil to HJ, the rest of isaq despite internal political rivalry are not completely blindsighted by it.
Btw, the presidency is not hagbad its open to any clan including HJ, perhaps u mistook the opposition to riyale as clan prejudice or supremacy. Sxb riyale's past is a disgrace and so is his present, he abuses and injurs the people today as he did in the past, its simple. Bring me a good, just leader, with a deep abiding love for his people and I could care less about his clan. What riyale was well known and if u were blind b4 you certainly have seen the past 6 years, so what is this argument about.

One more point, why is it either habar awal or garxajis? For garxajis to be the solution awal must be the problem can not be treated as a serious proposal or necessarily,honest and well intioned one.